To OLED or not to OLED???

[Skel]

I've been looking at replacing my current TV (Samsung UN60ES8000 2012 version) At first I was just going to get the newest Samsung which was a QLED. Then upon research I discovered the Q was marketing and it was just a LED with edge lighting.

This past weekend I was talking to a guy at Best Buy (I was looking to see if I could tell the difference) and he mentioned that an OLED was the much better picture. He highly recommended the Sony XBR65A1E as OLEDs have the best blacks and all the bells and whistles of LED.

My questions are...
1. Is this true? Is this the best TV currently out there?
2. Gaming.. will this work well with the Xbox One X and 4K gaming? Is there lag that would drive me insane?
3. Image retention.. I've read in a few places that some OLEDs have issues with an image burning into the the screen. I've been told that it's easy to clear out, but it take a bit of time for it to do it. Would this TV have that issue?
4. Upscaling. I've heard tales that as there's very little 4K content out there past Blu-Rays that a lot of the 4K TVs upscaling of the picture looks like crap. I would assume that with this price point it wouldn't be that much of an issue, but I still want to know. The guy at Best Buy said this TV has the highest processor so it can handle the upscaling better than the LGs, but he didn't say anything on the normal LEDs and how they did.

My budget for my TV is $4-5K. My old TV died in a water damage that I wrote about in another thread. Insurance is picking up the bulk of the price so I'm not too worried about the cost. I don't want to go overboard and spend too much, but I'm OK with spending as it'll last me at least 5+ years. Gaming on it is a must. While I have plugged my PC into it, I normally game on my couch with a console (the PS4 or Xbox One X) and I have Direct TV.

Thanks for reading..

TLDR: Need new TV

 

[razel]

$4-5k budget is PLENTY these days for a TV. The top-dog LG OLEDs can be had for less that. I wouldn't buy OLED just yet merely because HDR standards haven't settled down. It can be fixed/updated via software, but whether your TV will continue to get such updates is the big question.

Additionally since you are interested in x1x you'll want to wait for a TV that support variable refresh rate. Only Samsung recently at CES was the only one with a press release saying they'll support it. If your current TV is fine, nothing wrong with it then stick with it. Otherwise, I'd go with a better bang for the buck TV in the lower $1k range like the Sony's for a few years until OLEDs tech has matured along with HDR sorted out and VRR support more common, then buy a more awesome TV at that time.

 

[fleshconsumed]

If my TV died, I'd have two choices. Go as cheap as possible until OLEDs come down in price in a year or two (hopefully, not a given), or just bite the bullet and buy OLED. OLED is the only technology that has true blacks, and given typical lighting in a typical house, relatively low peak brightness of OLED tvs is not a problem. I would only buy traditional LED if my TV was in the sun room with sun shining directly at the TV and I was watching a lot of TV during daytime, or if I was a big fan of HDR (where high peak brightness of traditional LED TVs help) and didn't care about black levels. Since neither of these two apply to me and since black levels are paramount to me, I'd go with OLED. Seriously, turn on you TV in the evening after sun goes down and put black image on your TV. Unless there are lights directly over your TV, more than likely your TV image will be gray whereas it's supposed to be black. I can't stand it and I can't wait till we have truly affordable OLEDs or until my TV breaks down and I have to buy replacement.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

If you can wait, I'd want my expensive new tv to have HDMI 2.1. There were also no significant advances in LG panels this year, although they did add high frame rate. I think HDR standards have mostly settled enough, but I'd wait until I can get a tv that will do 4k 4:4:4 @ 120fps w/ HDR metadata. And if you're lucky we'll also see the next generation of LG panels next year.

Alternatively, you should be able to get a 65" C7 in the next month or two for probably < $2500 if you play your cards right, including CC price protection. Yes, the Sony is a fair bit better, but I think not worth the cost with looming tech advancements.

