Titans sold out :(

[Lepton87]

In that case, wouldn't you be selecting benchmarks too? Not to mention, he has 7 games, you have 4, and it's still a pretty good pool.

6 games, synthetic test is not a game I won't bother looking for games where 7970 does comparatively well against Titan. All games should be included, not only those where one brand does well. Computerbase.de pegs Titan as 22% faster then 7970GE and in Anandtech's benchmark suite it's 34% faster on average. In techpowerup it's also about 35% faster, it's very game dependent. In computerbase.de overclocked 7970 can match titan, in anandtech's and techpowerup's benchmarks suites it can't.

 

[Eureka]

6 games, synthetic test is not a game I won't bother looking for games where 7970 does comparatively well against Titan. All games should be included, not only those where one brand does well.

Except Sleeping Dogs and Dirt are generally titles where AMD does better. Not to mention, the Titan is still faster at stock than the GE at those games. I don't want to dig up benchmarks right now but what are you trying to argue? That the Titan isn't fast?

 

[Lepton87]

Except Sleeping Dogs and Dirt are generally titles where AMD does better. Not to mention, the Titan is still faster at stock than the GE at those games. I don't want to dig up benchmarks right now but what are you trying to argue? That the Titan isn't fast?

Its performance doesn't justify its price. It should be 700$ at most. Also you can come very close to it for half the price. Unfortunately in my country the best 7970s are unavailable. For its price you can buy 3x670. It only makes sense in very small form factors where power efficiency is important or in SLI/Tri SLI. Otherwise a lone titan doesn't make sense.

 

[sontin]

I don't want to dig up benchmarks right now but what are you trying to argue? That the Titan isn't fast?

Yap that is what he is trying to explain us.
THe bad part is that he has no clue of fast TITAN really is because he sees only the default setting with TITAN. A Titan with 1150MHz is nearly 50% faster than a 7970 at 1200MHz.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

7970 can't justify it's price either, not against the $270 7950 with the exact same bundle.

We can do this all the way down the stack.

 

[tweakboy]

This will drive the prices even higher. 900 to 1k for Titan ..... twice the price of a awesome CPU. Next thing you know Titan 2 is out.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Source? I didn't think so.

Got any sales numbers to back up that claim?

Look at their financials from entire last year.

Nvidia GPU Division revenue FY 2011 and FY 2012: 2.5 billions - Source
Nvidia GPU Division revenue FY 2013: 3.25 billions - Source
AMD GPU Division 2012 (2013): 1.5 billions - Source (added another 400 million for the last quarter)

Nvidias mobile GPUs are very expensive compared to AMD yet Nvidia dominates the market.

GTX Titan is outsold everywhere. http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/titan/

AMD financials is bust. Nvidia does well.'

You want more reasons? Of course in your AMD head you won`t believe anything of this. So I will await your fact spinning since you can`t face the truth.

Selected benchmarks. Change the games to Dirt Showdown, sleeping dogs, crysis, hitman absolution and it would look completely different.

"Selected" benchmarks? They were the only one that was tested. I can easily tell the reviewers to add Nvidia games too along with those games. It will even out anyway, and GTX Titan completely DESTROY a 7970 even at 1200MHz.

 

[Creig]

GTX Titan completely DESTROY a 7970 even at 1200MHz.

And sales of 7970's completely DESTROY Titan sales because with a 7970 you can get 80% of Titan's performance at 50% of its cost.

 

[Eureka]

Its performance doesn't justify its price. It should be 700$ at most. Also you can come very close to it for half the price. Unfortunately in my country the best 7970s are unavailable. For its price you can buy 3x670. It only makes sense in very small form factors where power efficiency is important or in SLI/Tri SLI. Otherwise a lone titan doesn't make sense.

Who cares about performance for price? There's too much noise about it, especially at the higher-end where perf/price doesn't matter anyway.

The Ares is $1500 for what is basically a CF setup.

It's nothing new. c. 2004 paying $650 for a X1800XT?

Who cares. They aren't meant for regular consumers, but how else are you going to get a full Kepler?

 

[Cloudfire777]

You have to pay to have the greatest single GPU. Always been this way. It have NEVER followed price/performance on the upper segment. It never will.

Nvidia know how to profit the most out of this. Thats why it is $999 and not $500 like people cry about. They know the market, you don`t. And you can clearly see that they priced Titan at the correct price since its outsold everywhere ever since launch.

 

[wand3r3r]

Look at their financials from entire last year.

Nvidia GPU Division revenue FY 2011 and FY 2012: 2.5 billions - Source
Nvidia GPU Division revenue FY 2013: 3.25 billions - Source
AMD GPU Division 2012 (2013): 1.5 billions - Source (added another 400 million for the last quarter)

Nvidias mobile GPUs are very expensive compared to AMD yet Nvidia dominates the market.

GTX Titan is outsold everywhere. http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/titan/

AMD financials is bust. Nvidia does well.'

You want more reasons? Of course in your AMD head you won`t believe anything of this. So I will await your fact spinning since you can`t face the truth.

What a load of bs, you didn't present a source for titan sales. Yeah, they are trickling into the market, you haven't proven anything about TITAN numbers to backup your claim.

This isn't about NV financials, it's titans sales which you claim are "selling like crazy" without proof. The only thing crazy is your love affair with a corporation.

Source please, no more beating around the bush on that one.

 

[Cloudfire777]

And sales of 7970's completely DESTROY Titan sales because with a 7970 you can get 80% of Titan's performance at 50% of its cost.

No doubt, but rather ask yourself this: Who PROFIT the most out of 7970 and Titan? Who have the best margin?

