Titans & GTX780's at 1.4Ghz with unlocked voltage control

Tempered81

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Warning: Can damage your card & void warranty.

Well looks like GK110 is clocking higher than Tahiti which is to be expected since Tahiti is 1.5 years older. There are a few community-made software voltage mods for Titan/780 floating around out there. Looks like Titan and 780 reference PCBs are slightly more robust than GTX590 v1's. I wanted to share and link these with AT VCOG if anyone here is into extreme overclocking & using full water blocks & big PSUs and wants to check them out. They are best suited for cards on full cover water blocks or extreme cooling. You don't need to solder anything to use these mods, they are all software based. You should either know what you're doing & have some experience, or not be concerned with killing your video card. Please don't shoot the messenger.

skynet's GTX Titan bios with disabled Boost & a 440 Watt power limit with 125% PT slider:
http://www.overclock.net/attachments/16482.

Info here & secondary bios:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1363440/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-owners-club/14970#post_20765842.

1.3v mod With disabled Load line calibration:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1421221/gtx780-titan-any-ncp4206-card-vdroop-fix-solid-1-325v

Voltage tool alternative 'Artmoney':
http://www.artmoney.ru/e_download.htm

Another alternative 'Rbby258 Tool':
http://www.overclock.net/t/1398725/unlock-afterburner-limits-on-lots-of-cards-titan-to-gtx460

Zawarudo 1.3-1.6v mod tool:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1425102/released-fully-unlocked-ncp4206-voltage-llc-mod-tool


You must have Afterburner 3.00 Beta 14 or Beta 15 for use in conjunction with these mods. Nvidia recommends ref 780/Titan cards remain under 1212mv for safety reasons and keeping your warranty intact. However, if you are here to attempt these mods, throw that out the window and proceed: Titans can use up to 450-500 watts with these higher voltages + unlocked bioses + disabled boost/llc (nearly double TDP). They probably even spike over 500. So if you have two GTX Titans & an overclocked 6 core intel or 8 core AMD CPU, your power requirements can reach up to 500+500+500 = 1500 watts (or even higher on LN2/extreme). Make sure you have ample power on standby.

First use Afterburner to unlock higher voltages. Instructions are located in the threads linked above. You can now set up to 1300mv with the Afterburner slider. Next you will want a high power bios for your 780 or Titan, since these high voltages will still cause high temperatures and high current which will result in throttling & GPU Boost causing downclocking. Then you can use the additional mods/tools to disable Load line calibration for a steadier voltage without vdroop and to further increase the core/mem/aux volts allowing for higher clocks. At some point you will reach your cards limit, and you might not know when that is until you're looking at a black screen & smelling burning plastic.

The downside to these mods is the associated risk. They will void your warranty and can damage your $1000 toy, motherboards, or other components. Thats the price you could pay for doing extreme overclocking. The upside is that it's really easy compared to soldering and will help you get the highest benchmark scores and highest overclocks. The reference boards from Nvidia were designed to operate within designated thresholds which for GTX Titan equals 6 phases @ max 1.212v and 265 watt power target (safe threshold). The mods linked above will override the power target up to 440 watts and the voltage up to 1600mv. Some tools will control memory & auxillary as well. Because of overvoltage, the VRMs become the weakest link in the chain, and Afaik Titan/780 ref pcbs dont report VRM temperatures through onboard sensors. The catch is the card stays the same physically if you aren't adding capacitors or epower or extra phases, so the modifications can overload the VRMS and with prolonged use can degrade the GPU. You can even instantly fry/brick the card without warning. It isn't newbie friendly, but nobody here is a noob right? I can help answer any questions about getting these mods working. Good luck & remember to take heed of the warning and that you assume all associated risk & liability.
 

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Yep them Extreme OC's Lads are pushing the limits of the GTX 780 and apparently the EVGA GTX 780 Classified is King beating, Galaxy GTX 780 HOF's, MSI Lightnings and Titans in clocking and scoring higher in benches.

Apparently on Air with Modified BIOS and Drivers and using an EvBot, the EVGA GTX 780 Classified w/ACX Cooler is Untouchable.

Some GeForce nVidia's are pushing 1.6v on water for GTX 780's Benches - Kinda crazy if you ask me but the AMD Malta Sapphire HD 7990 on Air at 1100Mhz is still the KING at $700 USD with insane wattage and you get 6 Games.
 
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hawtdawg

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Are you sure about the TDP going over 300 watts on the reference cards? I know the bios can be modded to a higher number, but I was under the impression that you need to physically mod the reference cards to actually achieve more than 300w TDP.
 

Tempered81

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I first thought that too, hawtdawg. But I'm sure - Skynet is recently putting up some high power bioses that have been tested & feedback is there if you read. Perhaps the Kepler bios tweaker guys made some advances lately. Consider I can pull upwards 400 watts on a reference 1.2ghz 7950, a fused 350mm chip with 3gb, and at only ~1300mv. So imagine 561mm2 @ 1400mhz/1400-1500mv LLC disabled with 6gb ram... not possible to sustain with under 300 watts without crashing or throttling. People with 265, 300, 340 watt bioses in the Titan club thread get higher clocks without throttling on 440 watt bioses. Some are measuring over 1200+ at the wall with 2 Titans, and it's pretty hard to get your base system over 500 watts excluding vga. There is enough evidence of unmodded Titans using way over 400, IMO closer to 500, but definitely over 300
 

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Nice find! Obviously not for all, but it is good to see modders find a way to get around locked bios's and lack of Vcore contol.

