Titan X Launch

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Vesku

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I'm going by the tradition of reference designs exhausting the heat out of the case. If they abandon that then yes they could have simply used the Titan Z cooler or similar.
 

ZGR

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Would love to see a review of the Titan X water-cooled and heavily OC'd edit: and with an unlocked power limit...

I wouldn't be surprised to see the value of this card drop far faster than the previous Titan cards due to the lack of FP64.

If a tech-site has one or two to giveaway, I'm signing up!
 
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Would love to see a review of the Titan X water-cooled and heavily OC'd edit: and with an unlocked power limit...

I wouldn't be surprised to see the value of this card drop far faster than the previous Titan cards due to the lack of FP64.

If a tech-site has one or two to giveaway, I'm signing up!

With a modified bios allowing +vcore. 1.6ghz boost?

Definitely 50% faster than 980.
 

el etro

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The 290x in the graph TitanX comes closer in the noise test is 290x default mode, uber mode 290x is still noisier.
 

JDG1980

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The Titan X makes the GTX 980 look like a really good deal in comparison. Of course, maybe that's part of Nvidia's marketing strategy.

Despite the maturity of the 28nm process, I doubt the yields on this massive chip are 100%. I suspect Nvidia is stockpiling them in preparation for a more budget-minded GM200 release, once they've milked the $999 price point for all it's worth. Presumably AMD's release of the R9 390X will be the trigger for this. My prediction: the cut-down GM200 will be called the GTX 990 (all future dual-GPU Nvidia cards will be Titan-branded), it will have 2688 or 2816 SPs (two or three SMMs disabled) and 6GB of RAM (and no GTX 970-style segmentation antics, considering how badly that backfired last time). With half the VRAM and fewer shaders, Nvidia will be able to continue to justify the Titan at $999, while still capturing more price-sensitive buyers at lower price points. I wouldn't be surprised to see GTX 990 slot in at the 980's price point, and the 980 drop to $399. Of course, the better AMD's competing offering performs, the more Nvidia will feel compelled to cut prices, just as they cut the GTX 780 price by $150 after AMD released the R9 290X.
 

Cookie Monster

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I really enjoyed Ryans Anandtech review.

I liked the updated games list, it's good to get some modern and demanding games in the review.

I wonder why there are only minimums in 2 games out of the whole list.

I think that we should really have frametimes so we can accurately see where the single gpu is actually superior to the multi gpu solution, from averages the 295x2 shines out of that list (best price/performance by far). AT should really get an aftermarket 290x, although on the other hand it keeps shaming AMD into doing something about it. Even the reference 290x shows up quite well for a $300ish card.

The only GPU I'd buy over a <$300 290x is the 295x2. It does very well, at least by average FPS. The titan is horribly overpriced and gets beaten quite easily by the $600 (sales) 295x2. Sure you suffer from the multi-gpu side affects, but from my experience XDMA crossfire works pretty well.

I still can't get over the fact that they have simply renamed the GTX 580 successor to "titan x" and bumped the price up $450. We need some competition to get rid of this gouging. The funny thing is that maxwell has cut out the computing portions to be a lean gaming gpu and now they charge you $1k for that pleasure.

It looks like titan x is already at it's low thermal limits since it can't keep it's max boost clock in any games. I'm also surprised that the system power consumption is around the the 290x levels (not that I care as the performance is there but it will be interesting to see the flip flopping of that "hot and power hungry" 290x complaints). It overclocks decently but the cooler and low tdp limits are right there keeping it throttling back. It also gets quite loud, clearly that cooler is around the limit that it can handle quietly.

It'd be a fun card without voltage neutering though!

If only it wasn't such a rip off! I really like the card but despise the price gouging.

Why would anyone (someone who wants to buy extreme high end) looking to buy a R295X/Titan Z or any CF/SLi setup over this though? With a Titan X..

1) You dont have to worry about CF support/compatibility especially when a whole slew of new AMD cards get released (Old gen normally gets left behind).
2) Your not restricted to 4GB for 4K.
3) Your going to run across alot more frame inconsistency (game dependent) with dual GPU setups than a single GPU setup even if its getting higher FPS.
4) +500W venting out of your case just from the videocard.
5) Can add another Titan X down the road..
 

Annisman*

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Why would anyone (someone who wants to buy extreme high end) looking to buy a R295X/Titan Z or any CF/SLi setup over this though? With a Titan X..

1) You dont have to worry about CF support/compatibility especially when a whole slew of new AMD cards get released (Old gen normally gets left behind).
2) Your not restricted to 4GB for 4K.
3) Your going to run across alot more frame inconsistency (game dependent) with dual GPU setups than a single GPU setup even if its getting higher FPS.
4) +500W venting out of your case just from the videocard.
5) Can add another Titan X down the road..

Bingo
 

cmdrdredd

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I really hope these do not sell well. Not because I dislike Nvidia (I have no feeling for any company for anything) but because it hurts us as consumers

You feel that way because you can't afford one and are jealous of those who can? I don't get how it hurts anything. They can charge what they want, which is the way every industry is. There's an option at every budget level.
 

CP5670

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Interesting card, but not practical or useful for most people. $1000 is lower than the earlier rumors, but there is little to justify that price given the lack of double precision. It's surprising that they aren't allowing non-reference coolers on it. I would still rather buy this than any SLI/CF setup with lesser cards though.

Mmmmmm.... Deep Learning....