 

[Skel]

First and foremost.. Thank you for the feedback. Every time I think I have a clue I learn more and start over.. I miss the days when I'd just buy a Sony Trinitron and call it awesome.. le sigh..

$4-5k budget is PLENTY these days for a TV. The top-dog LG OLEDs can be had for less that. I wouldn't buy OLED just yet merely because HDR standards haven't settled down. It can be fixed/updated via software, but whether your TV will continue to get such updates is the big question.

Additionally since you are interested in x1x you'll want to wait for a TV that support variable refresh rate. Only Samsung recently at CES was the only one with a press release saying they'll support it. If your current TV is fine, nothing wrong with it then stick with it. Otherwise, I'd go with a better bang for the buck TV in the lower $1k range like the Sony's for a few years until OLEDs tech has matured along with HDR sorted out and VRR support more common, then buy a more awesome TV at that time.

I knew nothing about variable refresh rate. Is this something that'll become more important as time goes by? I'm wondering how they're doing it now, unless I'm missing something and it's just LEDs they're using.

If my TV died, I'd have two choices. Go as cheap as possible until OLEDs come down in price in a year or two (hopefully, not a given), or just bite the bullet and buy OLED. OLED is the only technology that has true blacks, and given typical lighting in a typical house, relatively low peak brightness of OLED tvs is not a problem. I would only buy traditional LED if my TV was in the sun room with sun shining directly at the TV and I was watching a lot of TV during daytime, or if I was a big fan of HDR (where high peak brightness of traditional LED TVs help) and didn't care about black levels. Since neither of these two apply to me and since black levels are paramount to me, I'd go with OLED. Seriously, turn on you TV in the evening after sun goes down and put black image on your TV. Unless there are lights directly over your TV, more than likely your TV image will be gray whereas it's supposed to be black. I can't stand it and I can't wait till we have truly affordable OLEDs or until my TV breaks down and I have to buy replacement.

Sadly my current TV is toast. We've been using a crappy 22inch monitor from my PC until we get the payout from insurance and figure out wtf we're getting.. I noticed that my Samsung 1080p model's black was more of that grey washed out type. We got used to it, but it's nothing like the blacks I've been seeing on the OLEDs, which is how I really started looking at them. My first choice for the TV was the Samsung QN65Q9 stupidly thinking the Q was their version of OLED. Now I'm so confused again...

If you can wait, I'd want my expensive new tv to have HDMI 2.1. There were also no significant advances in LG panels this year, although they did add high frame rate. I think HDR standards have mostly settled enough, but I'd wait until I can get a tv that will do 4k 4:4:4 @ 120fps w/ HDR metadata. And if you're lucky we'll also see the next generation of LG panels next year.

Alternatively, you should be able to get a 65" C7 in the next month or two for probably < $2500 if you play your cards right, including CC price protection. Yes, the Sony is a fair bit better, but I think not worth the cost with looming tech advancements.

I thought the big point of the Sony was it's processor. I was told (and possibly wrongly) that it was why I would want one over the LG. The processor was going to make the image upscale better as well as handle motion much better. That not the case?

Anyone know when the 2018 versions of these TVs are supposed to come out?? I always thought it was around SuperBowl as that's when most of America buys a TV.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

Yes, the Sony processor is quite a bit better. I just wouldn't want to spend that much money right now with HDMI 2.1 around the corner. The 2018 versions should be out in April/May, Sony probably later. The LG adds 120 fps and a much improved processor. That said, it's basically the same panel we've had the last 2 years. I don't know what's new for Sony this year but they use LG panels so it'll be the same drawbacks to buying now. I only mentioned getting the C7 because you could get a badass TV for not crazy expensive and based on your budget it wouldn't sting too badly to upgrade it in 2-3 years. The better play is probably to go for a decent quality ultra cheap set like a TCL or whatever is hot these days and upgrade in 1-2 years. Hell, QLED could be interesting by then as well. AVSForum if you want to deep dive on all this.

