To gun owners

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: ViperXX
Best home defense weapon is a 12 gauge.

My CC instructor also recommended that I use #8 bird shot so I don't kill the neighbors if the shot accidentally goes through the walls of my house to next door. Which is smart I was keeping it loaded with 00.

Rock salt is even better. It is very effective against people. It hurts like a gunshot wound, still sounds like a regular shot, and I don't know of anyone that wouldn't run like hell after being shot with it.

 

[*kjm]

Originally posted by: bargetrav

Originally posted by: ViperXX
Best home defense weapon is a 12 gauge.

My CC instructor also recommended that I use #8 bird shot so I don't kill the neighbors if the shot accidentally goes through the walls of my house to next door. Which is smart I was keeping it loaded with 00.

You CC instructor is a dumbass ignorant retarded fuckface if he told you to use #8 birdshot for home defense.


that's like shooting sand at someone practically the pellets are so tiny, better hope you hit him in the eyes and blind him.

use #4 buckshot, it's 27 pellets and a good home defense round, and you don't have to worry about 00 buck going through multiple walls in you house and multiple walls of your neighbors and killing them either, so that's a dumbass fucking statement too.

You do need to slightly worry if your house is loaded with children though as it'll pass through sheetrock pretty easily.

Yep...... I use #4 bs also. If the perp comes into my house in the winter in WI bundled up you have to have a round to get to them and #8 bird shot will not.

I also own an XDM 40 but I would grab the 12ga first.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: ViperXX
Best home defense weapon is a 12 gauge.

My CC instructor also recommended that I use #8 bird shot so I don't kill the neighbors if the shot accidentally goes through the walls of my house to next door. Which is smart I was keeping it loaded with 00.

Rock salt is even better. It is very effective against people. It hurts like a gunshot wound, still sounds like a regular shot, and I don't know of anyone that wouldn't run like hell after being shot with it.

If they can move, let alone run they are still a threat. If they are in your house they should expect to be killed, that's the risk they took when they entered.

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: ViperXX
Best home defense weapon is a 12 gauge.

My CC instructor also recommended that I use #8 bird shot so I don't kill the neighbors if the shot accidentally goes through the walls of my house to next door. Which is smart I was keeping it loaded with 00.

Rock salt is even better. It is very effective against people. It hurts like a gunshot wound, still sounds like a regular shot, and I don't know of anyone that wouldn't run like hell after being shot with it.

If they can move, let alone run they are still a threat. If they are in your house they should expect to be killed, that's the risk they took when they entered.

My mossberg 590 is loaded with 5 shells of #4 buckshot with 2 more 7/8oz low recoil slugs at the end for just in case. In a self defense situation, your life is in danger, is it not? If your life is in danger, don't you want to completely stop the intruder?

You shouldn't be pulling the trigger if you can't identify your target, so don't pull the whole "it could be a friend/relative/housemate" card.

 

[*kjm]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: ViperXX
Best home defense weapon is a 12 gauge.

My CC instructor also recommended that I use #8 bird shot so I don't kill the neighbors if the shot accidentally goes through the walls of my house to next door. Which is smart I was keeping it loaded with 00.

Rock salt is even better. It is very effective against people. It hurts like a gunshot wound, still sounds like a regular shot, and I don't know of anyone that wouldn't run like hell after being shot with it.

If they can move, let alone run they are still a threat. If they are in your house they should expect to be killed, that's the risk they took when they entered.

My mossberg 590 is loaded with 5 shells of #4 buckshot with 2 more 7/8oz low recoil slugs at the end for just in case. In a self defense situation, your life is in danger, is it not? If your life is in danger, don't you want to completely stop the intruder?

You shouldn't be pulling the trigger if you can't identify your target, so don't pull the whole "it could be a friend/relative/housemate" card.

