Titans sold out :(

[wand3r3r]

Why does it matter anyway? People have always the AMD cards to buy if the price tag on Nvidia cards scare you away.

I was only saying that Nvidia could make a hell lot of money on a high price tag since their profit is bigger, than AMD who maybe sell a ton of GPU x with very little profit.

There are people here who thinks its the other way around. That since the AMD GPUs are cheaper it also means that they make more money.

Just look at their financials:
Nvidia GPU Division revenue FY 2013: 3.25 billions - Source
AMD GPU Division 2012 (2013): 1.5 billions (added 400 million for last quarter) - Source

Nvidia`s GPU devision had 2x the revenue

You're awfully proud of NV's revenue. Please explain why the consumer should care?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Stock and R&D money for better products come to mind.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Never thought Titan's selling well would upset AMD fans so much.

That makes the card even more worth it's pricetag

 

[wand3r3r]

Never thought Titan's selling well would upset AMD fans so much.

That makes the card even more worth it's pricetag

Nice Red herring. Where are the sales numbers?

 

[Lonbjerg]

Nice Red herring. Where are the sales numbers?

Where are the sales numbers for HD7970's?

 

[wand3r3r]

Where are the sales numbers for HD7970's?

Nice red herring.

Where do I claim they are selling well, or selling out?

 

[Lonbjerg]

Nice red herring.

Where do I claim they are selling well, or selling out?

You see them going out of stock?

 

[Arachnotronic]

No,there's no confirmation of that kind of price but hey...it's Intel17...
Not exactly a non biased source of info on AMD now is he...

Right. AMD's going to cherry-pick two 7970's, put them on a more expensive PCB, and then sell it for, what? $700?

I could see $800 - 900, though.

 

[5150Joker]

In demanding modern Titles such as BF3, Far Cry 3, Crysis 3 the 7970's kick Titans overpriced ass. FACT.

GPU's can scale perfectly well with 2 cards most likely being 90% FPS increase. and 3rd card can be hit or miss. You only have to look at how well the 690 GTX kicks Titans ass. In fact 2 x 670 GTX would also beat Titan for 2/3 of the price.

SLI and CF scale nearly double for 2 cards these days.

Oh and BTW the 7970 clocks like a BEAST and the Titan cant clock for shit. 7970 scales with clock speed also!

Who would want AMD's broken Crossfire though? I don't enjoy runt frames and I suspect neither does anyone else that isn't an AMD fanboy.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Who would want AMD's broken Crossfire though? I don't enjoy runt frames and I suspect neither does anyone else that isn't an AMD fanboy.

Exactly. :thumbsup:

This horrible latency/stuttering problem will haunt AMD for years to come. People will rather buy an single Nvidia card like Titan with smooth gameplay or SLI configurations rather than deal with the horrible stuttering AMD have. So this driver ghost will be a monkey on their backs for a long time. So this have hurt their reputation bigtime.

I don`t feel very sorry for them either, they brought this upon themselves. Well there is another side to this story though. Nvidia is in a much better situation financial wise than AMD so they can afford to have a big driver team to work on drivers and development. But in the end its AMDs fault for pushing out failed products which didn`t net them the profit they need. I`m especially looking at the CPU department...

 

[chimaxi83]

Oh look, an actual, live, NV fanboy circle jerk! You guys high fiving each other?

 

[Lonyo]

Why does it matter anyway? People have always the AMD cards to buy if the price tag on Nvidia cards scare you away.

I was only saying that Nvidia could make a hell lot of money on a high price tag since their profit is bigger, than AMD who maybe sell a ton of GPU x with very little profit.

There are people here who thinks its the other way around. That since the AMD GPUs are cheaper it also means that they make more money.

Just look at their financials:
Nvidia GPU Division revenue FY 2013: 3.25 billions - Source
AMD GPU Division 2012 (2013): 1.5 billions (added 400 million for last quarter) - Source


People think AMD make so much money on GPUs. They do profit from it, but they are not getting rich from it.
Q1 2012 GPU division net income: $34million
Q2 2012 GPU division net income: $31million
Q3 2012 GPU division net income: $18million
Q4 2012 GPU division net income: $22million

But just as an comparison, look at what the CPU division is doing.

Q1 2012 CPU division net income: $124million
Q2 2012 CPU division net income: $82million
Q3 2012 CPU division net income: -$150million
Q4 2012 CPU division net income: -$323million
Source 1, Source 2, Source 3

Those numbers don't really mean anything at all, since it all depends on how they allocate expenses.
They could be shifting R&D expenses from GPU to CPU, or from CPU to GPU to make one or the other seem better.
Where do you expense your APU R&D expenses? CPU, GPU, or split it? If you split it, how do you split it?

Those numbers just show performance relative to last year, pretty much, maybe the last two years, but can't be compared to Intel or NV or older AMD numbers pre-APU.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Well some place they are losing BIG money. Most of it is obviously from the CPUs, but there is no doubt that the GPUs isn`t netting them a whole lot (which I showed) which is why they lost over 1 billion dollars last year despite closing down branches and restructuring the company.

I honestly don`t belive they used much money on R&D either, since the software side is mediocre or bad at best. Money is tight, so they don`t have much money to splash around either. Like I said, they brought this upon themselves.

 

[Wreckem]

Nice Red herring. Where are the sales numbers?