I also thought I heard that these cards were hardware locked, but apparently they just need bios mods and software control. Good stuff.
 

njdevilsfan87

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I tried some 1.3v action on my reference Titan. It allows me to run 1306mhz / 7000mhz game stable. It's very nice to know the extra performance is there for me down the line. I've had Titan for 6 months now, and I plan to keep it for a very, very long time. I would think a 1300mhz Titan should still be very relevant 2 years from now. I actually haven't even been running 1176/7000 like in my sig. Just been running 1006/6000 stock.
 

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This is where a titan could shine. If only the price was sane I'd be a lot more interested! I believe EVGA doesn't "support" these but might still warranty the cards. Something along that line was in one of the 780 classified reviews.
 

MrK6

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Nice! About time someone finally got these cards clocking. I'd be concerned about what a 24/7 safe voltage is, but this definitely adds some value to these cards, especially the 780 in my eyes. That said, we might be close to a new release so I'm not sure I'd act on the news.
 

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tigersty1e

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these extreme overclocks are meh.

show me some 24/7 stable overclocks on air.

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Railgun

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Wouldn't it be interesting if nvidia built a card that was far more capable than marketed and we're just finding out what it really can do? Perhaps 1.3v is a normal voltage for it and 1.4 is a moderate ov. 1.4GHz is just scratching the surface. 7GHz memory may be reaching a limit I would think...

Yeah...that's just a fantasy to be sure, and until the first card melts down, we'll never know.

Mine on water with what is a modest oc only hits 42/43c at load using the EK full cover.
 

Tempered81

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Well now we have sparked the interest of Njdevilsfan87 & Railgun sitting tight with their 1.2ghz Titans on Full cover EKs, presumable both of you using 1.2v or less. So who is willing to take the plunge first & post some results? Heads up on 4 or 5 cards that have died so far at HWbot - 1.35v, two around 1.4v and one at 1.45v and one higher.

Railgun, IMO NV would have designed a more powerful Vrm area for the reference PCB if they intended 1.3-1.4v. 1.4ghz is probably the max you're going see on a non-modded ref. Ive seen 1411-1430mhz, but anything higher 1450-1700mhz - usually is on a classy/lightning/Epower. Something like a cross between the current Titan board & lightning/classy will probably power the full GK110 at higher voltage if/when it becomes a retail product.
 

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Well now we have sparked the interest of Njdevilsfan87 & Railgun sitting tight with their 1.2ghz Titans on Full cover EKs, presumable both of you using 1.2v or less.

Heh. My interest has been piqued for a while. I started playing with the 1.3v bios...es...and damn near bricked the thing. At least I thought I had. Interestingly, pushing 1.3GHz and 6.5GHz actually got me LOWER scores in heaven. I'm still playing.
 

DooKey

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Those 780 Classified models are pretty awesome cards. Can't wait to see what AMD brings to the table next month.
 

skipsneeky2

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1.4Ghz for a Titan is absolutely insane,i need no benchmark or game numbers to know this is gonna provide some beastly performance.How far can the 7970Ghz reach typically on air?I know 1200 core can be done quite easily if you can live with the 1.25v and have aftermarket cooling.
 

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Heh. My interest has been piqued for a while. I started playing with the 1.3v bios...es...and damn near bricked the thing. At least I thought I had. Interestingly, pushing 1.3GHz and 6.5GHz actually got me LOWER scores in heaven. I'm still playing.


Discovered the same thing benching Heaven and Valley 1300/1740 @1.3v produced significantly lower scores than 1240/1700 @1.24v. My guess was VRMs overheating and throttling down.. if anyone has a better theory please share.
 

DooKey

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Discovered the same thing benching Heaven and Valley 1300/1740 @1.3v produced significantly lower scores than 1240/1700 @1.24v. My guess was VRMs overheating and throttling down.. if anyone has a better theory please share.

My theory is your RAM was error correcting at 1740 causing your lower scores.
 

Tempered81

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^ you guys need the new Skynet bios for 440 watts with disabled boost & disabled throttling, and probably should lower the ram a little like dookey said
 

Grooveriding

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Too high a VRAM overclock will cause performance reduction. It's pretty easy to test. Just set your core to stock and keep overclocking your memory. You'll eventually get a lower score with a higher memory clock before it will actually outright crash. At that point dial it back and you have your memory, then do your core to whatever.

I can do 1400/7200 with 1.33 and 1.62 respectively core/vram.
 

Tempered81

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@Grooveriding, Nice 1.4ghz dude. Did you try the LLC=0 setting for your Classifieds? Try the svl7 572 watt bios? And will you please post a afterburner graph under load, or some power info if you have a killawatt? Thanks.
 

Grooveriding

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@Grooveriding, Nice 1.4ghz dude. Did you try the LLC=0 setting for your Classifieds? Try the svl7 572 watt bios? And will you please post a afterburner graph under load, or some power info if you have a killawatt? Thanks.

I'm using Skynet's LN2 Classified BIOS. I can get an afterburner graph up. I don't have a kilawatt but I think I'll grab one out of interest. I'm reading on OCN by some that these cards skyrocket in power consumption once you start giving them volts/clocks. I saw a post by Vega that his quad SLI Titans with 1.3V and clocked to 1300 were shutting down his 1500W PSU.

Mine are still running cool under water though, low 40s under load. I'll try to get some stuff up by the weekend on power usage.
 
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