Yep....... you come in my house you will be dead as fast as I can do it end of story! I love my wife way to much to mess with me.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: Baked
You bought a girly gun for home defense? Sounds more like you plan on carrying it with you where ever you go, w/o a CCW permit. I mean if you wanna scare off the crooks, shouldn't you have bought a pump action shotgun instead? But whatever, you must be one of those people who think they can hit a dime from 100 yards away.

How do you get from the OP asking about best practices for mags with his XD-40, to the XD-40 being a "girly" gun, to the OP wanting to carry w/o a permit?

 

[Fayd]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: ViperXX
Best home defense weapon is a 12 gauge.

My CC instructor also recommended that I use #8 bird shot so I don't kill the neighbors if the shot accidentally goes through the walls of my house to next door. Which is smart I was keeping it loaded with 00.

Rock salt is even better. It is very effective against people. It hurts like a gunshot wound, still sounds like a regular shot, and I don't know of anyone that wouldn't run like hell after being shot with it.

why does this bullshit continue getting repeated?

at 20+ feet, the rock salt wont even penetrate. it might sting a little.

but then you gotta go through the effort of cleaning your gun extra cause you just introduced salt to the barrel.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot33_3.htm

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
In case you missed my earlier post, or Unheard's multiple posts...

a CLIP is ammo that is physically clipped together, like the ammo used in a M1 Garand in WWII
a MAGAZINE is the proper term for what OP's gun and most firearms use

Please, think of the kittens.

i call em magazines or mags, but damn can you be more nitpicky about it? and my sks originally had strip clips for it, despite having a magazine attached to it. all the bitching about calling them clips just shows how friggin petty some people can be.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: Fayd

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: ViperXX
Best home defense weapon is a 12 gauge.
My CC instructor also recommended that I use #8 bird shot so I don't kill the neighbors if the shot accidentally goes through the walls of my house to next door. Which is smart I was keeping it loaded with 00.

Rock salt is even better. It is very effective against people. It hurts like a gunshot wound, still sounds like a regular shot, and I don't know of anyone that wouldn't run like hell after being shot with it.

why does this bullshit continue getting repeated?
at 20+ feet, the rock salt wont even penetrate. it might sting a little.
but then you gotta go through the effort of cleaning your gun extra cause you just introduced salt to the barrel.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot33_3.htm

:thumbsup: Rock salt is great if you want to annoy someone without really hurting them. If someone breaks into my home, I want to do a lot more than just annoy them.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Insomniator
I don't think I would ever keep it loaded, but I do not own a gun. How long does it take to throw a clip in a gun? If you don't have time for that you're probably fucked anyway.

I wasnt going to keep the gun loaded, just the clip

Whatcha shootin', a Garand?

Yes, actually. At least after I run out of ammo in the shotty

 

[PrinceofWands]

Sure a magazine is going to wear out eventually, and you could keep it unloaded to get more time, but then why do you own it? Magazines are cheap. I've kept my carry gun fully loaded for two years, and also use the same magazines for target shooting...haven't had a feed issue yet. I'm sure after 10 or 20 years of being compressed you'll being to alter the feed slightly, but is that really a problem?

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: hdfxst
I've owned my ruger p89 for almost 20 years now and it's never sat unloaded.I can't even estimate the amount of ammo i put through this gun and it's never failed.In the house it's loaded safety on when i carry it it's loaded safety off

Never carry a weapon safety off. Safety comes off when you are ready to use it.

That goes against carry best practices and why many/most don't have a manual saftey. It needs to be ready to fire with a pull of the trigger.

Ummm, many/most DO have a manual safety. It's just Glock and a few others that have recently abandoned them for other devices.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: hdfxst
I've owned my ruger p89 for almost 20 years now and it's never sat unloaded.I can't even estimate the amount of ammo i put through this gun and it's never failed.In the house it's loaded safety on when i carry it it's loaded safety off

Never carry a weapon safety off. Safety comes off when you are ready to use it.

That goes against carry best practices and why many/most don't have a manual saftey. It needs to be ready to fire with a pull of the trigger.

Ummm, many/most DO have a manual safety. It's just Glock and a few others that have recently abandoned them for other devices.

Ruger, Sig Sauer, Smith & Wesson, Beretta, and CZ just off the top of my head.

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: hdfxst
I've owned my ruger p89 for almost 20 years now and it's never sat unloaded.I can't even estimate the amount of ammo i put through this gun and it's never failed.In the house it's loaded safety on when i carry it it's loaded safety off

Never carry a weapon safety off. Safety comes off when you are ready to use it.

That goes against carry best practices and why many/most don't have a manual saftey. It needs to be ready to fire with a pull of the trigger.

Ummm, many/most DO have a manual safety. It's just Glock and a few others that have recently abandoned them for other devices.

Ruger, Sig Sauer, Smith & Wesson, Beretta, and CZ just off the top of my head.

Depends on the model. Different choices for different people. My kahr doesn't have a safety, just a long double action only trigger. My 1911's have a safety and they're carried locked and cocked with safety on.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Baked
You bought a girly gun for home defense? Sounds more like you plan on carrying it with you where ever you go, w/o a CCW permit. I mean if you wanna scare off the crooks, shouldn't you have bought a pump action shotgun instead? But whatever, you must be one of those people who think they can hit a dime from 100 yards away.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: hdfxst
I've owned my ruger p89 for almost 20 years now and it's never sat unloaded.I can't even estimate the amount of ammo i put through this gun and it's never failed.In the house it's loaded safety on when i carry it it's loaded safety off

Never carry a weapon safety off. Safety comes off when you are ready to use it.

That goes against carry best practices and why many/most don't have a manual saftey. It needs to be ready to fire with a pull of the trigger.

Ummm, many/most DO have a manual safety. It's just Glock and a few others that have recently abandoned them for other devices.

Ruger, Sig Sauer, Smith & Wesson, Beretta, and CZ just off the top of my head.

Depends on the model. Different choices for different people. My kahr doesn't have a safety, just a long double action only trigger. My 1911's have a safety and they're carried locked and cocked with safety on.

You are correct that these manufacturers have not entirely abandoned safeties, though the fact that they provide decocker-only models implies that they do not think safeties are a necessary feature of an autoloading pistol.

 

[sourceninja]

Originally posted by: gar3555
I keep my S&W 686 loaded, bedside. safety is always off . My BPS and AR are downstairs in the gun cabinet. Don't keep anything downstairs loaded. Not to worried about break-ins, small town FTW.

Ummmm. my 686 has no safety to turn on and off. Unless you could DA being 'safe'. I also keep my at the beside loaded up with nice JHP ammo.

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: hdfxst
I've owned my ruger p89 for almost 20 years now and it's never sat unloaded.I can't even estimate the amount of ammo i put through this gun and it's never failed.In the house it's loaded safety on when i carry it it's loaded safety off

Never carry a weapon safety off. Safety comes off when you are ready to use it.

I think it's strange that people carry weapons that have a safety that can be toggled on and off.

I only own a single pistol with a manual safety, my ruger mark III. The rest don't.

Walther PPS - no manual safety, my daily carry.
SA XD 9mm - no manual safety.
Walther P99 .40 - no manual safety.
S&W 357 - NO safety at all


I carry loaded, chambered, and cocked. I have no fear of an accidental discharge. I trust the internal safetys on my PPS and I'm smart enough not to shoot anything I don't mean to shoot.

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: hdfxst
I've owned my ruger p89 for almost 20 years now and it's never sat unloaded.I can't even estimate the amount of ammo i put through this gun and it's never failed.In the house it's loaded safety on when i carry it it's loaded safety off

Never carry a weapon safety off. Safety comes off when you are ready to use it.

That goes against carry best practices and why many/most don't have a manual saftey. It needs to be ready to fire with a pull of the trigger.

