Title Change - "Two gay men in Texas fined for having sex"

[HardcoreRobot]

A couple things no one has brought up yet (as far as I can see).

First of all, HIV is more prevalent in the gay community, but do you know why? It is NOT because they are homosexual. A main reason for this is the fact that many homosexual men did not think they needed to use condoms because there was no risk of pregnancy. No condom = greater chance for transmission of STDs as we all know. Now, if all the heterosexual sex that has been going on was also done unprotected, one would imagine the incidence of AIDS in the heterosexual community would be much greater.

Secondly, the laws in Texas state that SODOMY is illegal. This means anal sex between man and man, or man and woman. This brings up more concerns about the government regulating personal behavior that more of you may be able to relate to.

On a side note, dildos are also illegal to sell, purchase, or own in Texas. To get past this restricting they are technically referred to as Anatomically Correct Condom Demonstration Models. There are some articles on this, I can probably dig them up if anyone cares that much.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Pototasalad.

Male Homosexuals are BY FAR the MOST Promiscous, On the other hand FEMALE homosexuals are THE LEAST Promiscous. Heterosexuals fall in the middle.

now, it is PROMISCIOUITY that is the HIGHEST RISK factor for aids. so should all the women become Homosexual, and leave the rest of us hetero guys w/ no partners??

according to you, this would be the best way of eliminating aids. because once again, if Male Homosexuals have fall under HIGHEST RISK factor for aids, heteros would be 2nd, leaving the Female homosexuals at a distant third.

the biggest problem i have with MOST HOMOPHOBES is that they only hate Male homosexuals. they seem to think either, female homosexuality is OK or it doesn't exist.

 

[Ameesh]

<< Look, if they have a law on the books, there must be a reason to have them.

Maybe Texas is trying to clamp down on the spread of AIDS.

Are you pro-AIDS? Is that why you support illegal gay sex? >>




potatoe salad you are such a complete moron

 

<< I think that answers the question about bias and who is the true person with a diversity issue. He's in ICELAND for God's sake. I have good money that not only do I have FAR more ethnic friends than he has but I also tolerate more people and more opinions than he ever can >>



Id have to disagree here. Your posts never support that theory, don't be too quick to put your hard earned money on that. Texas is not very ethnically diversified.
I would say if anything, Iceland is thrice as trevelled with non-americans then texas is.



<< But Michael is absolutely right that we have ZERO knowledge as to the history of these two or any past record that would be important. >>


Like their past history has anything to do with getting arrested for homosexual intercourse. What would their file say? "Has been apprehended multiple times for homosexual contact" Yup, a repeat SEX offender, send em off to jail.

Can someone check if Oral sex is legal in Texas or any other state for that matter. Someone needs to drop a dime.
Remember, if you break the LAW, you are a CRIMINAL, and should be APPREHENDED!

 

[Michael]

SammySon - Actually, their past record does make a difference. One change in policing that has been very effective is targeting criminals with all and any violations of law that can be proved. If the two men in question have a criminal history, and especially if one was a prostitute, this may simply be a case of the police doing what they could to bring charges.

That has nothing to do with wether or not the law is a good one, which is an another issue.

Also, if the law is against sodomy and not homosexual sex, then Czar's title is wrong again.

Michael

edit - title changed to something better. Thanks, Czar.

 

[TheBlondOne]

That's ridiculous. It's not that I condone that behavior, but the government can NOT say who people can and cannot have sex with. That is just WRONG.

--Sarah

 

[gopunk]

the biggest problem i have with MOST HOMOPHOBES is that they only hate Male homosexuals.

this to me is sheer stupidity. if anything, guys should hate lesbians... gays reduce competition, whereas lesbians decrease the pool of women to choose from.

 

[PlatinumGold]

the biggest problem i have with MOST HOMOPHOBES is that they only hate Male homosexuals.

this to me is sheer stupidity. if anything, guys should hate lesbians... gays reduce competition, whereas lesbians decrease the pool of women to choose from.


on the whole your probably right gopunk . but truth is most homophobes are also arrogant/stupid enough to think the can "convert" gay women.

 

[Michael]

TheBlondOne - Does the government have the right to tell you how fast you're allowed to drive? Does it have the right to tell you that your children must be schooled? Does it have the right to tax you and then spend money on areas you compeltely disagree with?

