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BallaTheFeared

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3DMark is also a low res bench on P.

That said it's quite impressive to see a laptop doing those clocks, although it might be better to call it a lapbrick.
 

NTMBK

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680M = 1344 Stream Processors @ 720MHz with 256-bit memory bus
Titan = 2688 Stream Processors @ 837MHz (876MHz boost) with 384-bit memory bus

Add on top of that SLI scaling and a single Titan is faster.

The 680m has a 256-bit memory bus per chip, sure... but there are two chips, doubling the effective bandwidth of the system. The SLI system as a whole effectively has a 512-bit memory bus.
 

RussianSensation

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It's not estimation but real world testing. Read again what I wrote until it sinks in. I had both the titan and sli 680 and at 1440p the sli 680m is faster when both are overclocked on air.

Feel free to add in more bs while completely ignoring real world results.

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A 680M is slower than a GTX660. Unless you overclocked yours 40-50%, it's miles slower than a GTX670. In some games coming out the Titan destroys a single 670. Looking at where 660 sits and how much a 680M needs to be overclocked to match a stock 670, at 2560x1440/1600 with AA, in some games, the Titan OC would beat 680M SLI even if you overclocked those 30%.

The higher the resolution goes, the more of 680M SLI would lose against the Titan.

The 680m has a 256-bit memory bus per chip, sure... but there are two chips, doubling the effective bandwidth of the system. The SLI system as a whole effectively has a 512-bit memory bus.

That's not how it works. At Adam's resolution, in some games 680M SLI would need a 65%+ overclock on the memory to even touch the Titan because you'd need GTX670 SLI to match it.



In Tomb Raider, the Titan smokes a 680 and a 680M is not even in the same ballpark as a 680. Desktop 680 is 64% faster on average than 680M (235 VP vs. 143 VP).



Same story with games like Metro 2033.



5150Joker, this is exactly like the last time when you tried to argue with us on these boards that modern laptops are almost as fast as desktops when in reality you need to overclock a 680M 40%+ to just match a stock 670.

680M gets its ass kicked in GPU demanding games where the Titan actually excels. 680M loses in those to a downclocked HD7870 aka HD7970M:

"Radeon HD 7970M performs more smoothly in Far Cry 3 (+15 %), Hitman: Absolution (+22 %), Sleeping Dogs (+28 %), and Max Payne 3 (+32 %)."
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Update-Radeon-HD-7970M-vs-GeForce-GTX-680M.87744.0.html

The Titan at stock speeds would beat 680M SLI at 2560x1440/1600 with AA in a lot of games because it's 90-100% faster than a stock 660. Unless you had some magical laptop that didn't throttle or overheat with a 30-50% GPU and CPU overclocks, there is no chance 680M SLi can beat a Titan OC with a heavily overclocked desktop 6-core CPU in "every game". A stock Titan is 2x faster than GTX660 in some games and yet GTX660 > 680M.

 
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5150Joker

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Lol look at this fool going on and on. I don't need to pull desktop graphs and speculate. I tested both and 680m sli with the unlocked vbios is faster than an oc titan with both on air. Keep posting nonsense until you get tired.

READ what I'm writing about the unlocked vbios until it sinks into your thick skull.
 

RussianSensation

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Lol look at this fool going on and on. I don't need to pull desktop graphs and speculate. I tested both and 680m sli with the unlocked vbios is faster than an oc titan with both on air. Keep posting nonsense until you get tired.

READ what I'm writing about the unlocked vbios until it sinks into your thick skull.

So you have a 2560x1440 laptop with 680M SLI now? I clearly show Titan being 2x faster than GTX670 in Company of Heroes 2. That alone disproves that 680M SLI can beat Titan in "every game" because you'd need to overclock the memory on 680M 65% to get to 670's memory bandwidth and the GPU clock almost 40%. You expect people on this forum to believe you had oveclocked 2x 680M 40% on the core and 65% on the memory on air in a laptop, and the CPU was also overclocked? Was your laptop dipped in liquid nitrogen? And that's only enough to match a stock Titan in CoH2. In some games where Titan excels, the 680M loses by 15-30% to a 7970M for crying out loud. HD7970M is slower than a 7870. You expect people to ignore those tests too?

My guess is you are comparing 680M SLi on a 1080P laptop against Titan on a 2560x1440 monitor. In that case sure the 680M SLI OC on your previous laptop is faster than Titan on a 1440P desktop monitor. Such a comparison is completely misleading however and is not how Adam was comparing the 2 setups.