Ummm, many/most DO have a manual safety. It's just Glock and a few others that have recently abandoned them for other devices.

Ruger, Sig Sauer, Smith & Wesson, Beretta, and CZ just off the top of my head.

Depends on the model. Different choices for different people. My kahr doesn't have a safety, just a long double action only trigger. My 1911's have a safety and they're carried locked and cocked with safety on.

You are correct that these manufacturers have not entirely abandoned safeties, though the fact that they provide decocker-only models implies that they do not think safeties are a necessary feature of an autoloading pistol.

Personally, I don't think safeties are necessary, as long as there are other features. No trigger pull, no bang is good enough for me, but you have to look at each model separately and can't use that argument to lump entire lines together.

EDIT: I think a lot of it is just newer technologies. Older guns couldn't be counted on to not fire even if there wasn't a trigger pull. Some people will think it is strange that people carry around without a safety they can control. I'm not one to push my beliefs onto others, I just like to argue. Carry what you want and makes you comfortable, but just keep an open mind with new ideas.

 

[sourceninja]

I'd say there are more pistols without safetys then with them in your average gun shop.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: hdfxst
I've owned my ruger p89 for almost 20 years now and it's never sat unloaded.I can't even estimate the amount of ammo i put through this gun and it's never failed.In the house it's loaded safety on when i carry it it's loaded safety off

Never carry a weapon safety off. Safety comes off when you are ready to use it.

That goes against carry best practices and why many/most don't have a manual saftey. It needs to be ready to fire with a pull of the trigger.

Ummm, many/most DO have a manual safety. It's just Glock and a few others that have recently abandoned them for other devices.

Ruger, Sig Sauer, Smith & Wesson, Beretta, and CZ just off the top of my head.

Only very, VERY recently.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: hdfxst
I've owned my ruger p89 for almost 20 years now and it's never sat unloaded.I can't even estimate the amount of ammo i put through this gun and it's never failed.In the house it's loaded safety on when i carry it it's loaded safety off

Never carry a weapon safety off. Safety comes off when you are ready to use it.

That goes against carry best practices and why many/most don't have a manual saftey. It needs to be ready to fire with a pull of the trigger.

Ummm, many/most DO have a manual safety. It's just Glock and a few others that have recently abandoned them for other devices.

Ruger, Sig Sauer, Smith & Wesson, Beretta, and CZ just off the top of my head.

Depends on the model. Different choices for different people. My kahr doesn't have a safety, just a long double action only trigger. My 1911's have a safety and they're carried locked and cocked with safety on.

You are correct that these manufacturers have not entirely abandoned safeties, though the fact that they provide decocker-only models implies that they do not think safeties are a necessary feature of an autoloading pistol.

*shrug* I've been shooting my whole life, and so far only the Glock I owned had no safety. I realize there are others out there, I just have never seen one other than Glock. Must be an age thing, or regional thing, or preference thing, or something localized to my experiences.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: daniel1113


Yes, actually. At least after I run out of ammo in the shotty

Your scary black rifle just made me shit my pants

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Ummm, many/most DO have a manual safety. It's just Glock and a few others that have recently abandoned them for other devices.

Ruger, Sig Sauer, Smith & Wesson, Beretta, and CZ just off the top of my head.

Only very, VERY recently.

My Ruger P95D was manufactured in 2000; was that very, VERY recent?

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Ummm, many/most DO have a manual safety. It's just Glock and a few others that have recently abandoned them for other devices.

Ruger, Sig Sauer, Smith & Wesson, Beretta, and CZ just off the top of my head.

Only very, VERY recently.

My Ruger P95D was manufactured in 2000; was that very, VERY recent?

Since I first started shooting in 1982, yes, yes it is. Less than a decade. Hell, Glocks were the new kid on the block when I started with firearms. I had to search to find someone that carried the 'new' model 22.

 

[olds]

Buy a revolver too and don't worry about it.