Titan owners and GTX 780

[Grooveriding]

I agree nvidia played it canny on the Titan. They knew there were buyers who were waiting on the big die kepler card and had been since seeing the weak GK104. Put out an ultra expensive uber GK110 and grab the sales to people who had the cash and wanted the card now, then a few months later put out the 780 for a few hundred less. Use the same desire for GK110 that was built with Titan to fuel more sales of 780 to those who weren't up for $1000 but would find $650 to look a lot better in the light of the Titan price. :awe:

You still have the fastest card, just not by as much of a margin as there was in the past between the top card and second down.

 

[rgallant]

it still has to be the biggest sand bag in gpu history by $350.00 by nv AND partners ,they could have priced the titan @ $850-900 knowing they were releasing the 780 at $350 less ,gtx680 =400ish
-having after market gtx780's ready at the same time and selling titans at 1k won't trust evga again ever and I did not spend a $,they would of have had these on the pallets for a long time and no leaks .

edit at least evga should have given a gtx 670 with every titan buy [for physx] . hadn't really pissed me off but the lack of out rage has me wondering if the reviewers[pd?] high 5 have the sheep confused.

 

[tential]

it still has to be the biggest sand bag in gpu history by $350.00 by nv AND partners ,they could have priced the titan @ $850-900 knowing they were releasing the 780 at $350 less ,gtx680 =400ish
-having after market gtx780's ready at the same time and selling titans at 1k won't trust evga again ever and I did not spend a $,they would of have had these on the pallets for a long time and no leaks .

edit at least evga should have given a gtx 670 with every titan buy [for physx] . hadn't really pissed me off but the lack of out rage has me wondering if the reviewers[pd?] high 5 have the sheep confused.

I don't think the Titan would have been as popular at the 850-900 range. Something about 1,000 flat makes great headlines and news. Like has been said multiple times though, everyone knew approximately when the GTX 700 series was coming it. It wasn't a surprise or anything. Purchasing Titan, at 1k, when no reviewer said that was a good price to performance ratio, should have been a signal to people that it was a novelty product. I really don't feel bad. You paid to have it early. I would have paid too if gaming/tech was as important to me as many people here.

 

[UaVaj]

going price on ebay for lightly used titan is now ~$850 shipped (~$715 after fees and shipping). ouch!

might just have to get a pair at that price.

 

[Lepton87]

going price on ebay for lightly used titan is now ~$850 shipped (~$715 after fees and shipping). ouch!

might just have to get a pair at that price.

That only validates my sentiment about this.

ps. no one knew GTX780 would be this cheap, people were expecting a price that wouldn't make titan look silly, like 750$ in the least. It wasn't even clear it would be based on GK110, there were rumors it would be a refreshed GK104. Hindsight is always 20/20

I don't think the Titan would have been as popular at the 850-900 range.(..)

Sure, your favorite company can do no wrong to its users and they even make cards more popular by increasing prices(!!!)

 

[3DVagabond]

The general consensus was that Titan was over priced. The people who bought it (correct me if I'm wrong) didn't care and paid the price because it was the fastest single GPU card available. People who were vocal about Titan pricing were told they were jealous. Or that they were only complaining because they couldn't afford it. They had no right to tell other people how to spend their money. Etc...

I'm astonished at the people who feel ripped off and their answer is to sell the Titan at a loss, and then buy the 780. I'm sure nVidia will really hate you guys doing that.

Anyway, it's still the same card it was 2 months ago. It's still the fastest and it still has 1/3dp (The other reason people cited for making it worth $1K).

Hopefully the 770 will be cheaper than the 680, at least. If not, I can't wait to see the reasons people give to defend it.