 

[Cloudfire777]

What a load of bs, you didn't present a source for titan sales. Yeah, they are trickling into the market, you haven't proven anything about TITAN numbers to backup your claim.

This isn't about NV financials, it's titans sales which you claim are "selling like crazy" without proof. The only thing crazy is your love affair with a corporation.

Source please, no more beating around the bush on that one.

GTX Titan have been outsold ever since launch. Still is
http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/titan/

Yields at TSMC are great both for Nvidia and AMD. Its a simple 2+2. Come on, you can do it

 

[Lepton87]

Who cares about performance for price? There's too much noise about it, especially at the higher-end where perf/price doesn't matter anyway.

The Ares is $1500 for what is basically a CF setup.

It's nothing new. c. 2004 paying $650 for a X1800XT?

Who cares. They aren't meant for regular consumers, but how else are you going to get a full Kepler?

99% of the customers care about price/performance. I would be willing to pay for titan the same amount I paid for 2x7970 even though I would lose some performance but no drivers hassles would compensate for that. But in my country it costs almost as much as 3x7970s which is just ridiculous. Putting those limited edition special cards as a comparison point for titan is just stupid. Some of them have a volume of 100. There was 5870X2 instead of 5970, GTX580X2 etc.
ps. To be clear, people are putting words into my mouth I didn't say. I'm not saying pricing titan at 1000$ is bad for NV it's just bad for customers. There are enough NV idiots or people for whom paying 3000$ for TriSLI is like a day's salary or less.

 

[Elfear]

Yap that is what he is trying to explain us.
THe bad part is that he has no clue of fast TITAN really is because he sees only the default setting with TITAN. A Titan with 1150MHz is nearly 50% faster than a 7970 at 1200MHz.

From the various reviews, it shows that Titan is 18-35% faster than a 7970Ghz on average. A 7970@1200Mhz would be ~10-14% faster than stock. Titan boosts to ~1000Mhz at stock (900Mhz+ in the "warmed up" tests) so 1150Mhz would put it ~10-15% faster than stock.

How are you getting "nearly 50%" faster on average? The performance delta basically stays the same at the clocks you mentioned so we're back to the 18-35% difference.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

GTX Titan have been outsold ever since launch. Still is
http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/titan/

Yields at TSMC are great both for Nvidia and AMD. Its a simple 2+2. Come on, you can do it

Define outsold, I know for a fact Microcenter near me has one in stock right now.

 

[bluesquare07]

AMD fanboys don't seem to understand that price/pure performance isn't everything. The same reason why I would get a 670 over a 7950. You can make an example of this for almost anything in life. The Titan is the fastest card on the market, don't like the price? don't buy it. I won't.

 

[bluesquare07]

Define outsold, I know for a fact Microcenter near me has one in stock right now.

one... it's very difficult to find titans in comparison to other video cards. that's what he means, jesus.

 

[Eureka]

99% of the customers care about price/performance. I would be willing to pay for titan the same amount I paid for 2x7970 even though I would lose some performance but no drivers hassles would compensate for that. But in my country it costs almost as much as 3x7970s which is just ridiculous.

90% of the customers aren't paying more than $200.

We are enthusiasts, not the average customer. And we demand performance, price be damned.

Disclaimer: I am not a sales manager.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Who PROFIT the most out of 7970 and Titan? Who have the best margin?

In what way does that affects you? You're not getting none of that profit unless you get free cards too.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Lets get real, no one NEEDS to have the best unless you MUST play the newest games as soon as they come out. As the hardware advances, you can play the same games at a later time without spending huge money on the latest and greatest.

 

[wand3r3r]

GTX Titan have been outsold ever since launch. Still is
http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/titan/

Yields at TSMC are great both for Nvidia and AMD. Its a simple 2+2. Come on, you can do it

So are you just admitting you made that up and you're only speculating?

You have no idea how many cards they are allocating for titan/tesla so you claim that due to the trickle factor it's selling like crazy which is just bs/speculation.

They have been trickling in constantly and could be purchased at any time.

Every time this gets brought up I take a look and can easily find titans on the shelf.

http://us.ncix.com/search/?categoryid=0&q=gtx+titan

http://www.evga.com/Products/Produc...GeForce+TITAN+Series+Family&chipset=GTX+TITAN

 

[sontin]

From the various reviews, it shows that Titan is 18-35% faster than a 7970Ghz on average. A 7970@1200Mhz would be ~10-14% faster than stock. Titan boosts to ~1000Mhz at stock (900Mhz+ in the "warmed up" tests) so 1150Mhz would put it ~10-15% faster than stock.

Titan is boosting up to 1000MHz but only for a short time until it hit the temp target of 80°C:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/test-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan/19/

"Unser Takt" is the clock which they got without adjustment.

How are you getting "nearly 50%" faster on average? The performance delta basically stays the same at the clocks you mentioned so we're back to the 18-35% difference.

I have a modified bios with a power target of 150%. My card runs nearly the whole time at 1134MHz. Comparing with others 7970GHz at 1200MHz my card shows a lead of 35%-60%.

 

[MrK6]

GTX Titan have been outsold ever since launch. Still is
http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/titan/

Yields at TSMC are great both for Nvidia and AMD. Its a simple 2+2. Come on, you can do it

You're postulating, which is fine, but without actual numbers no one knows.

7970's, even the super clocked models, are much better values at the moment. Unfortunately Titan just doesn't offer anything over my current set up to make me consider getting one, and I'd actually lose a lot of functionality. Add a whole lot of nothing for a high price and the suggestion to buy one becomes ludicrous. I'm amazed that 15 months after I got my 7970 there's still nothing to upgrade too. This is the longest I've ever used one video card.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

I find it easier to locate Titans, over Samsung 30nm ram, I'm just sayin. :biggrin: