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KoolDrew

Lifer
Jun 30, 2004
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Some of you guys are idiots. Your judging most of your comments on running the game at really low resolutions like 1024x768 with no aa or af. Of course you are not going to see much of an increase. Look at some of the higher resolutions.. And as of right now the CPU is a huge bottleneck with 2x 6800U
 

BigJ

Lifer
Nov 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: Spikesoldier
Originally posted by: magomago
pay attention

notice how in 1600*1200 sli preformance is near double? It is because at lower resolutions the CPU is the bottleneck

That and if you buy SLI are you gaming 1600*1200 blasting AA and AF. Anything less would be absolutely idiotic.

I mean really...who spends ~1000 dolalrs on an SLI setup (assuming you need a new PSU) and games anything LESS than 1600*1200? That would be pathetic and absolutely ridiculous and a total waste of money...


bolded for effect. this is what i was going to post.

read and stfu, let the people who have money for SLI and who want to play at full max settings with full AA & AF on their 30" super lcd at like 323489023x3024382 resolution or whatever play it.

im glad that you have done your research and figured out that SLI isn't for you, but dont spout off and spread your crap all over the place.

 

KoolDrew

Lifer
Jun 30, 2004
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why are they using a 4000+ . . . they should fx-55 it and OC the sucker! CPU is the bottleneck!

I agree. I would like to see how much of an increase SLI would make with an overclocked FX-55
 

sharkeeper

Lifer
Jan 13, 2001
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2
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Because some of use have WUXGA and greater resolution displays.

Far Cry at 1920x1200 looks beautiful and needs SLI to be playable.

The SLI on one board solution (6600x2) is neat and from what I am told is sli-able. So at that point you have two boards running where each board is faster than a 6800UEX. A pair of 6800U SLI boards (if they ever make them!) would be nice but at that point you want to start thinking about thermal output and electrical consumption.

Currently, at any resolution of 1280x1024* and below, there is not a cpu capable keeping up with such a setup. People that make judgement on such a system running those resolutions (and lower!) should be terminated. 1600x1200 should be the minimum on a high end display driver.


______________________________

*Does not include features such as anti aliasing and anisotropic filtering.

Cheers!
 

deveraux

Senior member
Mar 21, 2004
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Edward Lee, one question for you.

Why do you feel the need to impose your opinions on others. Fine, you don't believe that SLI is worth or that you think it is a waste of money. So what? Who is forcing you to get it? If I have $10,000 to spend and I decide to spend it on getting the highest end possible GPU and CPU, why shouldn't I? No one here is forcing you to get SLI and this is not the first time you're starting a thread based around the SAME argument. What is your problem? You don't like SLI, fine! I think we can all see that. If someone asks for your opinion when they're buying a new GPU, tell them that. But don't impose yourself on others. Some people feel the need for the greatest and best. I'm not one of them, but I can at least understand that. Why can't you just accept that some people want it? Its there as an option, nothing more. If you don't want it ...DON'T GET IT!!

Fine, so that was probably more than one question.
 

Astu222

Senior member
Sep 7, 2004
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this is the same guy that compared socket 754 to a hemi engine.

dont listen to him.
 

Edward Lee

Senior member
Dec 11, 2004
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Fine if it makes all of the SLI lovers happy I won't flame about the 6800 Ultra SLI or even the 6800 GT SLI. Yes, there IS a performance increase. *(How much and at what cost? That's up to you) But anyone thinking of building an SLI system with 2 6600 GT's should reconsider. Tha'ts the nicest way I can put it. There is no performance gain. It would be better to buy 1 6800 Ultra and get another one later rather than spending the money on 2 6600 GTs. (Why anyone would do this when you can just buy 1 of the next best graphics card when the next generation graphics cards comes out instead of buying another outdated card is still perplexing to me.. but to each his own..) So all you SLI builders out there. Remember to spend $450.00-$550.00 on an extra graphics card so you can play Half Life 2 at 1600X1200 resolution all effects on. (Chances are unless you have super vision you won't notice the 9 frames difference between SLI and a ATI X800 XT Buy hey, that's up to you. I'm just pointing out the facts.
 