I was thinking of that too. I'm using the original Titans at work (with Theano) for this purpose, but you really only need single precision for it.
 

bunnyfubbles

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Not a fan of the Titan X. Original Titan I could give a pass on the $999 price tag because of yield issues and DP performance solidifying it as a prosumer option which has helped keep much of its value.

However Titan X is not only lacking that prosumer punch, its a product on the cusp of Pascal's monster memory bandwidth which will likely destroy Maxwell's resell value, as we're likely looking at a jump in performance that should rival that of the jump to 256bit with the 9700Pro
 

x3sphere

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Not a fan of the Titan X. Original Titan I could give a pass on the $999 price tag because of yield issues and DP performance solidifying it as a prosumer option which has helped keep much of its value.

However Titan X is not only lacking that prosumer punch, its a product on the cusp of Pascal's monster memory bandwidth which will likely destroy Maxwell's resell value, as we're likely looking at a jump in performance that should rival that of the jump to 256bit with the 9700Pro

Agreed, I also wouldn't expect the resale value to hold as long as the regular Titan did for that reason.

980 is doing well for me at 3440x1440, I have no plans to go 4K anytime soon, not until I can get an affordable 4K OLED anyway. So will pass on the X, not tempting at all for me.
 
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Of course, the better AMD's competing offering performs, the more Nvidia will feel compelled to cut prices, just as they cut the GTX 780 price by $150 after AMD released the R9 290X.

Thanks for the link.

An interesting time warp back to the reference R290X launch. Worse mistake ever in a long time from AMD to ship such a great GPU with such a crap cooler, recycled from the 7970 where it was already bad, which was recycled from the 6970 where it was barely enough, recycled from the 5870 which it was made for (runs cool & quiet).

They copped so much flak from reviewers (especially AT!) and users from both sides (seriously anyone who defends that kind of noise for a gaming GPU is either deaf or nuts)...

This IMO, is why 390X is water cooled. AIO allows it to run cool, quiet, with plenty of TDP room for OC with vcore and it won't throttle. Because its the reference design, it will also be used as a benchmark for years to come, instead of what we get with some review sites still using reference R290X in their charts.

Reading hardware.fr Titan X review, they noted that it can do impressive OC to 1.4ghz boost, they said its not sustained as the temp/TDP target is reached and it throttles back. So anyone who wants to spend big bucks on Titan X, definitely put it on water, it'll make for a killer SLI/Quad SLI setup thats "future-proof".
 

AnandThenMan

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Reading hardware.fr Titan X review, they noted that it can do impressive OC to 1.4ghz boost, they said its not sustained as the temp/TDP target is reached and it throttles back. So anyone who wants to spend big bucks on Titan X, definitely put it on water, it'll make for a killer SLI/Quad SLI setup thats "future-proof".
I think for $1000 Titan X should have come with a premium cooler. Premium price, premium cooling solution. But you just know there will be better versions down the road which is why to me buying T-X is not very smart right now unless you are putting it under water and don't care about costs at all.
 

HurleyBird

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An interesting time warp back to the reference R290X launch. Worse mistake ever in a long time from AMD to ship such a great GPU with such a crap cooler, recycled from the 7970 where it was already bad, which was recycled from the 6970 where it was barely enough, recycled from the 5870 which it was made for (runs cool & quiet).

It was only recycled back to the 6970. The 5870 cooler was quite different and didn't have a vapour chamber. I actually think the heatsink portion of the 290X isn't the problem as much as the fan (which is about half the depth of the titan cooler).
 

Spanners

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You feel that way because you can't afford one and are jealous of those who can? I don't get how it hurts anything. They can charge what they want, which is the way every industry is. There's an option at every budget level.

Thanks for the divining. I can only speak for myself but I don't try and get the most for my money because I can't afford to buy the best and I'm never jealous of something I could have decided to do myself.

He's basically saying he hopes the market decides against this card. Not that Nvidia shouldn't be allowed to charge whatever they see fit. I suppose the hurt part is that this sets a bad precedent (I'm not sure I buy into that but that's my interpretation). I was sold the idea that Titan was a semi-pro card and that explained the price. Now that the DP performance is so cut down in comparison all Titan seems to mean is $1K USD and no third party coolers (besides water blocks).

I think it's an incredible card on 28nm and 250W TDP though so hats off to the engineers.
 

Annisman*

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I'm not gonna lie, I would still seriously consider buying this card at 1k$ even if it was just a 20% performance increase over GTX980. I think that's the problem with the top enthusiasts and also why there will always be a market for the Titans.
 

AdamK47

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I suppose I can wait a few weeks for 3rd party cards to be available. I have other fun stuff to do anyway.
 

moonbogg

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I'm excited about the next cut down version. Two of those should go great with a 1440p Gsync IPS panel. I'll be ready to drop some cabbage on a setup like that. Glad I skipped everything until now though. Mid range 900 series, 1440p TN panels, all that stuff was good to pass on IMO.
 

nurturedhate

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You feel that way because you can't afford one and are jealous of those who can? I don't get how it hurts anything. They can charge what they want, which is the way every industry is. There's an option at every budget level.

Bought a 780ti at $650 in Feb 2014. Lack of money isn't an issue. Raising prices on flagships leads to higher prices for the entire segment. Higher prices means slower widespread adoption of a standard level of performance. Lower standard level of performance means less innovation (shiny, pretty things, people buy shiny pretty things) in video games. Less innovation in video games means less buyers of said product. Less games being sold means less video cards being sold. Eventually you have a dead or dying market - i.e. it is not good for consumers.
 
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