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Perknose

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Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
-- Many of the scare stories about ganja are based on wildly faulty methodology. I should know, I spent three months as a paid volunteer smoking government weed for "the man" in the mid 70's at UCLA Medical Center in Westwood. I could tell you stories, and, if prompted, just might.
do tell
Well . . . I could go on and on (and on), but two "not so" quick points:

1.) They had no idea about the motivation of "dopers":

The ad I answered asked for males age 18-35 for 94 day marijuana research project, $800-1600. You got $800 just for outlasting the whole 94 day "incarceration", and you earned the rest doing repetitive tasks. On weekdays, after lunch and a mandatory joint, from 1:00 pm to 4:45pm (IIRC) you earned money per successful answer. One day, you did a primer level foreign language manual. The other day, you got a printout of multi-digit, multi number addition problems and a calculator, more or less like so:

1432094
2283109
4284776
5933021

There were 6 of us there at any one time. We entered serially, so you started as the new guy (and went two weeks "straight" as your own "control) while one by one the other guys left and new ones entered.

Quick math will show they were budgeted so that, AT THE MOST, each subject would only earn an additional $800 doing these tasks. They originally were paying 25 cents a right answer, and the first guys were coming out of there with $4,400- $4,600. I arrived just on the cusp, when they abrubtly cut the compensation down to 10 cents a right answer. I STILL earned over $2,200! (More than $600 over their per capita budget).

2.) They had no idea about what a "normal amount" of marijuana was:

The weed we smoked was government grown at the University of Mississippi (so we were told), and was pretty high quality. It came in individually numbered manilla envelopes as joints the size of a 100mm cigarette, but with no filter. Where the filter would have been, there was a double red line on the joint and a cute little red "M". That's a lot of weed. That's a Buffalo Bomber!! It was an individual dose, that is, it was the amount to be smoked by one person alone at one sitting.

Long story short, we smoked as many as 28-30 of these a day, every day! After awhile, I would wake up each morning and hack up black tar phlegm balls into the toilet.

So, years later, when I read that research coming out of the UCLA Medical Center was indicating that marijuana smoking was potentially as dangerous to your lungs as a cigarette addiction, I had to fvcking laugh! That would be equivalent to smoking -- I dunno, you tell me -- maybe 5-6 CARTONS of unfiltered ciggies a day?

Just one small example of the way their methodology was bogus and whack.

Don't get me started! Between the semi-colorful stories and the bullsh!t, it would be a book length essay.
 

Alex

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Originally posted by: dighn
here comes the pro-weed guys

crap im late...

im not gonna bother reading through the entire thread but weed is not really a gateway drug and anyway if youre gonna use drugs you should have the sense to not jeopardize important things like commitments, your life etc... it is perfectly possible to use a wide variety of drugs and still lead a responsible and meaningful and fun life... so sorry to hear about your bro but he obviously has self control problems and weed is completely harmless unless youre a dumbass

im out
 

biawokauns

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He was using other drugs, obviously he didn't have the self restraint to stop with pot. I have friends who smoke, and they're some of the brightest people in my state!
 

OneOfTheseDays

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i honestly can't say that weed is really addictive by nature. I've been smoking for probably 3 years, couple times a month, and I can go off it for months at a time and not feel any urges or cravings.
 

OMGoddess

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Your brother sounds to be of very high artistic abilities, sadly most people like that are more "sensitive" to their surroundings, (not people) causing them to be very...insane.

Notice most great writers, artists, poets, are somewhat crazy and are always commiting suicide, or seem to "know" something we all don't?
 

Glendor

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Originally posted by: Bryophyte
Have you considered that he might be a self-medicating schizophrenic? Maybe the drugs are a symptom, not a cause of his problems. I had a friend who was a fairly high functioning schizo.

Good call Bryophyte, that's what I thought too. I'm clean and don't use drugs myself, and I won't associate with people who I know do, but in this case, I think the drug use is a symptome of a larger problem. The raging paranoia could be a sign of schizophrenia.

Good luck with your brother. I consider myself lucky that my brother only drinks a lot of beer. Of course he's rolled two trucks already, and flipped one end-over-end :shocked: What can you do but love 'em, and try to straighten them out before they kill themselves, or some inocent bystander.

Glendor...
 