Pandamonium

Golden Member
Aug 19, 2001
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Oh my god. Kid, do yourself a favor and stop posting.

I would write a lengthy argument to enlighten you, but after reading your dogged responses against SLI, I realize that such efforts are not worth my time. Instead, here's a shorter, less elegant reply.

SLI is the framework that provides people with the option to upgrade cheaper in the future. As it becomes more popular and standardized (a company with nVidia's clout & expertise shouldn't have too much difficulty establishing a good product), the costs you mention (new power supply, motherboard, etc) become moot.

So here's how it works:
You get a "mid-range" card today
12 months later, your games are sluggish
Get another card identical to the one you bought for about half the price you previously paid
Install it, get another 12 months out of your video subsystem

It's more appealing than dropping $250 on a mid-range card every 12 months.
 

shabby

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: Edward Lee
Fine if it makes all of the SLI lovers happy I won't flame about the 6800 Ultra SLI or even the 6800 GT SLI. Yes, there IS a performance increase. *(How much and at what cost? That's up to you) But anyone thinking of building an SLI system with 2 6600 GT's should reconsider. Tha'ts the nicest way I can put it. There is no performance gain. It would be better to buy 1 6800 Ultra and get another one later rather than spending the money on 2 6600 GTs. (Why anyone would do this when you can just buy 1 of the next best graphics card when the next generation graphics cards comes out instead of buying another outdated card is still perplexing to me.. but to each his own..)

The problem with that is... we all know that. 6600's in sli do suck, but if someone cant afford a 6800gt they'll just get the 6600. Now stop posting.
 

Pandamonium

Golden Member
Aug 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: Edward Lee
Fine if it makes all of the SLI lovers happy I won't flame about the 6800 Ultra SLI or even the 6800 GT SLI. Yes, there IS a performance increase. *(How much and at what cost? That's up to you) But anyone thinking of building an SLI system with 2 6600 GT's should reconsider. Tha'ts the nicest way I can put it. There is no performance gain. It would be better to buy 1 6800 Ultra and get another one later rather than spending the money on 2 6600 GTs. (Why anyone would do this when you can just buy 1 of the next best graphics card when the next generation graphics cards comes out instead of buying another outdated card is still perplexing to me.. but to each his own..)

As for this point, 2x6600GT are (presumably) cheaper than 1x6800U. Also, when the time comes, you can buy 2x6800U cards to replace your 6600GTs.

And I would believe that most of the SLI adopters either go with 2x6800U or 1x6x00.
 

Astu222

Senior member
Sep 7, 2004
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pci-e 6800U's are around 550, 2 6600GT's are around 375. thats a big price difference, you cannot compare the two.
 

Edward Lee

Senior member
Dec 11, 2004
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**EDITED***
Fine if it makes all of the SLI lovers happy I won't flame about the 6800 Ultra SLI or even the 6800 GT SLI. Yes, there IS a performance increase. *(How much and at what cost? That's up to you) But anyone thinking of building an SLI system with 2 6600 GT's should reconsider. Tha'ts the nicest way I can put it. There is no performance gain. It would be better to buy 1 6800 Ultra and get another one later rather than spending the money on 2 6600 GTs. (Why anyone would do this when you can just buy 1 of the next best graphics card when the next generation graphics cards comes out instead of buying another outdated card is still perplexing to me.. but to each his own..) So all you SLI builders out there. Remember to spend $450.00-$550.00 on an extra graphics card so you can play Half Life 2 at 1600X1200 resolution all effects on. (Chances are unless you have super vision you won't notice the 9 frames difference between SLI and a ATI X800 XT Buy hey, that's up to you. I'm just pointing out the facts.
 