 

[UaVaj]

That only validates my sentiment about this.

ps. no one knew GTX780 would be this cheap, people were expecting a price that wouldn't make titan look silly, like 750$ in the least. It wasn't even clear it would be based on GK110, there were rumors it would be a refreshed GK104. Hindsight is always 20/20

Sure, your favorite company can do no wrong to its users and they even make cards more popular by increasing prices(!!!)

given there was absolutly no competition for 780. not sure why nvidia did not follow titan's pricing and price the 780 at $850. my guess is that nvidia's marketing dept strategize that most if not all of the top 1-3% buyers have already bought titan. that same money spending 1-3% will not buy the 780 at $850 only to dump titan.

so instead they follow 680's pricing instead. pricing 780 inline with 680. that will get on the fence titan buyers and current 680 owners (like myself and others) itching to upgrade. since the 780 is that slightly more expensive. 680 will also hold their value. that way nvidia can continue to sell 680 at launch price.

nvidia STRATEGICALLY hit the nail on the head with this one. a win win win for nvidia. the only semi-loser are the titan owners. semi becuase they still own the fastest single gpu with 6gb vram. that in its own is a premium.

gotta love capitalism at its best!

 

[JayManB]

The general consensus was that Titan was over priced. The people who bought it (correct me if I'm wrong) didn't care and paid the price because it was the fastest single GPU card available. People who were vocal about Titan pricing were told they were jealous. Or that they were only complaining because they couldn't afford it. They had no right to tell other people how to spend their money. Etc...

I'm astonished at the people who feel ripped off and their answer is to sell the Titan at a loss, and then buy the 780. I'm sure nVidia will really hate you guys doing that.

Anyway, it's still the same card it was 2 months ago. It's still the fastest and it still has 1/3dp (The other reason people cited for making it worth $1K).

Hopefully the 770 will be cheaper than the 680, at least. If not, I can't wait to see the reasons people give to defend it.

Just because I can afford it does not mean I appreciate being ripped off.

NV should have at least let people know they were going to refresh the 680 in June. A lot of people did not expect any new cards until the Fall. That is why I paid their outrageous price.

Then for them to come out and say they were surprised that Titan outsold the 690 is a complete laugh. They would not have been saying that if they would have given any clue they were gonna release a card in June that would make the Titan and a lot of people who bought it seem silly.

They had to have had these things made an already to go why people were dropping an extra 350 for practically the same thing.

I just hope they enjoy the short term gain for the loss of mindshare from some of their most high end customers.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Glad I'm in the loop for a platform upgrade rather than a GPU upgrade.

EDIT: :hmm: ...I wonder why they released the GTX 780 first instead of the GTX 770 which will probably be close in performance :hmm:

 

[3DVagabond]

Just because I can afford it does not mean I appreciate being ripped off.

NV should have at least let people know they were going to refresh the 680 in June. A lot of people did not expect any new cards until the Fall. That is why I paid their outrageous price.

Then for them to come out and say they were surprised that Titan outsold the 690 is a complete laugh. They would not have been saying that if they would have given any clue they were gonna release a card in June that would make the Titan and a lot of people who bought it seem silly.

They had to have had these things made an already to go why people were dropping an extra 350 for practically the same thing.

I just hope they enjoy the short term gain for the loss of mindshare from some of their most high end customers.

The other side of the coin is, "Just because I didn't buy it, doesn't mean that I can't afford it." People who voiced objection to the price were told that though.

 

[wand3r3r]

Glad I'm in the loop for a platform upgrade rather than a GPU upgrade.

EDIT: :hmm: ...I wonder why they released the GTX 780 first instead of the GTX 770 which will probably be close in performance :hmm:

The 780 is around 20-25% faster than the 680 (isn't it?).

The 770 is rumored as 5% more clocks, and the memory rumors vary but perhaps up to 15% faster memory. That only suggests a ~5-10% improvement which puts it just around the 7970G, perhaps just 'slightly' faster by average. There's still a decent gap between 770 and 780.

They are dropping them from the top down to encourage people to try part with extra $. Impulse buyers etc.

About the titan drop, I'm glad they already invalidated their own price gouging on the titan. The only reason is the DP for the market that needs that, however small. I can't imagine many gamers dropping $350 more for hardly anything. (Even though $550 was only for 30% more performance)

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I paid $260 for my 7950 and overclocked it to be faster than a 7970ghz. So that's a $740 price premium for the titan for like 25% more performance. Geez.