You seem to also be ignoring that 680M has a voodoo power rating from games in reviews. 670 is 50% faster than 680M and in some games it takes 670SLI to match a stock Titan. Please explain to everyone here how your 680M could overcome a 50% performance deficit against a desktop 670 in the first place? Or you are just going to keep telling us you tested games and we are expected to believe that?
 
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BallaTheFeared

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Just a heads up RS, that 1.0 benchmark for Tomb Raider isn't relevant anymore since it's been updated and drivers came out.

680 is faster than the GHz last I checked, though I guess all cards from Nvidia probably gained similarly.
 

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So you have a 2560x1440 laptop with 680M SLI now? I clearly show Titan being 2x faster than GTX670 in Company of Heroes 2. That alone disproves that 680M SLI can beat Titan in "every game" because you'd need to overclock the memory on 680M 65% to get to 670's memory bandwidth and the GPU clock almost 40%. You expect people on this forum to believe you had oveclocked 2x 680M 40% on the core and 65% on the memory on air in a laptop, and the CPU was also overclocked? Was your laptop dipped in liquid nitrogen? And that's only enough to match a stock Titan in CoH2. In some games where Titan excels, the 680M loses by 15-30% to a 7970M for crying out loud. HD7970M is slower than a 7870. You expect people to ignore those tests too?

My guess is you are comparing 680M SLi on a 1080P laptop against Titan on a 2560x1440 monitor. In that case sure the 680M SLI OC on your previous laptop is faster than Titan on a 1440P desktop monitor. Such a comparison is completely misleading however and is not how Adam was comparing the 2 setups.

You seem to also be ignoring that 680M has a voodoo power rating from games in reviews. 670 is 50% faster than 680M and in some games it takes 670SLI to match a stock Titan. Please explain to everyone here how your 680M could overcome a 50% performance deficit against a desktop 670 in the first place? Or you are just going to keep telling us you tested games and we are expected to believe that?

Dear Comrade-

I just showed you some basic evidence (3dmark run) that shows the 680M SLI beating the Titan. Not only that, I have consistently mentioned to you that the 680M SLI has an unlocked vbios (you can find it on my site) which enables massive overclocks with no throttling or overheating. Repeat that last part in your head about 10 times and you might understand. You are talking out of your rear and no amount of graphs will convince me because I have the Titan and had the 680M SLI and know exactly what they are capable of achieving. You have neither and aren't worth talking to.

P.S. I'll have a buddy of mine who still has an M18x-R2 jump into this conversation and have him run some benchmarks against my titan in some popular DX 11 titles. That should shut you up once and for all..though I think you enjoy posting meaningless graphs to prove how clueless you are about mobile graphics cards.
 
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scooterlibby

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I just showed you some basic evidence (3dmark run) that shows the 680M SLI beating the Titan. Not only that, I have consistently mentioned to you that the 680M SLI has an unlocked vbios (you can find it on my site) which enables massive overclocks with no throttling or overheating. Repeat that last part in your head about 10 times and you might understand. You are talking out of your rear and no amount of graphs will convince me because I have the Titan and had the 680M SLI and know exactly what they are capable of achieving. You have neither and aren't worth talking to.

P.S. I'll have a buddy of mine who still has an M18x-R2 jump into this conversation and have him run some benchmarks against my titan in some popular DX 11 titles. That should shut you up once and for all..though I think you enjoy posting meaningless graphs so you'll keep at it.

Why didn't you address the question as to what resolution you are running the 680m SLI vs. the Titan? I have no dog in this fight, but in your entire reply you do not respond to what is the central question regarding your comparison.
 

5150Joker

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Why didn't you address the question as to what resolution you are running the 680m SLI vs. the Titan? I have no dog in this fight, but in your entire reply you do not respond to what is the central question regarding your comparison.


I did already, 1440p but he chose to ignore it. It beat the Titan in BOTH resolutions when I last tested it. He keeps comparing apples to oranges and tries to present it as some kind of proof. So instead, I'll bring in an M18x-R2 owner who will help confirm what I've been saying all along. Look, the Titan is an impressive card, if it weren't I wouldn't have built a system around it. However, that doesn't negate the fact that the M18x-R2 with an unlocked vbios and 680M SLI is equally impressive if not more so given its TDP and power constraints.

Just for fun, here's another M18x-R2 score from a guy who also has a Titan like me:

I'm sure he'll be told of this thread as well..he loves benchmarking so RS may be biting off more than he can chew.
 
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5150Joker

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Confirmed by posting various game benches right? Sounds good.

Games and synthetics, I'm sure neither of them will have a problem providing some examples. Both of them have extensive experience with benchmarking and they won't shy away from the numbers game. If I still had my M18x I'd have done it by now.
 

