Today I added up all the tax I pay

[Throckmorton]

Federal income: $3,014
Social Security and Medicare: $1,943
State income: $1,883

Total: $6,840
Salary: $36,516

That's not even counting the 4% excise tax we have in Hawaii.

So how do I get to be one of the 47% that conservatives claim pay no taxes? I think I heard it has to do with having children out of wedlock and being a deadbeat. Whatever it is, I need to figure it out because then I'd have zero debt and some nice savings!

 

[soundforbjt]

Get married (to someone who doesn't work) and have 3 or 4 kids, you'll soon be on your way to the right-wing's vision of poor paradise. You already live in a high priced state, you're halfway there.

 

[Fern]

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So how do I get to be one of the 47% that conservatives claim pay no taxes?

I wasn't aware that was a "conservative claim".

I'm pretty sure it's a verifiable fact.

Oh, and take a tip from Timmy G. and use Turbo tax this year.

Fern

 

[bfdd]

What are you claiming etc? For instance I can tell you right now there were times I was seeing 40%+ of my paycheck vanish and it SUCKED. I was working 90+ hrs a week and watching it vanish. Sure you get 7k in refund afterwards, but I'd rather not have to deal with a refund.

 

[Throckmorton]

I wasn't aware that was a "conservative claim".

I'm pretty sure it's a verifiable fact.

Oh, and take a tip from Timmy G. and use Turbo tax this year.

Fern

It's a BS claim.

I don't need Turbo Tax, I know how to do my taxes manually. Though I've use H&R Block's online thing for the last couple years because it's simpler. Last year I went to the H&R Block office because I had to deal with 2 different jobs, 2 states, and withdrawals from my Simple IRA and Scottrade account. I a $500 refund thanks to moving expenses, but had to pay $250 for their services.

 

[Throckmorton]

What are you claiming etc? For instance I can tell you right now there were times I was seeing 40%+ of my paycheck vanish and it SUCKED. I was working 90+ hrs a week and watching it vanish. Sure you get 7k in refund afterwards, but I'd rather not have to deal with a refund.

All I can claim is the standard deduction for myself.

 

[JS80]

Federal income: $3,014
Social Security and Medicare: $1,943
State income: $1,883

Total: $6,840
Salary: $36,516

That's not even counting the 4% excise tax we have in Hawaii.

So how do I get to be one of the 47% that conservatives claim pay no taxes? I think I heard it has to do with having children out of wedlock and being a deadbeat. Whatever it is, I need to figure it out because then I'd have zero debt and some nice savings!

I paid more in federal taxes YTD than your salary and I'm not even in the 1% so go fuck yourself.

 

[xBiffx]

I paid more in federal taxes YTD than your salary and I'm not even in the 1% so go fuck yourself.

I was about to say this. I wish I had that as a tax bill as well.

 

[Throckmorton]

I paid more in federal taxes YTD than your salary and I'm not even in the 1% so go fuck yourself.

Yes I'm sure it's very difficult making enough money that your taxes are higher than my salary!

Maybe we can work out some deal where we exchange salaries for all of next year. I'll be rich and you'll get to pay low taxes. Win-win!

 

[bfdd]

All I can claim is the standard deduction for myself.

Well you also weren't making as much as me either. 90 hrs a week at lets say 20 dollars an hour, 800 for the first 40, everything Friday and Saturday was OT so 30 bucks an hour, figure another 700-900 dollars, then Sunday was all double time so 40 dollars an hour and a minimum of 480 dollars for Sunday. I'd come out with just over half the amount. 1200-1300 dollars?

What really sucked was going from these long hour weeks for like 1 1/2 months, to 30-40 hours a week and getting taxed at the same bracket. FUCK that would blow.

 

[Fern]

It's a BS claim.
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47% don't pay federal income tax. Have a look here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/14/business/economy/14leonhardt.html

The 47 percent number is not wrong. The stimulus programs of the last two years — the first one signed by President George W. Bush, the second and larger one by President Obama — have increased the number of households that receive enough of a tax credit to wipe out their federal income tax liability.

Fern

 

[xBiffx]

Yes I'm sure it's very difficult making enough money that your taxes are higher than my salary!

Jealous that your entire wealth of talent does't equate to what others have in their little finger? I'm sure it's difficult to sit around and bitch about what everyone else has that you don't.

