Titan X Launch

[tviceman]

The chip itself is amazing for what it is. That said, 33% over 980 is disappointing. Overclocking needs to be a redeeming feature. $1,000 is a really bad joke. I really hope Fiji is straight up faster across the board at 1440p and 4k, overclocks well, comes in way cheaper, and has similar efficiency so Nvidia can't clutch onto perf/w as being the end all metric.

 

[lavaheadache]

So this is the 980Ti, not a Titan? Got it.

DP sounded unlikely from the start, and this is a marketing card only IMHO and has diluted the 'Titan' brand. This is a GTX card, not a prosumer option.

no... I'm willing to bet that a 980ti will be a harvested chip from this core

 

[tviceman]

A pure gaming card is surprising to see. $450 over the next fastest card is quite the premium... but I guess some people will get the best of the best regardless of price. 290, 290X, and 970 exist for those who don't throw money at their computer.

And although that Titan X review is down, shame on Anandtech if they did indeed use a reference 290X. It's so misleading due to that throttling and, factually, almost no one buys reference any more.

Anand's review used a 290x in uber mode which had no significant throttling issues during short benchmark runs.

 

[AnandThenMan]

A pure gaming card is surprising to see. $450 over the next fastest card is quite the premium...

It is, but some people like high priced items, they get that feeling of exclusivity. I have no problem with Nvidia exploiting this.

And although that Titan X review is down, shame on Anandtech if they did indeed use a reference 290X. It's so misleading due to that throttling and, factually, almost no one buys reference any more.

They appear to be using the same reference version they've had since the 290x came out. I think an explanation is in order myself.

Anand's review used a 290x in uber mode which had no significant throttling issues during short benchmark runs.

Doesn't matter, the reference 290 does not represent what people buy.

 

[exar333]

no... I'm willing to bet that a 980ti will be a harvested chip from this core

I would be Ok with that if the only difference was the RAM amounts. A 6GB 'version' of this would make a lot more sense. It would be interesting to see what the cut-down version would like, knowing NV would want to avoid 970-type issues.

The more I think about the Titan X, the more it doesn't make sense. The lack of DP is a BIG deal...I COULD see someone consider this vs. 980SLI though. Not a slam-dunk choice, but at least would enter the consideration.

Now we can all move-on and wait for the 390/x leaks.

 

[Creig]

Anand's review used a 290x in uber mode which had no significant throttling issues during short benchmark runs.

Even if that's true (which I doubt given the number of benchmarks AT usually runs), what about increased noise levels, increased temperature levels, increased power consumption?

The average 290X available on the market today is superior in nearly every respect to the reference cooled 290X from a year and a half ago. This review, if it uses the reference 290X (as I suspect it does) reflects none of that and shows the 290X in the worst possible light. How can the average person make an informed purchasing decision based on values taken from a card that has long been pulled from production?

 

[n0x1ous]

apparently NDA lifts at 12PM Pacific

 

[Aikouka]

They appear to be using the same reference version they've had since the 290x came out. I think an explanation is in order myself.

From everything I've seen, Anandtech doesn't just go out and buy cards. Like most other sites, they receive review units, and review them accordingly. If AMD deems that the review is inaccurate based upon newer cooling capabilities, then they should send out a new review unit, or a third-party could send one out to showcase its cooling capabilities. If you think this should be done, then give AMD a little nudge on Twitter or whatever.

Also, this discussion is OT, so if you keep it up, expect some bolded text.

 

[.vodka]

Now we can all move-on and wait for the 390/x leaks.

If the latest leaks are to be believed with the amounts of salt one would usually use for these cases, the 390x is faster than the Titan X by at least 10%. It should overclock 10-15% comfortably, if Hawaii is any indication of that.


So far, it looks like the performance crown could be AMD's this time. You can count on the 390x to have decent DP support as Tahiti and Hawaii had, too.

 

[Rezist]

I'm curious to see what the Canadian prices will be, probably $1300 is my guess.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Also, this discussion is OT, so if you keep it up, expect some bolded text.

I don't see how cards used in a review and shown in the charts is off topic.

 

[therealnickdanger]

I would be Ok with that if the only difference was the RAM amounts. A 6GB 'version' of this would make a lot more sense. It would be interesting to see what the cut-down version would like, knowing NV would want to avoid 970-type issues.

The more I think about the Titan X, the more it doesn't make sense. The lack of DP is a BIG deal...I COULD see someone consider this vs. 980SLI though. Not a slam-dunk choice, but at least would enter the consideration.

Now we can all move-on and wait for the 390/x leaks.

People are used to the Titan brand launching at $999, so it's just a safe place for them. If the 390X comes out swinging with better gaming performance AND better DP performance for $500-700, then NVIDIA can still justify the price of the Titan by having 300% more VRAM (4GB) or 33% more VRAM (8GB), CUDA support, and better perf/W. Titan = $1,000, no matter what the competition does. In light of the imminent 390X launch, and the fact that it has lost its DP edge are the only reasons it's not priced higher.

 

[exar333]

If the latest leaks are to be believed with the amounts of salt one would usually use for these cases, the 390x is faster than the Titan X by at least 10%. It should overclock 10-15% comfortably, if Hawaii is any indication of that.


So far, it looks like the performance crown could be AMD's this time. You can count on the 390x to have decent DP support as Tahiti and Hawaii had, too.

Good points.