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you know all you people that smoke pot and are talking Sh*t to this guy are absolutely pitiful and sad. i am 20 ive never smoked pot never will i have friends whom most of them are on these forums who smoke pot it use to be just once a month and then now its every week, almost to every day, i hate hanging out with them just because of this they try to force weed on me all the time. they are now even failing classes they never had problems with until they starting smoking weed. you know everyone has personal problems and almost always everyones "cure" or "fix" is drugs or alcohol. now see it like this if there were no drugs people who had problems would haft to be man enough to fix there problems instead of just running home and smoking weed to get away from the world and everything else. you know i get drunk every so often (meaning once a month or every two months) and i know i have lots of problems and im not using any of this as an excuse but i think pot is bad and ALL of my friends who smoke it have all tried different drugs. IT IS A GATEWAY DRUG. i dont care what any of you pot heads say it is a gateway drug. ive watched many friend either die or trip so bad they had to be taken to the hospital. ive had a friend who after smoking it his heart started to beat so fast he thought he was going to die and started to cry begging me not to ever let him smoke again. but look at him once he was over it he was right back at it again. pot is an addiction just like cigs, alcohol or any other kind of drug. well this is just my 2 cents and i know im gonna get it good but i dont care i hate drugs and all of you that do them are ignorant

P.S. you people need to read the bible W00t! god never said smoke weed get high.......
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: suicidalpsyco12
you know all you people that smoke pot and are talking Sh*t to this guy are absolutely pitiful and sad. i am 20 ive never smoked pot never will i have friends whom most of them are on these forums who smoke pot it use to be just once a month and then now its every week, almost to every day, i hate hanging out with them just because of this they try to force weed on me all the time. they are now even failing classes they never had problems with until they starting smoking weed. you know everyone has personal problems and almost always everyones "cure" or "fix" is drugs or alcohol. now see it like this if there were no drugs people who had problems would haft to be man enough to fix there problems instead of just running home and smoking weed to get away from the world and everything else. you know i get drunk every so often (meaning once a month or every two months) and i know i have lots of problems and im not using any of this as an excuse but i think pot is bad and ALL of my friends who smoke it have all tried different drugs. IT IS A GATEWAY DRUG. i dont care what any of you pot heads say it is a gateway drug. ive watched many friend either die or trip so bad they had to be taken to the hospital. ive had a friend who after smoking it his heart started to beat so fast he thought he was going to die and started to cry begging me not to ever let him smoke again. but look at him once he was over it he was right back at it again. pot is an addiction just like cigs, alcohol or any other kind of drug. well this is just my 2 cents and i know im gonna get it good but i dont care i hate drugs and all of you that do them are ignorant

P.S. you people need to read the bible W00t! god never said smoke weed get high.......

Apparently smoking pot leads to the concept of paragraphs

I like how as a 20 year old kid you know everything life will ever throw at you, everything you'll enjoy, every paradigm shift you'll ever go through... If your friends are pushing it on you though, I can understand your disdain for it - but it's their fault, not pot's. And 2% of users going on to use harder drugs does not a gateway drug make, sorry but I don't care how many friends you've watched do it - statistics don't lie. If anything it's because you seem to attract stupid friends, judging by your post. And it's not surprising at all you're a bible-thumper - if you hadn't said it I'd have assumed it anyway
 

cKGunslinger

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I have a strong feeling this is a troll post, but just in case it's not...

Originally posted by: suicidalpsyco12
you know all you people that smoke pot and are talking Sh*t to this guy are absolutely pitiful and sad.
I've never smoked either, but I am still "talking sh1t," since there is a lot of bad information being spewed.

i am 20 ive never smoked pot never will
Congratulations!

i have friends whom most of them are on these forums who smoke pot it use to be just once a month and then now its every week, almost to every day, i hate hanging out with them just because of this they try to force weed on me all the time.
Your friends obviously suck, and it has nothing to do with pot. Get some new ones.

they are now even failing classes they never had problems with until they starting smoking weed. you know everyone has personal problems and almost always everyones "cure" or "fix" is drugs or alcohol.
And that's obviously the fault of the pot and alcohol, no? Let's blame inanimate objects for everyone's shortcomings. If it wasn't for the existence of such substances, we'd all be perfect!

now see it like this if there were no drugs people who had problems would haft to be man enough to fix there problems instead of just running home and smoking weed to get away from the world and everything else.
Of course! No one would ever try to find some other method of escape. They'd all probably just say, "Man, I sure do have a lot of problems. I sure do need a blunt.. Oh yeah.. weed doesn't exist, I forgot. Oh well, I guess I will buck-up and face my problems like an adult, rather than turn to the millions of other avenues of problem avoidance that have been available for years."

you know i get drunk every so often (meaning once a month or every two months) and i know i have lots of problems and im not using any of this as an excuse but i think pot is bad and ALL of my friends who smoke it have all tried different drugs. IT IS A GATEWAY DRUG. i dont care what any of you pot heads say it is a gateway drug.
Yes, you are obviously right. Your little bit of anecdotal evidence proves this beyond a shadow of a doubt. And just because someone else may know some people who smoke weed but have never tried any other drugs, doesn't mean that you are wrong. Oh, no! They are probably just lying, because they are all part of that "weed conspiracy" that works to get everyone smoking through lies and propaganda.