LG C7 65" are on ebay right now for $2400 through actually legit sellers like ielectrica and echo & optics. Then you can use your credit card price protection to some shithole like east coast tvs to get rebated the $400 price difference (my CC does up to $500). If you're worried about panel lottery issues, stick with B&M and still use price protection, you'll just pay a bit more.

 

[OlyAR15]

I just replaced a 60" Pioneer Kuro plasma with a 65" Panasonic OLED tv, and I'm happy with it. I don't play games on it (that is what my gaming PC is for), so I never bothered looking into latency of the set, but the picture quality is amazing. This should last me a long while.

 

[DaveSimmons]

I bought a 2017 model 55" LG C7 OLED last summer and have been happy with it since then. Inky blacks are nice to have, the brightness is fine (I've turned mine way down from the factory setting) and upscaling of DVDs and blu-rays looks great.

I've avoided the retention issue by gaming on my PC, you might want to check AVSForum.com to see what other owners have to say. One thing the 2017 models fixed was input lag, so as long as you get a 2017 or 2018 instead of a 2016 you should be safe from that.

 

[fuzzymath10]

I have the 55" Sony A1E. It is beautiful. Even with SDR content, the contrast is high, and this is especially noticeable in a dark room where a dark scene truly feels like no lights are on. The video processing is also worth having to make the most of content that is sub-native (i.e. neither HDR nor 4k). I previously had a middling range Sony LED TV from 2011 with good processing for the time and I think this feature is often overlooked but I notice whenever I'm forced to view content on a TV with more limited processing capabilities.

Maybe it's because I already had an LED TV not known for its brightness, but I don't find the brightness to be an issue at all, even with typical living room lighting. In fact, I've turned the brightness to a fraction of the max setting.

I assume you have separate speakers, but I was impressed by the A1E's unusual built-in speakers. With my old TV, sometimes I would forget to turn on my AVR and the sound would play through the TV speakers and once I powered the AVR, it was night and day. With the A1E, there's still a difference, but it's much less obvious and so it makes for a very good integrated speaker experience. Note I'm benchmarking against an older, but decent entry level setup (Yamaha RX-V667 + KEF 2005s + KEF T101c)

Even when playing basic SDR 1080p content, it was worth every penny. We've had very good experiences with Sony TVs for decades.

 

[Zivic]

I've been looking at replacing my current TV (Samsung UN60ES8000 2012 version) At first I was just going to get the newest Samsung which was a QLED. Then upon research I discovered the Q was marketing and it was just a LED with edge lighting.

This past weekend I was talking to a guy at Best Buy (I was looking to see if I could tell the difference) and he mentioned that an OLED was the much better picture. He highly recommended the Sony XBR65A1E as OLEDs have the best blacks and all the bells and whistles of LED.

My questions are...
1. Is this true? Is this the best TV currently out there?

yes and no... the sony is "supposed" to have better processing.... it still uses an LG panel. IMHO, it isn't worth $1000 price premium over an LG... mayb if it were a 200-300 price premium. Id probably opt for an C or B series LG and pocket the other few grand. I can tell you I definitely would not buy the a1e if you are not going to wall mount. the way the display sits with the tilt is something that would be a deal breaker for me

2. Gaming.. will this work well with the Xbox One X and 4K gaming? Is there lag that would drive me insane?

I don't know first hand, I don't game on mine (LG oled)

3. Image retention.. I've read in a few places that some OLEDs have issues with an image burning into the the screen. I've been told that it's easy to clear out, but it take a bit of time for it to do it. Would this TV have that issue?
This is not a concern of mine... never seen it. I have seen it IR on plasmas, but not on either of the oleds of I have owned

4. Upscaling. I've heard tales that as there's very little 4K content out there past Blu-Rays that a lot of the 4K TVs upscaling of the picture looks like crap. I would assume that with this price point it wouldn't be that much of an issue, but I still want to know. The guy at Best Buy said this TV has the highest processor so it can handle the upscaling better than the LGs, but he didn't say anything on the normal LEDs and how they did.