I bet it has the "right" to pass a law against sodomy as well. The good news is that laws can be repeled.

Michael (who also disagrees with the law, but that's a different issue than the government having the "right" to pass it)

 

[mithrandir2001]

<< Does the government have the right to tell you how fast you're allowed to drive? Does it have the right to tell you that your children must be schooled? Does it have the right to tax you and then spend money on areas you compeltely disagree with?

I bet it has the "right" to pass a law against sodomy as well. The good news is that laws can be repeled. >>


First question: they say speed laws are about "safety". If somebody drives 150 down a residential street, you can say they are threatening peoples lives.

Second question: they say they are protecting those who cannot protect themselves (children). If somebody doesn't send their kid to school, you can say they are denying the child's irrevocable right to an education.

Third question: they are given this right by the 16th Amendment. If somebody doesn't pay their taxes, you can say that they are injuring the government's ability to provide "necessary" services.

Sodomy: this is merely a subjective morality issue which has no business being constrained federal/state law. If your gay neighbors had private sex last night, you cannot say any harm was done to you or anybody else.

 

[Cyberian]

<< First of all, HIV is more prevalent in the gay community, but do you know why? It is NOT because they are homosexual. A main reason for this is the fact that many homosexual men did not think they needed to use condoms >>

Surely you jest.
I guess people still smoke because they don't know it's bad for their health.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

<< Surely you jest.
I guess people still smoke because they don't know it's bad for their health. >>



I was saying that in all seriousness. The prevalence of HIV in the homosexual male community is not bc of their actions TODAY, its the result of decades of promiscuity. Imagine you are a gay male sometime before the outbreak of HIV. Why would you bother to use a condom? As I understand it, only recently have condoms come into practice to prevent disease. Before they were mainly used as a contraceptive.

Your smoking quote illustrates my point. Of course, in TODAYS society everyone knows smoking is bad. But what about before? What about before all the media hoopla and the lawsuits? People didnt know and they paid for it. (athough I dont know how one can imagine that smoking isnt harmful...).

 

[gopunk]

on the whole your probably right gopunk . but truth is most homophobes are also arrogant/stupid enough to think the can "convert" gay women.

hehehe...... that's pretty stupid. you have to be at least as desirable as me to be able to do that

 

[datalink7]

I was kind of reading the beginning, and saw the posts about AIDS being predominantly a "gay" spread disease, and so jumped to the end to respond (so sorry if this has already been stated). Here are some facts about Aids. I bolded the interesting one:

HIV/AIDS WORLDWIDE

As of the end of 2000, an estimated 36.1 million people worldwide ? 34.7 million adults and 1.4 million children younger than 15 years ? were living with HIV/AIDS. More than 70 percent of these people (25.3 million) live in Sub-Saharan Africa; another 16 percent (5.8 million) live in South and Southeast Asia.(1)

Worldwide, approximately one in every 100 adults aged 15 to 49 is HIV-infected. In Sub-Saharan Africa, about 8.8 percent of all adults in this age group are HIV-infected. In 16 African countries, the prevalence of HIV infection among adults aged 15 to 49 exceeds 10 percent.(1,2)

Approximately 47 percent of adults living with HIV/AIDS worldwide are women.(1)

An estimated 5.3 million new HIV infections occurred worldwide during 2000; that is, about 15,000 infections each day. More than 95 percent of these new infections occurred in developing countries.(1)

In 2000, more than 6,500 young people aged 15 to 24 became infected with HIV every day ? that is, about five every minute.(1)

Through 2000, cumulative HIV/AIDS-associated deaths worldwide numbered approximately 21.8 million ? 17.5 million adults and 4.3 million children younger than 15 years.(1)

In 2000 alone, HIV/AIDS-associated illnesses caused the deaths of approximately 3 million people worldwide, including an estimated 500,000 children younger than 15 years.(1)

An estimated 13.2 million children younger than age 15 had lost their mothers or both parents by the end of 1999.(2)

Worldwide, more than 80 percent of all adult HIV infections have resulted from heterosexual intercourse.(1,2)

Mother-to-child (vertical) transmission has accounted for more than 90 percent of all HIV infections worldwide in infants and children.(1,2)

 

[MeanMeosh]

so what's wrong with that website (uqueers or whatever, i'm going by what has been written in the posts, didnt visit the site) posting text about wanting people to die? i seem to remember several atot members posting links to games and photoshopped pics of osama bin laden dying a painful death and "better dead than alive" style wanted posters for bin laden?

