to all you nonbelievers in religion

[AbsolutDealage]

Originally posted by: Lazy8s

Have your read the bible? obviously not. if you believe because there's "no harm in it so why not" then it doesn't count. like deathbed confessions, they don't count. Also, what if the bible is wrong and jews or muslims are right? then there would be plenty of harm in believing because you would go to hell for it.

Lern to troll noob.

Actually, according to the Christian faith, true deathbed conversions are perfectly valid. Ex. Luke 23:40-43

 

[mattpegher]

Although I was raised Catholic, my own beliefs do not adhere to any organized faith. I do agree that organized large scale religions tend to foster hatred for competing religions and this leads to conflict. This said I have always seen one problem with a world without religion.

On a large scale, without a fear of retribution, how does a society discourage undesirable, ie evil, acts especially those that go undetected by the legal system. Now I'm not saying that religious belief completely prevents this but on a large population scale, I just don't see anyway to discourage acts that the perpetrator believes that he/she can get away with.

 

[bandana163]

On a more serious note:

You may worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists, in which case you with have eternity with a beer volcano and a stripper factory.
You may worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist, in which case you gain nothing.
You may not worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist, in which case you gain nothing.
You may not worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists, in which case you will be condemned to a boring Hell with no beer volcanoes and strip factories.

Look for a difference between the claims above and the OP. You will find no such thing.

 

[McGyver]

stupid is what stupid does

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: mattpegher
On a large scale, without a fear of retribution, how does a society discourage undesirable, ie evil, acts especially those that go undetected by the legal system. Now I'm not saying that religious belief completely prevents this but on a large population scale, I just don't see anyway to discourage acts that the perpetrator believes that he/she can get away with.

It's called empathy. The true danger is someone who only behaves only because of fear of retribution. Of course, many religious people are unethical regardless, often justifying it with their god...

 

[ForumMaster]

*set's up lawn chair and some :beer:. let the stupidness begin!

as for the OP, how much more proof do you need for Darwin's Theory?

 

[mattpegher]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: mattpegher
On a large scale, without a fear of retribution, how does a society discourage undesirable, ie evil, acts especially those that go undetected by the legal system. Now I'm not saying that religious belief completely prevents this but on a large population scale, I just don't see anyway to discourage acts that the perpetrator believes that he/she can get away with.

It's called empathy. The true danger is someone who only behaves only because of fear of retribution. Of course, many religious people are unethical regardless, often justifying it with their god...

I like this thought. But what is empathy, is it biologic, is it strictly social pressure. Does it carry over to other races? other species? plants? Does it suggest some noncorporial connection?

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: ForumMaster
*set's up lawn chair and some :beer:. let the stupidness begin!

as for the OP, how much more proof do you need for Darwin's Theory?

Begin?
I believe it began at or around 09/11/2006 09:23 PM.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

loss of time
loss of money
living life by a false idol


all seem pretty terrible to me

 

[RU482]

believing in GOD does NOT equal believing in Jesus.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: Skeeedunt
I'm in as long as I don't have to do anything.

 

[kmrivers]

No one knows if God exists.

/thread

 

[MiniDoom]

Originally posted by: redly1
believing in GOD does NOT equal believing in Jesus.

Exactly, not to crap on Christianity, but I was raised Christian and found many problems with it. One I didn?t like the whole you are a sinner from birth and you could somehow fix that simply by accepting Jesus. No, you are born neutral and learn to choose right or wrong, Also the hell thing. If you are not Christian you go to hell. I don?t think Gandhi and Malcolm X are in hell. That kind of thought led me to be an agnostic for a long time. If you guys are interested or believe in one simple creator, you should look into B?nai Noah movement. It was the first monotheistic following (not an organized religion) older than Judaism and is very particle in today society. PM me if you want any info.

 

[theslickvik]

Originally posted by: confused1234
why dont you believe in the bible. what would happen if you keep convincing yourself that god doesnt exist only to find out when you die he does and you go to hell. so i say believe in god because if religion is wrong NO BAD can come form it and if religion is right so much good can come from it

the fvck with your evangelizing

 

[Kirby]

religious discussions and atot don't mix. i don't see why you even bother.