They are selling reasonably well for a niche product.

Stock pops up from time to time at various online shops(Newegg, TigerDirect, Amazon, etc) and the EVGA store. Then you have some say its in stock, but then have, will ship in 10-14 days(NCIX) when trying to add it to cart. Then you have all the no name/never heard of places listing above/well above MSRP.

 

[Cloudfire777]

They are outsold on Newegg, Amazon and EVGA.

 

[wand3r3r]

Yeah, they can be trickling them in at single digits. It doesn't mean squat to speculate and make up claims...

Outsold doesn't even mean anything in the context you use it in.

At the 7990 talk, I think it's based on the Malta core, not the 7970. There's also the driver rewrite which they seem to be waiting for before releasing it. Nice speculation based off of no data as usual.
Whether or not it fixes crossfire remains to be seen, but keep giving nvidia a reacharound.

 

[notty22]

It's not Malta core, by the way. It's Malta video card. AMD has given codenames to it's dual gpu products the last few generations. I have seen no evidence there is a new core, I have seen references to 2- 7970's being used.

BF4 Demo running on AMD Radeon HD 7990 'Malta' Video Card


AMD Radeon HD 6990 Review: Antilles Has Arrived


amd 5970 codename Hemlock

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Yeah, they can be trickling them in at single digits. It doesn't mean squat to speculate and make up claims...

Outsold doesn't even mean anything in the context you use it in.

It means they're selling enough not to keep them in stock.

Sure there are no numbers on it, but then that would be speculation, like saying they're trickling in when you really have no idea.

 

[Cloudfire777]

The yields at TSMC have been good for Nvidia for about 6 months now. It is a totally different situation today compared to when GTX 690 was out. It was sold out because they had horrible GK104 production when it started, and the relationship between TSMC and Nvidia was really bad.

So Nvidia is producing and shipping Titan 24/7 plus they had a storage from the GK110s that didn`t make the cut for Tesla.

 

[wand3r3r]

It's not Malta core, by the way. It's Malta video card. AMD has given codenames to it's dual gpu products the last few generations. I have seen no evidence there is a new core, I have seen references to 2- 7970's being used.

BF4 Demo running on AMD Radeon HD 7990 'Malta' Video Card


AMD Radeon HD 6990 Review: Antilles Has Arrived


amd 5970 codename Hemlock

Ok I guess I have misunderstood that. I read an article not to long ago and it said following in the footsteps of New Zealand which I understood to be a successor to something... So I understood the card to be using a new core somehow (like the 7790).


http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/30892-reference-radeon-hd-7990-pixellized

According what we can see from various pictures all around the net, the new Radeon HD 7990 will be following in the footsteps of New Zealand based HD 7990 graphics cards that we had a chance to see from TUL and its Powercolor, VTX3D and Club3D partners as well as the Asus' Ares II graphics card.

 

[wand3r3r]

It means they're selling enough not to keep them in stock.

Sure there are no numbers on it, but then that would be speculation, like saying they're trickling in when you really have no idea.

Yeah that was exactly my point. Some are trying to claim they are selling like crazy (cloudfire particularly) so I was saying they can be trickling them in. Hth can he know? Making it up on the fly to support his employer or sponsor or an overly serious fanboi. Speculation should be labeled as such.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I don't care how titan sells as long as AMD can give me great bang for the buck like they did with my 7950 with two games. I'm sure titan is a beast of a card and fun as heck to own.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Ok I guess I have misunderstood that.

Not the first thing you speak and have no idea about. But its a good start admitting you are wrong.

You can follow up and go to the other Titan thread where you said "Average joes aren't doing CUDA/GPU programming" in the same thread where the OP was discussing just that. Where many Average Joe came to suggest 7970 was a better idea although OP specifically explained his workload is highly CUDA based.

I don`t know where you went to school, but I`m gonna take a stab at it and guess you were very bad at math and logic.

 

[wand3r3r]

Personal attacks bla bla

Oh boy when all else fails just resort to whining.

Your highly intelligent post, nothing mentioned about CUDA.

This forum frightens me. Its so full of Average Joe`s that is strongly pulled toward AMD that have no idea how things really work in the real world.

Thankfully you're here to educate. How do things work in the "real" world?

Average joes aren't doing CUDA/GPU programming, again, how does the real world affect the average joe such that titan is good performance for the $ or whatever you are trying to promote?

The OP finds some benefit, sure, but you're claiming the average joe is ignorant and uneducated, please enlighten us.

You still haven't answered the simple question. Enlighten us.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Are you serious that lost that you can`t read it from the posts? I even gave you a hint in that thread, which you responded with your usual nonsense. I don`t know if you really are trolling or not but I can post OP`s post again to see if you can make it this time

Now stop wasting my time with your nonsense

7970 is a non factor,, unless we get like literally 100 cards for free we will probably never switch to AMD. Our codebase is CUDA and it not economical to switch to OpenCL. We also heavily invested into NVIDIA's libraries (thrust, cublas, etc..) which OpenCL may or may not have similar alternatives.

DP performance actually means nothing in our line of work, we stick to SP.

Actually, we found the performance has high variance, really depends on what you are doing. If your model allows you to fit most of your number crunching in the (smaller) Kepler cache, we notice a significant delta in performance over cache spilling... the delta can be ~30% although we haven't measured too hard on this. This is of course highly dependent on your nature of work.