Title Change - "Two gay men in Texas fined for having sex"

[Texmaster]

<< Just goes to show you that our country is really messed up. Too many conservative spoon fed @ssholes in the government doing nothing good for the public. We are under the governments control, make no bones about it. We aren't free. When it's against the law to have gay sex in your own house you begin to see why we aren't free.

You have to start with your vote. Get current politicians out of office. You will never have a voice unless you vote and vote for someone that will change this.

There are a hundred and one stupid laws on the books everywhere. I guess these same cops could legally come over to my office building and arrest the owners because technically, there is no hitching post outside (which according to law is mandatory).

Stop throwing your vote away. >>



#1 Some people see homosexuality as morally wrong like it or not
#2 Try reading more about that hate filled website before you go believing it as factual.

 

[Jerboy]

<< OMG that's INSANE!!! I'm completely straight and I'm thinking about driving to Texas just to have sex with a guy on the courthouse steps in opposition. I mean, I know it's officially illegal to have oral or any 'unnatural' sex acts in many states, but nobody ACTUALLY enforces those laws...they just haven't bothered to take them off yet. This is sick and wrong!!! Yet one more reason to DESPISE the American government, judicial system, and many of its people (please note, I did not say anything about hating America itself, or the Constitution, so don't waste breath telling me love it or leave it). >>



It is INSANE that we have the government telling us what is okay and what isn't okay to do when they both agree to it.

 

[Czar]

http://208.178.40.143/cgi-bin/iowa/cases/record?record=93

Here is the case, just read it if you dont belive what usqueers have to say

 

[Czar]

Texmaster and potatosalad

Have you had any gay friends during your lifetime?

 

[Czar]

Oh yes, here is even the CNN news article about this

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

This thread is funny.

 

[Texmaster]

<< Texmaster and potatosalad

Have you had any gay friends during your lifetime? >>



I have hired 2 homosexuals directly because they were the most qualified for the job and yes I am friends with them.

I was friends with a guy in college who was homosexual.

How does this help your case? Are you so ignorant that you believe is someone disagrees with a lifestyle they automatically "hate" that person?

Now lets turn the table. Have you ever had conservative who differed with your positions strongly as a friend?

Why are you so hateful to people who disagree with you?

 

[Amused]

Good gawd this is outrageous.

What two consenting adults do in their own bedroom is NONE of anyone's business.

And after doing volunteer work with HIV positive people for over ten years, and can verify that HIV is not restricted to homosexuals, nor is it a gay disease.

There has been gay people since the beginning of time. No amount of laws, prosecution or persecution has stopped it in the past, or is going to stop that now and in the future. If you want to minimize HIV in the homosexual population, instead of condemning them outright, condone monogamy among them.

As a hetero, the thought of two men having sex is as distasteful to me as the next straight guy, but I'm not so stupid as to think that whatever disgusts me should be illegal.

It's not gay sex that spreads HIV. It's promiscuous sex, hetero or gay. There is a 0% chance an HIV negative, monogamous gay (or straight) couple will ever spread HIV. When a person is condemned for their sexuality, and/or forced into the closet, chances are they'll never have a healthy, monogamous relationship.

Thankfully the US supreme court will more than likely overturn this conviction.

 

[royaldank]

<<
#1 Some people see homosexuality as morally wrong like it or not
#2 Try reading more about that hate filled website before you go believing it as factual. >>




#1 Some people do. Some people think using electricity on Saturday is morally wrong. That's why we elect our officals to represent us. I was only suggesting that you vote for someone that represents your beliefs.

#2 I never mentioned any website. And since it has been posted on at least three different sites, I figured it was probably credible. I'll investigate CNN and Yahoo for their hate filled articles later today.

 

[Czar]

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<< Texmaster and potatosalad

Have you had any gay friends during your lifetime? >>



I have hired 2 homosexuals directly because they were the most qualified for the job and yes I am friends with them.

I was friends with a guy in college who was homosexual.

How does this help your case? Are you so ignorant that you believe is someone disagrees with a lifestyle they automatically "hate" that person?

Now lets turn the table. Have you ever had conservative who differed with your positions strongly as a friend?