netflix, amazon both have tons of 4K... there is a lot out there

I wouldn't put much stock in upscaling. it is probably marginally better than the lower end LG displays. you get the the E series or higher LG, you aren't getting anything better in the sony.... in my opinion



My budget for my TV is $4-5K. My old TV died in a water damage that I wrote about in another thread. Insurance is picking up the bulk of the price so I'm not too worried about the cost. I don't want to go overboard and spend too much, but I'm OK with spending as it'll last me at least 5+ years. Gaming on it is a must. While I have plugged my PC into it, I normally game on my couch with a console (the PS4 or Xbox One X) and I have Direct TV.

Thanks for reading..

TLDR: Need new TV

having seen these displays, and owning two ... the real issues are they struggle with white and blacks.....

whites are anything and everything other than white. I know that my E6 is a little more pronounced in this regard because it has the 3D filter, but you may see contrasting yellow and or blue hues in full white displays (hockey games, white background in commercials). They also, though I have seen them become much improved, have some banding visible in the white seens.


when I say they struggle with blacks, these displays DOMINATE with blacks. so much so, out of box, they will crush some blacks. with a proper calibration, it will almost completely eliminate this

are either of these deal breakers? no, I want to bring them up because nobody seems to talk about them. they only talk about IR or brightness or some other non issue.


I will again say 4-5k is not worth it... buy a lower end LG, they all use the same panels. sure some panels are cherry picked for the higher models and processing may differ, but outside of side by side comparison, you aren't getting anything better than can be objectively measured

 

[GoodRevrnd]

Banding is negligible on my E6, but I would guess I won the panel lottery with a top 25% display. It seems like there are a lot more banding complaints on the 7s than 6s. I'm thinking they relaxed QC a bit to improve supply and price. I think it's worse in the mid to light greys and not the whites. The white issue is more of a dirty look or sometimes off hue coloring but I didn't find it as bad as many described. Honestly the only real content it's a problem for is hockey, which unfortunately is the only sport I watch. And you're right, the black crush is real and pretty easy to calibrate around by eye. Just check forums for best starting settings and tweak from there by eye using a grey test image.

 

[nOOky]

If you are asking should you buy an OLED I would say yes it's all I would buy if I had to right now. As for features do you need built in speakers, or are you using a separate receiver and speakers? If you have older equipment it may not be able to pass the proper signal through the receivers HDMI to support the newer standards etc. read some of the Amazon reviews for the LG C7 and the Sony to see what issues people have been having. I would almost expect to need a new receiver myself if I bought a HDMI 2.1 tv...

 

[Skel]

If you are asking should you buy an OLED I would say yes it's all I would buy if I had to right now. As for features do you need built in speakers, or are you using a separate receiver and speakers? If you have older equipment it may not be able to pass the proper signal through the receivers HDMI to support the newer standards etc. read some of the Amazon reviews for the LG C7 and the Sony to see what issues people have been having. I would almost expect to need a new receiver myself if I bought a HDMI 2.1 tv...

I do have a separate receiver and speakers. I upgraded the receiver a month or so ago as well as the Xbox with the goal of moving towards 4k. When the water crashed through my ceiling (I'll have to dig up the thread on that if you cared, the TL;DR version is water killed my TV so I need a new one anyways) I knew that I wasn't going to just get another 1080p TV. As there was some issues with the other stuff from the same water I updated them all towards 4k. I do play a lot of games (I do have a PC I also game on before the PC Nation jumps in) on my Xbox as it's nice to just kick back on the couch and play. That's the big reason why I'm debating on the OLED. I keep seeing people talk about the lag on it, but I've yet to see if it's bad enough it would matter.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I've been looking at replacing my current TV (Samsung UN60ES8000 2012 version) At first I was just going to get the newest Samsung which was a QLED. Then upon research I discovered the Q was marketing and it was just a LED with edge lighting.