 

[JayManB]

The other side of the coin is, "Just because I didn't buy it, doesn't mean that I can't afford it." People who voiced objection to the price were told that though.

I agree. You should not assume just because somebody doesn't agree with the price that they can't afford it.

The fact is NV pulled a fast one.

All the people who say they would have still bought them for the compute power or the need for the extra 3GB. NV would have still got the sale from them. But for many gamers they would have surely waited for the 780.

I can't believe I defended NV when everyone was going crazy over the throttle issues. Now I have to flash my card with an unofficial bios just to match the performance out of be box of some of the 780s.

Oh well live and learn. I no longer trust NV or their board partners.

 

[2is]

The other side of the coin is, "Just because I didn't buy it, doesn't mean that I can't afford it." People who voiced objection to the price were told that though.

Agreed, its also not like people who bought it didn't know it was a ripoff. Heck, even if we "ignore" all the 700 series rumors it was still very obviously a ripoff. It's like dating an extremely hot chic you know is going to be the biggest bitch, but you take the hit because she's extremely hot. Then getting upset when your friend starts dating a girl that's 90% as hot but nowhere near as high maintenance.

 

[Lepton87]

They had to have had these things made an already to go why people were dropping an extra 350 for practically the same thing.

I just hope they enjoy the short term gain for the loss of mindshare from some of their most high end customers.

Of course they had those cards already, if they launched those cards simultaneously they would earn more money from me then they had in the long term. I won't buy an expensive NV card ever again, it's terrible for a company to render their card an absolute rip-off(the card was already a rip-off) in just two months. They still would have sold titans, obviously not as much but still. For people who need FP64 CUDA performance, GTX780 would be useless, also some rich gamers would've bought it for Three-SLI because the price difference would be nothing to* them. Taking an extra 350$ from me won't do them any good in the long term, that's for sure. Sadly there are very few people who think like that, so they will probably continue with such a strategy, at the very least people will now that their big chips will find its way into consumer cards not priced sky-high.
ps. Where can I download the bios which unlocks power target? 106% is too little.
ps.1 What's the correct preposition in that sentence for or to? I know it's a technology forum but there's a lot of native English speakers.

 

[Fx1]

Looks like i was right all along about Titan.

Ill accept the apologies by PM from the people concerned.

You know who you are.

HAHA

 

[Lonbjerg]

Looks like i was right all along about Titan.

Ill accept the apologies by PM from the people concerned.

You know who you are.

HAHA

Looks like you are just as wrong...

HAHAHAHAHA...

 

[Grooveriding]

Of course they had those cards already, if they launched those cards simultaneously they would earn more money from me then they had in the long term. I won't buy an expensive NV card ever again, it's terrible for a company to render their card an absolute rip-off(the card was already a rip-off) in just two months. They still would have sold titans, obviously not as much but still. For people who need FP64 CUDA performance, GTX780 would be useless, also some rich gamers would've bought it for Three-SLI because the price difference would be nothing to* them. Taking an extra 350$ from me won't do them any good in the long term, that's for sure. Sadly there are very few people who think like that, so they will probably continue with such a strategy, at the very least people will now that their big chips will find its way into consumer cards not priced sky-high.
ps. Where can I download the bios which unlocks power target? 106% is too little.
ps.1 What's the correct preposition in that sentence for or to? I know it's a technology forum but there's a lot of native English speakers.

http://forum.techinferno.com/nvidia...d-vbios-more-control-better-overclocking.html

Using the second BIOS from that link allowed me to run both my Titans over 1200Mhz and 3500Mhz memory stable in everything I tested. It lets you fine tune your voltages. I recommend not using EVGA precision or afterburner to overclock, just use them for monitoring. Create nvidiainspector shortcut profiles for your overclocks as recommended in that thread.