Why are you so hateful to people who disagree with you? >>



Ok then you are out of the image of hating gays.
I have on friend who lives in the US, who is extremely christian and doesnt care much about politics or being liberal or conservatives. Not my fault everyone I meet is liberal.
I´m not hateful about people disagreeing with me, I want people to disagree with me and I want people to agree with me. But this is not about agreeing or disagreeing this is about basic human rights, that all are equal.

 

[Texmaster]

<< Good gawd this is outrageous.

What two consenting adults do in their own bedroom is NONE of anyone's business.

And after doing volunteer work with HIV positive people for over ten years, and can verify that HIV is not restricted to homosexuals, nor is it a gay disease.

There has been gay people since the beginning of time. No amount of laws, prosecution or persecution has stopped it in the past, or is going to stop that now and in the future. If you want to minimize HIV in the homosexual population, instead of condemning them outright, condone monogamy among them.

As a hetero, the thought of two men having sex is as distasteful to me as the next straight guy, but I'm not so stupid as to think that whatever disgusts me should be illegal.

It's not gay sex that spreads HIV. It's promiscuous sex, hetero or gay. There is a 0% chance an HIV negative, monogamous gay (or straight) couple will ever spread HIV. When a person is condemned for their sexuality, and/or forced into the closet, chances are they'll never have a healthy, monogamous relationship.

Thankfully the US supreme court will more than likely overturn this conviction. >>



Amused One. Please READ the legal briefing before writing your opinion.

Police were responding to a report of an armed intruder they found the couple engaged in homosexual sex.

They were arrested BY LAW. Section 21.06 of the Texas Penal Law.

Now you may disagree with the LAW on the books, but police had every LEGAL right to do what they did.

 

[potatosalad]

Left to their own devices, gay men seek promiscuity.

This societywide trend has been confirmed by numerous studies.

When you talk about a monogamous gay couple, you are talking about a statistical anomaly.

 

[JonnyDuke]

Anyone else notice that the CNN page is THREE YEARS OLD!!!!!!! :disgust:

 

[GTaudiophile]

<< Now lets turn the table. Have you ever had conservative who differed with your positions strongly as a friend? >>



Brilliant, Tex!

To stir up the storm a little, here's a page on what the Bible has to say about it all. Some people actually still try to follow it.

 

[Texmaster]

<<
#1 Some people see homosexuality as morally wrong like it or not
#2 Try reading more about that hate filled website before you go believing it as factual. >>






<< #1 Some people do. Some people think using electricity on Saturday is morally wrong. That's why we elect our officals to represent us. I was only suggesting that you vote for someone that represents your beliefs. >>



That comparison is laughable considering how many more people see homosexuality as wrong compared to your example of using electricity on Saturadays. Nice shot at religion though on your part.



<< #2 I never mentioned any website. And since it has been posted on at least three different sites, I figured it was probably credible. I'll investigate CNN and Yahoo for their hate filled articles later today. >>



But what PARTS are credible? Thats the problem with that site.

Czar finally found the legal document about the case and it states quite clearly, the police followed the law PERIOD. Now if you disagree with that law, thats another story.

 

[Czar]

<< Anyone else notice that the CNN page is THREE YEARS OLD!!!!!!! :disgust: >>


Thats because that is when it happened, since then its been going through the legal system, takes a bit of time

 

[Texmaster]

CZAR

That is a flat out LIE you have updated on this opening post.

I never said the court case was not true, not once.

What I questioned was the commentary by the webiste and now that you have posted the LEGAL document, I have been proven correct.


Please correct your first post.

 

[Amused]

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<< Thankfully the US supreme court will more than likely overturn this conviction. >>



Amused One. Please READ the legal briefing before writing your opinion.

Police were responding to a report of an armed intruder they found the couple engaged in homosexual sex.

They were arrested BY LAW. Section 21.06 of the Texas Penal Law.

Now you may disagree with the LAW on the books, but police had every LEGAL right to do what they did. >>



Tex, did I say it was the police I disagree with? Of course I disagree with the law. Hopefully, the US Supreme Court will, too. State law is not automatically Constitutional.

Calm down.

 

[GTaudiophile]

<< Not my fault everyone I meet is liberal. >>



I love how the liberal community preaches tolerance and diversity, but when it comes to accepting Christians and Conservatives, the rule doesn't apply.

It is your fault!