Edward Lee

Senior member
Dec 11, 2004
477
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Originally posted by: Pandamonium
Oh my god. Kid, do yourself a favor and stop posting.

I would write a lengthy argument to enlighten you, but after reading your dogged responses against SLI, I realize that such efforts are not worth my time. Instead, here's a shorter, less elegant reply.

SLI is the framework that provides people with the option to upgrade cheaper in the future. As it becomes more popular and standardized (a company with nVidia's clout & expertise shouldn't have too much difficulty establishing a good product), the costs you mention (new power supply, motherboard, etc) become moot.

So here's how it works:
You get a "mid-range" card today
12 months later, your games are sluggish
Get another card identical to the one you bought for about half the price you previously paid
Install it, get another 12 months out of your video subsystem

It's more appealing than dropping $250 on a mid-range card every 12 months.


LoL are you as stupid as you sound? Haven't you seen the benchmarks? You need to buy a top end card in order for this thing to work a efficiency. From what you said, if you buy a 6600 gt now and buy another 12 months from now you're still not getting any performance gain over a 6800 U or GT - or even a X800 for that matter.
 

jvarszegi

Senior member
Aug 9, 2004
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Edward Lee: Stop repeating yourself. Please. For the luvva G*d, stop repeating yourself.

Moderator: Can't you ban this guy, for sheer stupidity if nothing else? You're going to run out of disk space hosting his hokey threads.
 

Pandamonium

Golden Member
Aug 19, 2001
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Edward, read Astu222's reply and think about what you've just COPIED AND PASTED in a new post.

Here's some general advice:
1) You are entitled to your own opinion. So is everyone else. You are not the ultimate authority on anything. Neither is anyone else.
2) Use the edit button
3) Put your computer's specs in the AT rigs section and put a link to your rig in your signiture. Listing your components is both tacky and a waste of space.
4) Use the edit button
5) Grow up and try to minimize flaming
 

Pandamonium

Golden Member
Aug 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: Edward Lee
Originally posted by: Pandamonium
blahblahblah


LoL are you as stupid as you sound? Haven't you seen the benchmarks? You need to buy a top end card in order for this thing to work a efficiency. From what you said, if you buy a 6600 gt now and buy another 12 months from now you're still not getting any performance gain over a 6800 U or GT - or even a X800 for that matter.

1) "LoL" is for middle-schoolers
2) The point is to save money, not to get bleeding-edge performance
3) You're beginning to irritate me
 

jvarszegi

Senior member
Aug 9, 2004
721
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I'm beginning to think that these are some carefully-crafted shenanigans... nobody's that stupid. The way he keeps repeating himself, the way he gets slightly reasonable and then regresses...
 

FishTankX

Platinum Member
Oct 6, 2001
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Take one hard look.
Doom III 1600x1200 8xAF 4xAA 6800 Ultra SLi 73.4FPS
Doom III 1600x1200 8xAF 4xAA 6800GT SLi 68.3FPS
Doom III 1600x1200 8xAF 4xAA 6800 Ultra 42.8 FPS

Now, according to your own benchmarks 2 6800GT's beat the 6800 ultra by 59%. The 6800 Ultra SLi, 71%. Where are you getting this information from?

When we went from the 9700 pro to the 9800 pro to the 9800 XT there was 3x less of a difference between these 3 cards spanning almost 1 1/2 years than there is between 2 6800GT's vs 1 6800 Ultra.
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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heavy lead in doom3 yea. wonder why they didn't bench 1920x1600? u know.. people paying for sli just may have a sweet big ass widescreen u know. sli seems to take th lead the higher the res, and for more advanced engines*doom3
 

Avalon

Diamond Member
Jul 16, 2001
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Originally posted by: Pandamonium
Oh my god. Kid, do yourself a favor and stop posting.

I would write a lengthy argument to enlighten you, but after reading your dogged responses against SLI, I realize that such efforts are not worth my time. Instead, here's a shorter, less elegant reply.