 

[Michael]

mithrandir2001 - Actually, sodomy, especially unprotected sodomy (anal sex) is dangerous. Probably more dangerous than speeding. So you could argue that the government is protecting people by banning it. Otherwise, you're basically agreeing with me. The government, which we elect, has the authority to pass laws. The courts, all the way to the Supreme Courts can all will judge if the laws are constitutional. If they are, they're as legal as any other law that is passed.

Michael

 

[mithrandir2001]

<< mithrandir2001 - Actually, sodomy, especially unprotected sodomy (anal sex) is dangerous. Probably more dangerous than speeding. So you could argue that the government is protecting people by banning it. >>


Are you talking hypothetically or literally? If unprotected sodomy is so dangerous that the government needs to intervene, then you better ban smoking, drinking and living in Los Angeles (bad air) as well.


<< Otherwise, you're basically agreeing with me. The government, which we elect, has the authority to pass laws. The courts, all the way to the Supreme Courts can all will judge if the laws are constitutional. If they are, they're as legal as any other law that is passed. >>


Of course the government has the authority to pass laws. But just because a law is on the books doesn't mean it is constitutional. Thanks to financial and time constraints, many bad laws in this country will never get the chance to be challenged by the U.S. Supreme Court.

For example, Pennsylvania has an (unconstitutional) law that bans the advertisement of alcoholic drink specials by bars in college newspapers. This is an infringement on First Amendment freedoms, but the logistics of getting a constantly rotating student editorial staff to challenge the law keeps it on the books. The newspapers aren't harmed enough to put up a fight since the bars just advertise the entertainment now (meaning, ad money hasn't decreased significantly), but this is clearly a loss of freedom by bars to advertise to their lawful customers. It's bad law, government is allowed to create law, but it's not always feasible to invoke the "checks and balances" through judicial review.

Sodomy laws fall into this area. They probably aren't challenged because people do what they damn please in their bedrooms and there isn't much the government can do.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

<< mithrandir2001 - Actually, sodomy, especially unprotected sodomy (anal sex) is dangerous. Probably more dangerous than speeding. So you could argue that the government is protecting people by banning it. Otherwise, you're basically agreeing with me. The government, which we elect, has the authority to pass laws. The courts, all the way to the Supreme Courts can all will judge if the laws are constitutional. If they are, they're as legal as any other law that is passed. >>



You cant compare speeding to sodomy. Speeding is regulated because it endangers other people, not just those who are speeding. Sodomy only endangers those who participate in it, and in this case, consensually. I believe it is a fundamental right to be able to put yourself in danger whenever you damn feel like it. I never asked the government to protect me from myself. Thats my responsibility.

 

[Jeff7]

That is just pathetic. Victimless crimes - an oxymoron. How is it a crime if there's no victims?

 

[MustPost]

technically speeking, I believe lots of states have laws against gay sex.
Im pretty sure I read an article saying that Massachusetts has some.
There almost never enfoced, but still.

 

[flawedecision]

Worldwide, more than 80 percent of all adult HIV infections have resulted from heterosexual intercourse.(1,2)



We aren't talking about worldwide statistics. If you want to mix the continent of Africa into the equation then of course the statistics are going to be weighted differently.

I was referring to the United States specifically... because I believe we have the most educated population in terms of AIDs awareness.... and we have the most access to a variety of mechanisms to prevent STD transmission during intercourse.

The rest of the world is a different story.

 

[SuperCyrix]

gay people shouldn't have sex in public

 

[Platypus]

Oh well, I guess ignorance will never die. Fvck texas.