ive watched many friend either die or trip so bad they had to be taken to the hospital.
Wait a minute. You are 20 years old and you have watched "many friend" die from drug usage? Like I said before, your friends obviously suck. Get some new ones.

ive had a friend who after smoking it his heart started to beat so fast he thought he was going to die and started to cry begging me not to ever let him smoke again. but look at him once he was over it he was right back at it again. pot is an addiction just like cigs, alcohol or any other kind of drug.
Again, you are right. Your friend is a brilliant, mature, self-controlled individual. Or rather, he *would* be, if it wasn't for those darn evil drugs! How dare they roll themselves into joints and jump into his mouth!

well this is just my 2 cents and i know im gonna get it good but i dont care i hate drugs and all of you that do them are ignorant
Wow, so you have opinions about something. Congratulations! If you hate them, don't do them. What was your point again?

P.S. you people need to read the bible W00t! god never said smoke weed get high.......
I am assuming this is more of a joke/troll stament, right? I flipped through my bible to see what the Almightly had to say about posting to ATOT, but didn't see anything! Oh noes! We are all going to hell!
 
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hey cKGunslinger
eat a d*ck k thanks!

words of advice if you are soo into threads on the internet to pick and tear apart every little thing me or anyone else says wow you suck :/ sorry quit life while your ahead peace!

yeah and i seriously doubt you read through the whole bible looking for what god says about pot lmao what a idiot. its not a "specific" thing you will find in there just the basic concept of knowing whats right and whats wrong. and to everyone who thinks just because im 20 and i am soo young and i know nothing right. you guys are soooooo right how could i <----- know anything about life i couldent have experienced it in many things and been through many hard times. im sorry i dont live in a little "fantasy world" that so many of you live in. i live in the real world where crap happens. so what i read the bible and so what i wont do drugs doesnt mean i havent had a hard life and have learned lots about it. just because im young doesnt mean you haft to treat me like im some kind of stupid immature kid whose parents buy him everything he desires like half the people here. i am very mature and for being 20 i work hard for everything. well because of those people who do nothing more than troll websites clicking the refresh button every 5 seconds waiting for somebody to reply and try to think up ways to make themselves feel better by cutting other people down im not going to post to this thread aymore i dont really care. and i say to those of you who think pot is safe and blah blah blah. well wait for armageddon and we will see what god has to say to you. thanks and have a nice life >!>!>!!>!>>!
 

eigen

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I have been smoking teen years and have no real problems....except its expensive.
 

cheezy321

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Originally posted by: suicidalpsyco12
hey cKGunslinger
eat a d*ck k thanks!

words of advice if you are soo into threads on the internet to pick and tear apart every little thing me or anyone else says wow you suck :/ sorry quit life while your ahead peace!

yeah and i seriously doubt you read through the whole bible looking for what god says about pot lmao what a idiot. its not a "specific" thing you will find in there just the basic concept of knowing whats right and whats wrong. and to everyone who thinks just because im 20 and i am soo young and i know nothing right. you guys are soooooo right how could i <----- know anything about life i couldent have experienced it in many things and been through many hard times. im sorry i dont live in a little "fantasy world" that so many of you live in. i live in the real world where crap happens. so what i read the bible and so what i wont do drugs doesnt mean i havent had a hard life and have learned lots about it. just because im young doesnt mean you haft to treat me like im some kind of stupid immature kid whose parents buy him everything he desires like half the people here. i am very mature and for being 20 i work hard for everything. well because of those people who do nothing more than troll websites clicking the refresh button every 5 seconds waiting for somebody to reply and try to think up ways to make themselves feel better by cutting other people down im not going to post to this thread aymore i dont really care. and i say to those of you who think pot is safe and blah blah blah. well wait for armageddon and we will see what god has to say to you. thanks and have a nice life >!>!>!!>!>>!

Wow, you really arent a very smart guy. Calling people ignorant because they are pro-marijuana. Thats just retarded man. If you have done your research about the various drugs out there, you would know all of the research being done to over-write all of the previously badly done research.

All you need to do is READ. marijuana itself is not physically addictive. you can be addicted to the feeling it gives, but the plant itself is not addictive, unlike every other drug out there.

Nobody on marijuana is very violent. They are very chill and like to just hang out and talk. Cannot say that about alcohol.

Friends that are pushy about you trying marijuana arent friends in the first place. All of my friends and I smoke pot and we dont try and push it on anyone else. We do the nice thing and offer it to them, but if they dont want it, they dont want it.

Again, open your eyes and at least read some reports on it. Reports that arent from the government.
 
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