Wreckem

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I did already, 1440p but he chose to ignore it. It beat the Titan in BOTH resolutions when I last tested it. He keeps comparing apples to oranges and tries to present it as some kind of proof. So instead, I'll bring in an M18x-R2 owner who will help confirm what I've been saying all along. Look, the Titan is an impressive card, if it weren't I wouldn't have built a system around it. However, that doesn't negate the fact that the M18x-R2 with an unlocked vbios and 680M SLI is equally impressive if not more so given its TDP and power constraints.

Just for fun, here's another M18x-R2 score from a guy who also has a Titan like me:

I'm sure he'll be told of this thread as well..he loves benchmarking so RS may be biting off more than he can chew.

You are the one comparing apples to oranges. Hes comparing stock vs stock. You seem to be comparing modded/oced vs stock.

People are now running modded titans and running substantial overclocks, with no throttling etc.
 

5150Joker

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You are the one comparing apples to oranges. Hes comparing stock vs stock. You seem to be comparing modded/oced vs stock.

People are now running modded titans and running substantial overclocks, with no throttling etc.

Nope, I said OC vs OC on air. Read what I wrote. Mine on air with a modded bios with max OC doesn't hit 17k graphics. Even with the modded bios, they still throttle and clocks fluctuate, there's no fix for that. All those bios do is keep the voltage at 1.21v and allow you to set higher power limits.
 

5150Joker

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Yeah the desktop one that cloudfire posted had much higher physics and combined (as expected from a 3960X) but lower graphics score. So that just helps the 680M SLI's case even more. Remember the M18x-R2 uses a mobile cpu (4 cores), not an extreme desktop one with 6 cores.
 
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AnandThenMan

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Need to see some actual game benches, and the CPUs need to be at the same clocks, not stock versus overclocked.
 

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Big difference in CPU speeds there...

How is that relevant for GRAPHIC score? Unless the CPU used with Titan is bottlenecking it, which it doesn`t since its 3960X, the comparison is highly valid
You don`t get higher graphic score with a faster CPU unless the GPU is bottlenecked
 

Wreckem

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GTX 680M SLI OC: 18030 Graphic score http://forum.notebookreview.com/att...-benchmark-thread-part-2-3d11680m2960xm55.jpg
GTX Titan OC: 15827 Graphic score http://legitreviews.com/images/reviews/2144/titan-oc-93.jpg

Game set match. Joker is correct

Thats only in that one particular benchmark.

From the benchmarks I have seen. OC'ed titans beat OC'ed SLI'd 680Ms at other 3Dmark benchmarks(ice storm, fire strike, cloud gate etc). The only one the 680Ms win is the one you and Joker are posting(3dmark 11 performance). Caveat is I have yet to see an oced 680M SLI 3dMark 11 Extreme score.

The problem is the throttling. Most people are hitting throttling(and subsequently erratic down clocking) on the 3D Mark Performance test which is why the score is lower than the 680M SLI. It appears some have gotten around it. A non throttling titan scores higher than oc'ed 680Ms.

Nvidia will eventually correct the throttling/erratic down clocking issue. Hopefully sooner rather than later. If not I would expect litigation because even stock titans have throttling issues(not saying it would be successful but if they dont fix this issue, they will likely be sued).

I am looking forward to seeing the actual real world game benchmarks Joker said hed get his friend to do.
 
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AnandThenMan

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How is that relevant for GRAPHIC score? Unless the CPU used with Titan is bottlenecking it, which it doesn`t since its 3960X, the comparison is highly valid
You don`t get higher graphic score with a faster CPU unless the GPU is bottlenecked
Don't be daft. We need to see multiple game benches to properly compare, which means CPU speeds about the same to make a better comparison. Cherry picking a synthetic bench is not enough data. RS posted multiple benches, you need to do the same seeing you called him out (and resorted to insults in the process).
 

MrK6

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Don't be daft. We need to see multiple game benches to properly compare, which means CPU speeds about the same to make a better comparison. Cherry picking a synthetic bench is not enough data. RS posted multiple benches, you need to do the same seeing you called him out (and resorted to insults in the process).
I commend RS for putting up with some of the idiocy he deals with so professionally.

Yeah the desktop one that cloudfire posted had much higher physics and combined (as expected from a 3960X) but lower graphics score. So that just helps the 680M SLI's case even more. Remember the M18x-R2 uses a mobile cpu (4 cores), not an extreme desktop one with 6 cores.
One result doesn't make an argument. Post some more benchmarks and until then work on your decorum.
 
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