Today Britain votes on remaining part of the EU

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Imp

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Oh yeah I forgot all the benefits of NAFTA like....ummmm or ohyeah who can forget uhhhhh. What were they again?

I still pay 20% customs on stuff I buy from the U.S... Guess if I start a business I can pay my Mexican workers US$ 25/day?
 

biostud

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CNN:

The UK has been a member of the European Union (and its precursors) since 1973, and it will take at least two years -- if not more -- to sort out the exit from the 28-country bloc.

It took three years for Greenland to leave EU in 1982, so it is going to be a long process.
 

senseamp

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Can someone actually explain to me why the markets are reacting like this? Are they just startled because they've been completely complacent about risk and overvalued, or is this a real economic issue? I mean Britain has its own currency anyways, it will probably negotiate trade deals with EU that maintain the status quo as much as possible. Why would Japanese Yen rally 5% vs the dollar over this?
 

DigDog

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The social experiment was a failure.

people keep saying this but it was never a social experiment, it was supposed to be exclusively an economic union.

when the EU was originally planned, it was due to be composed only of the economically stable countries, so NOT poland; which sure, lately has come a long way (mostly through money coming in from the other EU countries), but the watering down of the stronger economies was obvious. with poland the choice was reasonable, due to GDP, education, etc ..

but we were meant to be OUR europe, not everyone's europe. the reason why it has failed is partly due to the insane immigration. each country has its own loopholes, and once you are in, you can go "anywhere" (the UK), and the EU itself has more.

don't blame the problems resulting from one situation on another.
 

Pneumothorax

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Time to plan a trip to the UK!

Can someone actually explain to me why the markets are reacting like this? Are they just startled because they've been completely complacent about risk and overvalued, or is this a real economic issue? I mean Britain has its own currency anyways, it will probably negotiate trade deals with EU that maintain the status quo as much as possible. Why would Japanese Yen rally 5% vs the dollar over this?

Maybe because the banks see the UK as one of the pillars of the EU that are holding up poor countries like Greece/Italy/Portugal/Spain.
 
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Imp

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when the EU was originally planned, it was due to be composed only of the economically stable countries, so NOT poland; which sure, lately has come a long way (mostly through money coming in from the other EU countries), but the watering down of the stronger economies was obvious. with poland the choice was reasonable, due to GDP, education, etc ..

but we were meant to be OUR europe, not everyone's europe. the reason why it has failed is partly due to the insane immigration. each country has its own loopholes, and once you are in, you can go "anywhere" (the UK), and the EU itself has more.

The Poland thing... I think there are countries with similar economic backgrounds now part of the EU. Couple that with the freedom of travel thing, I can see why people are upset. The fact that it's happening makes complete sense: people from less developed countries migrate to the nicer, richer countries. It happens everywhere despite visa-restricted travel in most of the world. I think this is now happening with refugees?

To me, a comparable situation looks like the U.S. opening the doors to Mexico. Even in Canada, we had a Temporary Foreign Worker program that allowed fast-food workers to migrate here from poorer parts of Asia -- it was supposed to be for "special" skills. This pissed everyone off and the government had to implement changes.
 

sportage

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One thing we all can count on starting tomorrow.
Stocks will tank and your 401K's will take a major loss.
And retirees will cry foul, employers will be in shock, and anyone planning on their 401K for retirement better have a plan II in place.

All we need now is to elect Donald Trump.
Then all the nightmares about the future will come true.
Sleep well...
 
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tommo123

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Italy is probably first in line. They have some serious economic problems and polls say like 51% want out.

seriously? pre the common currency weren't they experiencing inflation like crazy? i was a kid at the time but (basing it on currencies at the time) i recall 7-10 francs to a pound and god knows how many lire. millions? and it was increasing faster than our inflation in the UK iirc.

if France or Italy leaves then that experiment has failed. i mean there's no way even the Germans would stay in and bankroll Greece, northern ireland etc right?
 

Slew Foot

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One thing we all can count on starting tomorrow.
Stocks will tank and your 401K's will take a major loss.
And retirees will cry foul, employers will be in shock, and anyone planning on their 401K for retirement better have a plan II in place.

All we need now is to elect Donald Trump.
Then all the nightmares about the future will come true.
Sleep well...


meh, itll go back up
 

Triloby

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Probably a stupid question, but what exactly does this mean for the U.S.?

I ask that because the financial markets are shitting themselves over the actual decision now. I guess the financial markets have a little bit of influence with the U.S. economy?
 

tommo123

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Questions, if the Scots mostly (55% or so?) wanted to stay, could this lead to a rush vote to leave the UK again?
 

tommo123

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Probably a stupid question, but what exactly does this mean for the U.S.?

I ask that because the financial markets are shitting themselves over the actual decision now. I guess the financial markets have a little bit of influence with the U.S. economy?

everyone (politicians, POTUS, CEOs, the IMF i think too) wanted us to stay in the EU and no one knows what the fuck to do. so everyones like
 

Imp

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Questions, if the Scots mostly (55% or so?) wanted to stay, could this lead to a rush vote to leave the UK again?

I hope not. Getting right down to it, they share the same island, speak the same language, use the same currency, and have a lot in common with England.

Northern Ireland though... I'm surprised they haven't joined up with regular Ireland yet.
 

DigDog

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obviously the stock market is taking the plunge. people smarter than us know that leaving is a mistake which will make the UK weaker.

waiting now to hear from all the pro-exit to tell me how me & every economist and speculator in the world are wrong.
 

Painman

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obviously the stock market is taking the plunge. people smarter than us know that leaving is a mistake which will make the UK weaker.

waiting now to hear from all the pro-exit to tell me how me & every economist and speculator in the world are wrong.

It's all stupid people's fault, of course.
 

Imp

Lifer
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obviously the stock market is taking the plunge. people smarter than us know that leaving is a mistake which will make the UK weaker.

waiting now to hear from all the pro-exit to tell me how me & every economist and speculator in the world are wrong.

Well, those were the people who effectively caused the 2008 crash and also didn't see it coming... and subsequently exposed the weaknesses in the EU.

Edit: Also, those same people were predicting a Remain vote winning up until 12 hours ago -- look at the stock charts for everything up until yesterday.
 

norseamd

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people keep saying this but it was never a social experiment, it was supposed to be exclusively an economic union.

when the EU was originally planned, it was due to be composed only of the economically stable countries, so NOT poland; which sure, lately has come a long way (mostly through money coming in from the other EU countries), but the watering down of the stronger economies was obvious. with poland the choice was reasonable, due to GDP, education, etc ..

but we were meant to be OUR europe, not everyone's europe. the reason why it has failed is partly due to the insane immigration. each country has its own loopholes, and once you are in, you can go "anywhere" (the UK), and the EU itself has more.

don't blame the problems resulting from one situation on another.

From what I have read in the last few days, a lot of the hate hasnt even been about middle eastern refugees but other EU immigrants.

White, Christian, culturally advanced, good worker, and integrate well into society? Yeah well fuck you Pole, cause you aint English.
 
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