This past weekend I was talking to a guy at Best Buy (I was looking to see if I could tell the difference) and he mentioned that an OLED was the much better picture. He highly recommended the Sony XBR65A1E as OLEDs have the best blacks and all the bells and whistles of LED.

My questions are...
1. Is this true? Is this the best TV currently out there?
2. Gaming.. will this work well with the Xbox One X and 4K gaming? Is there lag that would drive me insane?
3. Image retention.. I've read in a few places that some OLEDs have issues with an image burning into the the screen. I've been told that it's easy to clear out, but it take a bit of time for it to do it. Would this TV have that issue?
4. Upscaling. I've heard tales that as there's very little 4K content out there past Blu-Rays that a lot of the 4K TVs upscaling of the picture looks like crap. I would assume that with this price point it wouldn't be that much of an issue, but I still want to know. The guy at Best Buy said this TV has the highest processor so it can handle the upscaling better than the LGs, but he didn't say anything on the normal LEDs and how they did.

My budget for my TV is $4-5K. My old TV died in a water damage that I wrote about in another thread. Insurance is picking up the bulk of the price so I'm not too worried about the cost. I don't want to go overboard and spend too much, but I'm OK with spending as it'll last me at least 5+ years. Gaming on it is a must. While I have plugged my PC into it, I normally game on my couch with a console (the PS4 or Xbox One X) and I have Direct TV.

Thanks for reading..

TLDR: Need new TV

1) The Sony A1E is good but the LG TVs are better IMO because they cost less and have the same picture quality. They all use the same panels.
2+3)It will work but the A1E has high input lag numbers, up into to the high 40ms range while the LG B7/C7 etc have 21ms in game mode at all resolutions. The LG TVs are much better for gaming, The other thing to consider is that OLED is subject to burn in over time. Users on AVS Forum have a large thread going where many have actual permanent burn in on their TV and there is no fix or any warranty for it. Some have even said that when watching movies for the majority of their viewing that the black bars on the top and bottom cause the pixels to age differently. Kind of weird stuff going on with OLED image retention and burn in. All OLED TVs have the issue, it's part of the panel technology. Some users on AVS suggest setting OLED light to something around 40(kind of like the screen brightness setting) to help. Other users have many hours of gaming and no burn in. It can happen, whether you want to risk it or not is up to you.
4)There is a lot of 4k content, whoever told you there wasn't is wrong. Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, Vudu, iTunes, Google Play Movies, & Fandango Now all have movies and shows in 4k HDR. Then you of course have UHD Blu-Ray you could look into as well. Most TVs upscale VERY well. Anything 720p or above will look great on most better UHD TVs. If you watch a lot of 480i content maybe you'd have problems, but generally there's nothing to worry about when you upscale 1080p movies and games.

If you are very concerned with the possibility of burn in (check the following thread at AVS http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...-oled-image-retention-burn-thread-photos.html) You might consider something like a Sony x900e which is a Full Array Local Dimming LCD set with very good black levels and very good motion handling. LCDs tend to get brighter for HDR content than OLED TVs will as well. The downside to the 900e is no dolby vision if it's a must have feature for you.



Also...not to throw a wrench in the works but Nvidia has announced their Large Format Gaming Displays. Basically 65" LCD TVs with HDR10 support, full array local dimming backlighting, 1000Nits HDR brightness, true 120hz panels(can accept 120hz signals from PC), Gsync, and a built in Nvidia Shield streaming console. No price info yet but they said you can use Gsync for movies as well which is intriguing. Should be more info this summer about them.