 

[Nefrodite]

HIV/AIDS IN THE UNITED STATES
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimate that 800,000 to 900,000 U.S. residents are living with HIV infection, one-third of whom are unaware of their infection.(3,4)


Approximately 40,000 new HIV infections occur each year in the United States, about 70 percent among men and 30 percent among women. Of these newly infected people, half are younger than 25 years of age.(5,6)


Of new infections among men in the United States, CDC estimates that approximately 60 percent of men were infected through homosexual sex, 25 percent through injection drug use, and 15 percent through heterosexual sex. Of newly infected men, approximately 50 percent are black, 30 percent are white, 20 percent are Hispanic, and a small percentage are members of other racial/ethnic groups.(6)


Of new infections among women in the United States, CDC estimates that approximately 75 percent of women were infected through heterosexual sex and 25 percent through injection drug use. Of newly infected women, approximately 64 percent are black, 18 percent are white, 18 percent are Hispanic, and a small percentage are members of other racial/ethnic groups.(6)


In the United States, 774,467 cases of AIDS had been reported to the CDC through December 31, 2000.(3)


The estimated number of new adult/adolescent AIDS cases diagnosed in the United States was 49,691 in 1997, 42,955 in 1998, and 41,680 in 1999.(3)


In 2000, 41,960 new cases of AIDS in adults/adolescents were reported in the United States. In the same year, 196 new pediatric (<13 years old) AIDS cases were reported.(3)


The rate of adult/adolescent AIDS cases reported in the United States in 2000 (per 100,000 population) was 74.2 among blacks, 30.4 among Hispanics, 12.7 among American Indians/Alaska Natives, 7.9 among whites, and 4.3 among Asians/Pacific Islanders.(3)


From 1985 to 2000, the proportion of adult/adolescent AIDS cases in the United States reported in women increased from 7 percent to 25 percent.(3)


As of the end of 2000, an estimated 322,685 people in the United States were living with AIDS.(5)


As of December 31, 2000, 448,060 deaths among people with AIDS had been reported to the CDC.(3) AIDS is now the fifth leading cause of death in the United States among people aged 25 to 44, and is the leading cause of death for black men in this age group. Among black women in this age group, HIV ranks third.(7)


The estimated annual number of AIDS-related deaths in the United States fell approximately 67 percent from 1995 to 1999, from 50,877 deaths in 1995 to 16,767 deaths in 1999.(3)


Of the estimated 16,767 AIDS-related deaths in the United States in 1999, approximately 50 percent were among blacks, 30 percent among whites, 18 percent among Hispanics, and less than 1 percent among Asians/Pacific Islanders and American Indians/Alaska Natives.(3)

HIV/AIDS Statistics

HIV/AIDS WORLDWIDE
As of the end of 2000, an estimated 36.1 million people worldwide ? 34.7 million adults and 1.4 million children younger than 15 years ? were living with HIV/AIDS. More than 70 percent of these people (25.3 million) live in Sub-Saharan Africa; another 16 percent (5.8 million) live in South and Southeast Asia.(1)


Worldwide, approximately one in every 100 adults aged 15 to 49 is HIV-infected. In Sub-Saharan Africa, about 8.8 percent of all adults in this age group are HIV-infected. In 16 African countries, the prevalence of HIV infection among adults aged 15 to 49 exceeds 10 percent.(1,2)


Approximately 47 percent of adults living with HIV/AIDS worldwide are women.(1)


An estimated 5.3 million new HIV infections occurred worldwide during 2000; that is, about 15,000 infections each day. More than 95 percent of these new infections occurred in developing countries.(1)


In 2000, more than 6,500 young people aged 15 to 24 became infected with HIV every day ? that is, about five every minute.(1)


Through 2000, cumulative HIV/AIDS-associated deaths worldwide numbered approximately 21.8 million ? 17.5 million adults and 4.3 million children younger than 15 years.(1)


In 2000 alone, HIV/AIDS-associated illnesses caused the deaths of approximately 3 million people worldwide, including an estimated 500,000 children younger than 15 years.(1)


An estimated 13.2 million children younger than age 15 had lost their mothers or both parents by the end of 1999.(2)


Worldwide, more than 80 percent of all adult HIV infections have resulted from heterosexual intercourse.(1,2)


Mother-to-child (vertical) transmission has accounted for more than 90 percent of all HIV infections worldwide in infants and children.(1,2)
http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/aidsstat.htm

 

[Nefrodite]

so in conclusion, if you want to justify banning of gay sex because its risky behavior, ban blacks from having sex as they make up the majority of all new cases.

and yes, texas, land of the ignorant