 

[bfdd]

btw throck, you're a gubment employee. i don't believe you guys should pay taxes anyways. it doesn't make sense to tax tax money...

 

[Throckmorton]

Jealous that your entire wealth of talent does't equate to what others have in their little finger? I'm sure it's difficult to sit around and bitch about what everyone else has that you don't.

JS80 is the one who told me to go fuck myself because I make less than he pays in taxes.

 

[Throckmorton]

btw throck, you're a gubment employee. i don't believe you guys should pay taxes anyways. it doesn't make sense to tax tax money...

It's the only way to do it fairly. I work for a county government, so would that mean I pay federal and state tax but no county taxes? And the federal employees would pay state and county taxes but not federal? All your plan would do is make it impossible to compare wages, and allow exploitation by different governments.

 

[bfdd]

It's the only way to do it fairly. I work for a county government, so would that mean I pay federal and state tax but no county taxes? And the federal employees would pay state and county taxes but not federal? All your plan would do is make it impossible to compare wages, and allow exploitation by different governments.

Salary cap. You're a public servant, you choose to serve the public, it should be an honor, not for cash.

 

[hellod9]

47% don't pay federal income tax. Have a look here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/14/business/economy/14leonhardt.html



Fern

Fern:

1. Throckmorton referred to "the 47% that conservatives claim pay no taxes"
2. You said it might be a 'verifiable fact.'
3. Your reference proves something else.
4. You lose.

The claim that 47% of people don't pay taxes is wrong. You said, quote "I'm pretty sure it's a verifiable fact." Thanks for verifying SOMETHING ELSE. You win today's "FOX NEWS CHAMPION AWARD."

Reality check here. How many of those 47% pay social security, medicare, sales tax, gasoline tax, payroll taxes, property tax, or any combination of these taxes...

Need I go on?

 

[Throckmorton]

Salary cap. You're a public servant, you choose to serve the public, it should be an honor, not for cash.

What does a salary cap have to do with taxes? My point is that there are too many different levels of government, and too many sources of tax revenue, to just have all government workers pay no tax.


Most people do work for the government because they want to do public service... But making $11-12/hr take home pay completely cured me of that desire.

 

[davmat787]

Fern:

*snip*

Need I go on?

Whenever the 47% figure is thrown around, it is known that it is referring to income tax only. Just like the 99%/1% numbers, we know what they refer to without explicitly stating the context. I have never come across someone who thinks the 47% figure means no taxes period, that would be silly as no one is getting around the other type of taxes you listed.

 

[JSt0rm]

I could of sworn you started a thread like this last year.

 

[davmat787]

I could of sworn you started a thread like this last year.

Must be that time of the month, er year, for Throck.

 

[The-Noid]

This is obviously a trolling thread, I will bite.
Great for you that you hardly pay any of your income in tax.
I paid close to 40% of my topline last year. Is that enough? 43% compared to 40% really doesn't make a huge difference though. I will say that.
Thank you self employment!

 

[hellod9]

Whenever the 47% figure is thrown around, it is known that it is referring to income tax only. Just like the 99%/1% numbers, we know what they refer to without explicitly stating the context. I have never come across someone who thinks the 47% figure means no taxes period, that would be silly as no one is getting around the other type of taxes you listed.

Whenever davmat787 is thrown around, it is known that it is referring to dave matthews. Just like HP/Harry Potter we know what they refer to without explicitly stating the context. I have never come across someone who thinks davmat787 doesn't mean dave mathews that would be silly as no one else thinks we should say what we mean.

 

[Throckmorton]

This is obviously a trolling thread, I will bite.
Great for you that you hardly pay any of your income in tax.
I paid close to 40% of my topline last year. Is that enough?
Thank you self employment!

I wouldn't call 18% "hardly any"

 

[The-Noid]

I wouldn't call 18% "hardly any"

I would. Pay 40% instead. Then we can fight. Going to 18% puts an Aston Martin in my garage every year. Think of it that way...

The tax system is fair. If I pay a bit more that is fine. Everyone needs to be in the same boat though. 2% here is fine. 5% here without major concessions from A LOT of groups doesn't fly.

I won't even bring up the risk argument because that is pretty well understood by everyone.