 

[Doom Machine]

religion threads should be banned from forums, opinions are so diverse they never...ever go anywhere nor solve anything and no ones opinion will change anyones mind.

to the thread starter...did you just make this thread to see how many posts it would get or what? lol i mean i can make a thread topic about worshiping the sun god and have a hundred responses..this is just stupid, people should stop respoding to these but then saying that makes me a hiporcite obviously

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: ForumMaster
*set's up lawn chair and some :beer:. let the stupidness begin!

as for the OP, how much more proof do you need for Darwin's Theory?

Science (and Evolution) and Christianity aren't mutually exclusive. Only extremists view it as different.

There seems to be a lot of extremeists nowadays though. And that is sad. Stupid Fundies. So ignorant to the big picture.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: kmrivers
No one knows if God exists.

/thread

Wrong. No one can prove that God exists.

There are plenty of people that "know" God exists from their personal experiences. Some even claim to have God speak to them directly (which might be possible, but highly improbable).

 

[Doom Machine]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: ForumMaster
*set's up lawn chair and some :beer:. let the stupidness begin!

as for the OP, how much more proof do you need for Darwin's Theory?

Evolution and Christianity aren't mutually exclusive. Only extremists view it as different.

There seems to be a lot of extremeists nowadays though. And that is sad. Stupid Fundies. So ignorant to the big picture.

lol and you dont think they think the same of you? its rather arragant to think your perspective is right, the proper view is the have a completely open mind and never limit your perspective

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

I love God and I love science as I am their go-between I can honestly state that all of you are going to the seventh circle there you shall roast in pure scientistic reason for eternity ... hmmm ... if time is a dimension can eternity exist to a mortal mind? .... HMMMM if God is omniscient and omnipresent why would She/He/It/subjectiveletteringtorepresentunrepresentableideology not be both real and not real and every religion be correct and incorrect simultaneously for human as co-creators through their observation of the universe helps manifest it (MMM quantum physics/string/M-theory) are both correct and incorrect simultaneously ... HMMM why do humans sleep if not to project the image of God as co-creators who can exist without body consciousness yet sleep is merely an evolved way for animals to quicken healing rest ...

HMMMMM I am an atheist who believes in God, intution, pure science, Wicca not necessarily in that order. MHHMMM Gollum HNMMHHHHMM

 

[oddyager]

I am my own God and I believe in myself so there.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Doom Machine

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: ForumMaster
*set's up lawn chair and some :beer:. let the stupidness begin!

as for the OP, how much more proof do you need for Darwin's Theory?

Evolution and Christianity aren't mutually exclusive. Only extremists view it as different.

There seems to be a lot of extremeists nowadays though. And that is sad. Stupid Fundies. So ignorant to the big picture.

lol and you dont think they think the same of you? its rather arragant to think your perspective is right, the proper view is the have a completely open mind and never limit your perspective

No, I don't think many have the same perspective which is sad. Our culture has shifted so much within the last 30-40 years.

I agree with the second statement fully. If what you believe is correct or true, then pursuit of truth in any form should not destroy your beliefs, rather it should bolster them. But if they do destroy your perspective, than your perspective was unsound in the first place.

BTW, it is spelled "arrogant".

**EDIT**

its rather arragant to think your perspective is right

BTW, that statement in and of itself is actually quite arrogant. The only way to live a life with real beliefs is to believe your viewpoints are the correct ones. The only difference is that you must weigh your beliefs by pursuing logic and truth.

You can definitely try to live your life with no beliefs whatsoever, but I guarantee you that that won't really be the case and you will be just fooling yourself. Plus, your life would become very shallow with little to NO belief structure.

 

[mattpegher]

Originally posted by: oddyager
I am my own God and I believe in myself so there.

I think therefore I am

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: mattpegher

Originally posted by: oddyager
I am my own God and I believe in myself so there.

I think therefore I am

Descartes walks into a bar, and the bartender recommends him a very fruity apple martini. Descartes goes, "I think not", and immediately disappears.

 

[mattpegher]

Ah but the bablefish proves the non-existence of god.