SLI is the framework that provides people with the option to upgrade cheaper in the future. As it becomes more popular and standardized (a company with nVidia's clout & expertise shouldn't have too much difficulty establishing a good product), the costs you mention (new power supply, motherboard, etc) become moot.

So here's how it works:
You get a "mid-range" card today
12 months later, your games are sluggish
Get another card identical to the one you bought for about half the price you previously paid
Install it, get another 12 months out of your video subsystem

It's more appealing than dropping $250 on a mid-range card every 12 months.

I'm going to have to disagree here. SLI is great for linking two 6800GT or 6800U cards together, to reach performance levels that don't exist today. However, the whole argument that SLI is the bang for the buck route does not make any sense. Let's take a look at your situation.

You'd like to buy a 6600GT. It's a good card, and plays most games quite nicely. You paid $200 for it today. 12 months down the road, the new games are giving your 6600GT a hard time, so you decide to utilize your SLI ability and buy another 6600GT. Since the card has been out for over a year now, it's buying price is now $150 brand new. Your system again plays everything smoothly, for $350 total dollars, giving you two years of video enjoyment. 12 months later, newer games are making your SLI system struggle just a little. You decide to buy the newest generation's high mid-range card for $200. Your old 6600GTs are now unusable, so might as well sell them. You'll get $100 for each of them. That effectively balances out your $200 purchase. You get 12 months of enjoyment, and then decide you need to take up the SLI route again, so you do so. You purchase an identical card to SLI your system. The card has been out for a while, so it's cheaper, and will probably cost you $150. You have now effectively paid for $500 now since you started, over a 4 year period.

Now, the realisitc situation. You buy a 6800GT. It's a great card, and plays all games very nicely. You paid $350 for it today. 12 months down the road, you can still play all those games pretty well. 12 months after that, your card finally starts to show its age. You sell it for $200 and buy the next generation's similar card for $350. You enjoy 12 months of great gaming, followed by 12 months afterwards of good gaming. You have effectively paid $500 now since your first purchase, over a 4 year period.

By taking the SLI = p/p route, you will never be able to crank resolutions and max details/AF/AA. By taking the single card route, you will at times get to enjoy these higher resolutions and details, until your card starts getting older.

If you think my prices are off, they aren't for a smart shopper. If you want to compare MSRP prices, though, I'll admit my situations above give the 6800GT a slight advantage, but which I say is offset by the fact that you'll be getting an AGP card, while with the 6600GT SLI route you'll have to buy a $200 motherboard. Performance wise, a 6600GT in SLI hangs with a single 6800GT in most situations, so they are pretty close to equal, although i'd give the 6800GT a slight nod. I'd think at this point, you'd enjoy sticking with a single card route if you're debating "Single card vs. budget SLI". At this point, budget SLI is not feasible. I think it very well can be in the future. Right now, SLI should only be for those who want performance that does not exist with single cards today.
 

FishTankX

Platinum Member
Oct 6, 2001
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May I observe that..

Most of the original 3dFX SLi adapters did not adopt for 'Economics', rather, they went out and bought two cards then and there, and enjoyed world class performance for a long, long, long time. Two SLi'd 6800 Ultra's won't be suprassed for atleast 2 years. The 9700 pro wasn't 'Radically' beaten (50%+) until the coming of the 6800 and X800 series. Thus, as long as an architectural shift doesn't occur, the performance levels you get out of SLi are absolutley astrounding. You could concievably run the most demanding game (graphics wise) at 2048x1536 with all the goodies and max AF and still be getting liquid smooth 60+ FPS median.
 

Edward Lee

Senior member
Dec 11, 2004
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Originally posted by: jvarszegi
Edward Lee: Stop repeating yourself. Please. For the luvva G*d, stop repeating yourself.

Moderator: Can't you ban this guy, for sheer stupidity if nothing else? You're going to run out of disk space hosting his hokey threads.

Speak baby talk to me again.
 
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