That BIOS lets you get everything you can from the cards. I still use the stock BIOS though as the extra oomph is not worth the hassle of running the cards modded imo. Another 100mhz core clock or more memory speed is not a deal-breaker when the only game that goes under 60FPS is Metro LL. :awe:

 

[Lepton87]

Thanks. A single Titan is unfortunately not enough to drive a 2560 display comfortably with all details turned up. I don't care about voiding the warranty because I probably don't have it. After examining the card it's clear that it's been used, screwing it to the case left slight marks, so I wanted to return it, which is a requirement made by law in Poland. In 10 days you can return everything provided it looks like new. The guy I bought it from made it look like like I was buying from B&R shop that also does mail-order sale. He refused, I have enough hassle with lawyers and courts as it is so I let it go, lesson learned, it's better to pay 7% more and buy from a shop that is 100% reputable. It rattles at P8 performance level, at first clocking the memory up took care of that issue but it no longer works, it stops rattling at P5 but I can't make it run at that performance level in Windows
ps. Does NV accept direct RMAs from consumers or is it region dependent?

 

[Lepton87]

I just checked prices of a GTX780 in my country, a Titan costs 4000PLN and a GTX780 costs 2500PLN. Sure I shouldn't be upset at all. Those cards perform the same in practice.

 

[Lonbjerg]

I just checked prices of a GTX780 in my country, a Titan costs 4000PLN and a GTX780 costs 2500PLN. Sure I shouldn't be upset at all. Those cards perform the same in practice.

I am a Titan owner with an opposing view.
Don't pretend to speak for all of us.

 

[2is]

You should be upset... At yourself for ignoring the obvious which apparently, no one else missed. Those being...

1) $1000 was way over priced considering the performance (even Titan owners recognize this, and did so at the time of their purchase)
2) better value cards were bound to be released.

You can keep crying over spilt milk, won't change anything and I doubt nVidia is going to read this thread and offer you a rebate for buying a card no one forced you to buy.

Seriously, this level of accountability (or lack there of) is not unlike suing McDonald's for serving you hot coffee.

 

[Lepton87]

I am a Titan owner with an opposing view.
Don't pretend to speak for all of us.

You obviously have problems with reading comprehension.

You should be upset... At yourself for ignoring the obvious which apparently, no one else missed. Those being...

1) $1000 was way over priced considering the performance (even Titan owners recognize this, and did so at the time of their purchase)
2) better value cards were bound to be released.

You can keep crying over spilt milk, won't change anything and I doubt nVidia is going to read this thread and offer you a rebate for buying a card no one forced you to buy.

Seriously, this level of accountability (or lack there of) is not unlike suing McDonald's for serving you hot coffee.

There was no confirmation that another card based on GK110 will be released for the consumer market. And if it would most people thought it would be priced it the 850$ range, so it wouldn't make their card released just two months ago silly. I don't want a rebate, I don't know why people keep saying this BS. They just won't get my money again. They just did what they could to maximize profits, that's all. I'm never going to buy an expensive NV card again. Releasing a fast card only to release a card that is just as fast two months later and that is cheaper by 60%, maybe it's fine for you, but you don't have a Titan so that's just theoretical for you, it's different to actually lose that much money then to only debate about it. A lot a Titan owners are selling their cards if you didn't notice. I don't know why people feel the need to defend their beloved company that can do no wrong.
ps. You didn't contribute anything with your post, everything was already said, even by ME. That is not to say that I can't be upset how NV handled that situation.

 

[2is]

You obviously have problems with reading comprehension.

And you obviously have a problem with not taking responsibility for your own actions.

 

[Lepton87]

And you obviously have a problem with not taking responsibility for your own actions.

Another person who can't read.

This is from my OP

even if NV couldn't do that it would be a lot more fair if GTX780 was at least announced but basically I feel that 99% of the blame is on me for not thinking about a slightly more cut-down GK110 at a significantly lower price point coming just a while later

I know NV, I know it's a shady company, I should have known that they are going to do what they did. All of that was said already, why do you keep repeating it like some kind of mantra? It's pointless. The thread is about Titan's owners and how they feel about it, obviously I'm in the minority the rest justify their purchase anyway they can. NV has a terrific marketing. What's funny is that there was an uproar when AMD released 7970 for 550$ Double standards.