 

[Czar]

Texmaster


<< Czar finally found the legal document about the case and it states quite clearly, the police followed the law PERIOD. Now if you disagree with that law, thats another story. >>


I am not saying that the police did anything wrong, this thread is about the laws being wrong and most of all stupid. There are plenty of stupid laws that are "laws" but no one enforces them. Like here in iceland, there is a law about it being illegal to be drunk in public, but its a stupid law and no one follows them.

 

[royaldank]

<< Czar finally found the legal document about the case and it states quite clearly, the police followed the law PERIOD. Now if you disagree with that law, thats another story. >>



I understand that. In my first post, I was merely suggesting a solution. I never said they shouldn't have been arrested, or it was unlawful to arrest them. I just think people bitching need to realize that it's politicians that are doing this. The judge that ruled on the case was probably either elected or placed there by an elected offical. People need to realize that the people we elect are responsible for this.

 

[PrinceofWands]

You know what....I have no idea what I ever did before the internet. So much fun to be had.

Seriously though, I know you all have your opinions, and yes, statistically gays seem to be more at risk...but it isn't the homosexuality that does it, it's the promiscuity, the unsafe practices and the fear of rejection/attack.

When I was in the military there was the cliche - gays aren't allowed because if anyone found out you were gay it could damage your career so you could be blackmailed to keep it a secret. I always responded, then just be open and make it ok and then you can't be blackmailed anymore. This was promptly followed by the 'old boy' telling me to STFU and get out of 'HIS' military.

Unsafe sex does spread AIDS, as does IV needles, transfusions and other ways. To say that gay sex should be illegal because it will help reduce AIDS is ignorant to the extreme, and more than that it is most likely a rationalization for personal homophobia or beliefs. You can dislike it all you want, but our government CAN NOT dictate private practices like this to us, and it will indeed be overturned by the supreme court.

As for the website, I don't give a DA&N who posts a fact, a fact is a fact. If I go on that site and post the sky is blue will you immediately insist it's purple just because???? Come on, let's at least show a marginal IQ, just to keep things interesting.

In the meantime, thank you all for brightening my morning by showing me there are still people like you in the world to decimate in debate.

 

[Texmaster]

<< Ok then you are out of the image of hating gays. >>




LOL What like I need your approval?

This is CLASSIC liberal elitism right here, thinking I need your blessing before proving I'm not a bigot. LOL



<< I have on friend who lives in the US, who is extremely christian and doesnt care much about politics or being liberal or conservatives. Not my fault everyone I meet is liberal. >>



LOL I rest my case.




<< I´m not hateful about people disagreeing with me, I want people to disagree with me and I want people to agree with me. But this is not about agreeing or disagreeing this is about basic human rights, that all are equal. >>



So you are NOT friends with people who have vastly different opinions than yours what a shocker.

On the tolerant scale, you have a long way to go.

 

[Texmaster]

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<< Thankfully the US supreme court will more than likely overturn this conviction. >>



Amused One. Please READ the legal briefing before writing your opinion.

Police were responding to a report of an armed intruder they found the couple engaged in homosexual sex.

They were arrested BY LAW. Section 21.06 of the Texas Penal Law.

Now you may disagree with the LAW on the books, but police had every LEGAL right to do what they did. >>



Tex, did I say it was the police I disagree with? Of course I disagree with the law. Hopefully, the US Supreme Court will, too. State law is not automatically Constitutional.

Calm down. >>




I'm very calm. And yes you did say you disagreed with the police if you believe this conviction should be overturned. Its the LAW in Texas and in many other states as well.

 

[Amused]

<< Left to their own devices, gay men seek promiscuity.

This societywide trend has been confirmed by numerous studies.

When you talk about a monogamous gay couple, you are talking about a statistical anomaly. >>



The problem is, gay men are NOT left to their own devices. They are shunned and persecuted. Their relationships are held as invalid. Their only safe haven is gay bars and nightclubs. Because of constant shunning, they have a needy and twisted sense of love that leads them down the same course any similarly treated woman goes down. They see attention and sex as love.

Society has spent thousands of years promoting monogamy among heterosexuals, and still most people are not 100% monogamous. Yet society has never promoted monogamy among gays and lesbians. What the fvck would you expect?