All signs point to Titan X as the last gasp of 28nm. I doubt we will see a bigger chip, more memory or higher TDP from NV. This is their final trick up their sleeve for 28nm.

Let's now see AMD's last shot too. HBM is the first really 'exciting' thing we have seen on GPUs in a while now.

 

[el etro]

390x will be faster by 10-15%(if is 390x 50-60%faster than 390x in 4k) TITANX is only 33% faster than GTX980.

I think 390X will perform as the Same as TTX...

 

[Subyman]

I think 390X will perform as the Same as TTX...

I'd hope so, I think it will come to down to overclockability and features (just like every gen pretty much.) Nvidia will likely release a 6GB version when the 390X comes out and price it comparably. In the long run, early adopters to the Titan X are paying for Vram and a few months of playing around, plus doubtful they will get the itch to upgrade until the next big release.

 

[DownTheSky]

I think 390X will perform as the Same as TTX...

390X will be faster.. and ab $800.

 

[Red Hawk]

If the 390X is faster than the Titan X and releases at several hundred dollars less, and Nvidia refuses to drop the Titan X's price, that actually helps AMD. Nvidia will still make money with the Titan X from their loyal customers who buy Nvidia no matter what, while that customer segment that does base purchases on real-world performance and doesn't have brand loyalty will go with AMD.

 

[Creig]

http://www.techspot.com/review/977-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-x/

Now, at $999, the Titan X is aiming at the no-compromise gamer. It's ~80% more expensive than the GTX 980 while delivering 40% more performance, so prospective buyers are set to pay a massive premium. Meanwhile, the new Titan is 47% faster than the R9 290X at 2560x1600, but that hardly justifies spending almost three times as much.

The R9 295X2 can be had for as little as $700, which is a heck of a deal considering the cooling it comes with, though with the headaches that often arise from multi-GPU gaming, we could see someone spending more on what is technically a slower albeit painless and more straightforward solution. Meanwhile, AMD's R9 290X is still the best choice for those wanting the best value flagship.

There's no denying that the Titan X delivers remarkable performance and despite already witnessing first-hand just how efficient Maxwell is, we still thought this card would be more power hungry than it turned out to be. It's nice to be repeatedly impressed on this front.

Ultimately the Titan X delivers. It's not a great value, but if it sells out like the original Titan did then it doesn't need to be.

 

[therealnickdanger]

http://www.techspot.com/review/977-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-x/

Hotter than a 290X at load, eh?

"The Titan X was 37% faster than the GTX 980 at 2560x1600 and 36% faster at 4K UHD.
The Titan X was also 47% faster than the R9 290X on average at 2560x1600 while it was just 36% faster at 3840x2160."

~1.5X the performance for ~3X the price. Sounds about right for a flagship.

 

[AdamK47]

Checked the local Micro Center. No Titan X.

 

[Hitman928]

I know they're the first and that's why you posted it, but techspot reviews aren't worth the proverbial paper they're written on. I'd wait for real reviews.

~2X the performance for ~3X the price. Sounds about right for a flagship.

Not sure where you're getting this math from. . .

 

[wand3r3r]

Talk about a disappointing launch so far.

4k performance has only gone up by a third, price 2-3x the next card. You still need dual cards, and I would bet that third drops vs. the XDMA crossfire with it's scaling.

Purely a gaming card (think GTX 580 successor, 2nd gen). The titan name is worthless now, it's just a name for overpriced.

Without the abysmal price and now the neutered DP (prosumer feature) it's just a slap on the face to buyers, all 2000 of them.

What I do like is that it's a nice card, with solid performance. It's hard to be intrigued though seeing that it's an even bigger rip off then the last titan.

I guess they have left the bar low for AMD. I'm starting to suspect the 390x is going to be a let down in the performance department if this is all that NV has for competition. Now the wait begins to see what AMD has up their sleeve.

 

[swilli89]

I see most are disappointed in the price and/or lack of FP64. I agree with these sentiments but for those that were expecting more performance. Its a very impressive engineering feat that they have improved with 3 generations on the same 28nm process node.

AMD's chip will probably be no faster. Again.. due to 28nm. Once 14nm ramps we'll get our nice 70% increase we want from a new flagship.

 

[therealnickdanger]

Not sure where you're getting this math from. . .

LOL sorry - total typo. I was looking at one 1600p score that was double when I typed it. I meant to say, "~1.5X the performance for ~3X the price. Sounds about right for a flagship."

 

[Eymar]

Talk about a disappointing launch so far.

4k performance has only gone up by a third, price 2-3x the next card. You still need dual cards, and I would bet that third drops vs. the XDMA crossfire with it's scaling.

Purely a gaming card (think GTX 580 successor, 2nd gen). The titan name is worthless now, it's just a name for overpriced.

Without the abysmal price and now the neutered DP (prosumer feature) it's just a slap on the face to buyers, all 2000 of them.

What I do like is that it's a nice card, with solid performance. It's hard to be intrigued though seeing that it's an even bigger rip off then the last titan.

I guess they have left the bar low for AMD. I'm starting to suspect the 390x is going to be a let down in the performance department if this is all that NV has for competition. Now the wait begins to see what AMD has up their sleeve.

I agree the TiX is a solid card on performance numbers alone and pretty bad value once price is factored in. I don't think a lot of the original Titan owners will upgrade based on previous history (ie. cut down TiX 980ti will be coming) and as stated the neutered DP performance. Unless I sell my 980s, I'm probably not a buyer and will wait to see what 980ti does.