 

[Skel]

1) The Sony A1E is good but the LG TVs are better IMO because they cost less and have the same picture quality. They all use the same panels.
2+3)It will work but the A1E has high input lag numbers, up into to the high 40ms range while the LG B7/C7 etc have 21ms in game mode at all resolutions. The LG TVs are much better for gaming, The other thing to consider is that OLED is subject to burn in over time. Users on AVS Forum have a large thread going where many have actual permanent burn in on their TV and there is no fix or any warranty for it. Some have even said that when watching movies for the majority of their viewing that the black bars on the top and bottom cause the pixels to age differently. Kind of weird stuff going on with OLED image retention and burn in. All OLED TVs have the issue, it's part of the panel technology. Some users on AVS suggest setting OLED light to something around 40(kind of like the screen brightness setting) to help. Other users have many hours of gaming and no burn in. It can happen, whether you want to risk it or not is up to you.
4)There is a lot of 4k content, whoever told you there wasn't is wrong. Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, Vudu, iTunes, Google Play Movies, & Fandango Now all have movies and shows in 4k HDR. Then you of course have UHD Blu-Ray you could look into as well. Most TVs upscale VERY well. Anything 720p or above will look great on most better UHD TVs. If you watch a lot of 480i content maybe you'd have problems, but generally there's nothing to worry about when you upscale 1080p movies and games.

If you are very concerned with the possibility of burn in (check the following thread at AVS http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...-oled-image-retention-burn-thread-photos.html) You might consider something like a Sony x900e which is a Full Array Local Dimming LCD set with very good black levels and very good motion handling. LCDs tend to get brighter for HDR content than OLED TVs will as well. The downside to the 900e is no dolby vision if it's a must have feature for you.



Also...not to throw a wrench in the works but Nvidia has announced their Large Format Gaming Displays. Basically 65" LCD TVs with HDR10 support, full array local dimming backlighting, 1000Nits HDR brightness, true 120hz panels(can accept 120hz signals from PC), Gsync, and a built in Nvidia Shield streaming console. No price info yet but they said you can use Gsync for movies as well which is intriguing. Should be more info this summer about them.

Well that just screwed everything up..

I've been paranoid about the burn in thing. I've seen that be an issue in the past, and while I had thought we had moved past that in terms of tech I still get concerned. This makes me concerned it's still a major issue. I had looked at the Samsung LCD and was going to get it (The one that died was a Samsung that I liked well enough.. used to love untill 4K came out and made declare my screen is ugly to the woman. Still a nice picture but I can't tell her that. She's wondering if we really need 4k.. which.. duh.. of course we do)

Now I'm really torn on what to do.. if LCDs are still the best for gaming (which it looks more and more like it is) and can do the picture well then there's not much reason not to.... except I do like my dark areas dark.. man.. #firstworldproblems

 

[cmdrdredd]

Well that just screwed everything up..

I've been paranoid about the burn in thing. I've seen that be an issue in the past, and while I had thought we had moved past that in terms of tech I still get concerned. This makes me concerned it's still a major issue. I had looked at the Samsung LCD and was going to get it (The one that died was a Samsung that I liked well enough.. used to love untill 4K came out and made declare my screen is ugly to the woman. Still a nice picture but I can't tell her that. She's wondering if we really need 4k.. which.. duh.. of course we do)

Now I'm really torn on what to do.. if LCDs are still the best for gaming (which it looks more and more like it is) and can do the picture well then there's not much reason not to.... except I do like my dark areas dark.. man.. #firstworldproblems

Well Sony LCDs have the best black levels right now. For new models coming this year we don’t know. Samsung has a couple really high end FALD models on the way. If nothing else wait until summer so we can see reviews on the new Nvidia Large Format Displays which will inevitably have super low input lag and the other newer tv models for comparison. Current models won’t go away overnight and will probably even be cheaper at that time. If you can afford to play wait and see it will be to your benefit I am sure.

 

[Skel]

Well Sony LCDs have the best black levels right now. For new models coming this year we don’t know. Samsung has a couple really high end FALD models on the way. If nothing else wait until summer so we can see reviews on the new Nvidia Large Format Displays which will inevitably have super low input lag and the other newer tv models for comparison. Current models won’t go away overnight and will probably even be cheaper at that time. If you can afford to play wait and see it will be to your benefit I am sure.

Do you really think the Nvidia screens will be that much of a game changer? I get that they'll probably be a bit faster than most TVs out there, but do you think they'll also have the picture quality as well? I love my 1070, but I struggle to think they're going to do something in TVs that the other guys, who've been doing it a lot longer aren't doing. I could be wrong, but it's just a hard thing for me to get my head around.. stranger things have happened though.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Do you really think the Nvidia screens will be that much of a game changer? I get that they'll probably be a bit faster than most TVs out there, but do you think they'll also have the picture quality as well? I love my 1070, but I struggle to think they're going to do something in TVs that the other guys, who've been doing it a lot longer aren't doing. I could be wrong, but it's just a hard thing for me to get my head around.. stranger things have happened though.

Well nobody knows about the picture quality. Nvidia is sourcing the panels from some supplier and companies like Asus etc will be actually making them. Who knows. I share the same concerns as you, fast screens with so-so picture quality compared to a TV.

 

[Skel]

I made the jump yesterday. I found the Samsung Q9F for $2500 out the door. So far I love the stupid thing. It's made what little content of 4k much prettier. Made my Xbox games much more colorful. Sadly the only 4k TV type stuff is Netflix, which looks great, but I've got to wait until DirecTV sends someone to upgrade my box (apparently it's way too much with unhooking the old box and putting the new one in it's place for a mere mortal like myself) tomorrow for more

 

[IGBT]

Wondering if the HDR function in these early sets will by firmware update able?? Lots of controversy and variance with HDR among the manufactures.

 

[arandomguy]

I'd be extremely skeptical about any current OLED making it 5+ years with no image retention issues.

At this point unless they either announce some sort of breakthrough, actually warranty for image retention, or the price drops low enough to be a disposable (this would be income/willingness to spend dependent) I personally would not get an OLED. But I know my usage will likely be also on the heavier side in terms of image retention potential.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test

 

[Zivic]

I'd be extremely skeptical about any current OLED making it 5+ years with no image retention issues.

At this point unless they either announce some sort of breakthrough, actually warranty for image retention, or the price drops low enough to be a disposable (this would be income/willingness to spend dependent) I personally would not get an OLED. But I know my usage will likely be also on the heavier side in terms of image retention potential.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test

I have had a 15 and currently have a '16 E6 oled now for about 18 months. of all the things to be concerned with oled, IR isn't even on my radar. have never seen seen it... never

we had these same discussions about plasma... oh, you will need to refill the gas... oh, its going to burn in....

You want to know the real issue with oled? whites... that is all.. that's it... they are anything and everything but white. screen uniformity when displaying a dominantly white image is their downfall. that said it is the downfall of a lot of LCD panels as well.

unless youve owned one and experienced IR or burn-in, youre spreading fud

 

[cmdrdredd]

Wondering if the HDR function in these early sets will by firmware update able?? Lots of controversy and variance with HDR among the manufactures.

Early? HDR has been a thing for 3 years now. There is really no problem with new sets. The problem is your output device supporting HDR from the apps.

 

[WhiteNoise]

IMO for movies there is nothing better than the OLED LG displays. Sweet baby jesus they are beautiful.

Also IMO I would not buy an OLED TV if it was going to be used for gaming. I prefer the Samsung SUHD.

 

[cmdrdredd]

IMO for movies there is nothing better than the OLED LG displays. Sweet baby jesus they are beautiful.

Also IMO I would not buy an OLED TV if it was going to be used for gaming. I prefer the Samsung SUHD.

The LG OLED sets have 21ms of input lag in game mode from any resolution or HDR mode. That’s pretty darn good. To be perfectly honest I just purchased a 65” B7 yesterday. Pretty nice. Could be brighter for HDR but the black levels help give the appearance of the highlights being brighter than they really are. I am very cautious about getting burn in though. Also the game mode is quite dark in hdr and I had to adjust some settings to get it to appear correctly and not be unplayable.