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whm1974

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You do realize that this type of historical writing isnt at all relevant to understanding what happened in the past right?

Writing styles change. In 50 years are we going to learn about the art and style of the lol generation ?

I'll be honest, as someone that grew up as a millennial (sadly) I simply have zero fucks to give for irrelevant historical stories and English styles. I'm too busy learning coding and having skills that make 6 figures. You know... priorities.
 

VirtualLarry

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I'll be honest, as someone that grew up as a millennial (sadly) I simply have zero fucks to give for irrelevant historical stories and English styles. I'm too busy learning coding and having skills that make 6 figures. You know... priorities.
And... the new era of "Idiocracy" moves onward, and downward.

(Not singling you out, just pointing out that the world seems to be moving quickly and scarily in the direction of that movie (documentary?), and by dissing the classics as you would, in pursuit of mere money, well, that kind of sums things up, doesn't it? Now run along, and get a "gentleman's latte".)
 

whm1974

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And... the new era of "Idiocracy" moves onward, and downward.

(Not singling you out, just pointing out that the world seems to be moving quickly and scarily in the direction of that movie (documentary?), and by dissing the classics as you would, in pursuit of mere money, well, that kind of sums things up, doesn't it? Now run along, and get a "gentleman's latte".)
Indeed. There is more to life then making six figures.
 
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And... the new era of "Idiocracy" moves onward, and downward.

(Not singling you out, just pointing out that the world seems to be moving quickly and scarily in the direction of that movie (documentary?), and by dissing the classics as you would, in pursuit of mere money, well, that kind of sums things up, doesn't it? Now run along, and get a "gentleman's latte".)
For everything that you can vote that you studied in your generation, I can cite 50 that you didn't study. Not saying they are important, just stating that for everything you deem as a priority you are downplaying 10 other things based on your implicit bias.
 

whm1974

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For everything that you can vote that you studied in your generation, I can cite 50 that you didn't study. Not saying they are important, just stating that for everything you deem as a priority you are downplaying 10 other things based on your implicit bias.
Off hand I think it best that students learn a wide range of subjects.
 

DigDog

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Jeez, Tom Sawyer is stuff i read when i was 12yo. Good luck when you get to the Romantic poets, or even Joyce !!
 

zinfamous

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You do realize that this type of historical writing isnt at all relevant to understanding what happened in the past right?

Writing styles change. In 50 years are we going to learn about the art and style of the lol generation ?

I'll be honest, as someone that grew up as a millennial (sadly) I simply have zero fucks to give for irrelevant historical stories and English styles. I'm too busy learning coding and having skills that make 6 figures. You know... priorities.

Ignorance of history is why people continue to do the same stupid things over and over. Like vote for Trump.
 

FerrelGeek

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Yaaayyyyy!!!!! I got my first dislike reaction from some whiny little twat that never even bothered to post in this thread. Never even replied to my post indicating why he got so butt-hurt. I'll give props to Bobo for asking me why and I provided direct evidence from my 2 youngest kids - who attended a very highly rated school, btw. So pete6032, why don't you man up and at least reply to this thread or tell me why you disagree.

So, to the forum elites, if I get too many reds, do I have to go out on the apology tour? If my reds reach a certain amount, so I get thrown out of certain establishments who only cater to the greens? If my reds get too high, do I go the re-education, aka, get an electro-lobotomy? If I stay red and am a minority on the forum, do I get to claim minority status and get political protection. If I start acting like a green poster, am I guilty of green cultural appropriation? Should we start a red studies program in universities? Wow, the implications of redness / greenness could be immense.

That's because reading in schools these days is garbage. When I was in school, we read classics. Can't do that anymore, especially if it's stuff written by dead white guys. And yes, that's the case. My two younger kids brought home what they were reading and by-and-large, it was pure dreck. My kids thought so too.
 

repoman0

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I'll be honest, as someone that grew up as a millennial (sadly) I simply have zero fucks to give for irrelevant historical stories and English styles. I'm too busy learning coding and having skills that make 6 figures. You know... priorities.

If you told this to me at a job interview, there is a roughly 0.0 percent chance I'd hire you. In fact the average salary at my company is solid six figures and I doubt very many people have this attitude that they exist solely to make money. Sounds like a recipe for an unhappy life and an unpleasant person to work with.
 

repoman0

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Yaaayyyyy!!!!! I got my first dislike reaction from some whiny little twat that never even bothered to post in this thread. Never even replied to my post indicating why he got so butt-hurt. I'll give props to Bobo for asking me why and I provided direct evidence from my 2 youngest kids - who attended a very highly rated school, btw. So pete6032, why don't you man up and at least reply to this thread or tell me why you disagree.

So, to the forum elites, if I get too many reds, do I have to go out on the apology tour? If my reds reach a certain amount, so I get thrown out of certain establishments who only cater to the greens? If my reds get too high, do I go the re-education, aka, get an electro-lobotomy? If I stay red and am a minority on the forum, do I get to claim minority status and get political protection. If I start acting like a green poster, am I guilty of green cultural appropriation? Should we start a red studies program in universities? Wow, the implications of redness / greenness could be immense.

Who's butthurt again?
 
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IronWing

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Yaaayyyyy!!!!! I got my first dislike reaction from some whiny little twat that never even bothered to post in this thread. Never even replied to my post indicating why he got so butt-hurt. I'll give props to Bobo for asking me why and I provided direct evidence from my 2 youngest kids - who attended a very highly rated school, btw. So pete6032, why don't you man up and at least reply to this thread or tell me why you disagree.

So, to the forum elites, if I get too many reds, do I have to go out on the apology tour? If my reds reach a certain amount, so I get thrown out of certain establishments who only cater to the greens? If my reds get too high, do I go the re-education, aka, get an electro-lobotomy? If I stay red and am a minority on the forum, do I get to claim minority status and get political protection. If I start acting like a green poster, am I guilty of green cultural appropriation? Should we start a red studies program in universities? Wow, the implications of redness / greenness could be immense.
With so few reactions, we can make your karma bar blink green and red like a Christmas light.
 
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If you told this to me at a job interview, there is a roughly 0.0 percent chance I'd hire you. In fact the average salary at my company is solid six figures and I doubt very many people have this attitude that they exist solely to make money. Sounds like a recipe for an unhappy life and an unpleasant person to work with.
I think people misunderstood what I meant. I never said history in of itself wasnt important.

Also I'm not retarded, so of course I wouldnt mention something like that in a job interview. Plus I have no need, plenty of recruiters drooling over my shoulder constantly anyhow
 

spacejamz

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In the past year or two in school, my kid read Romeo and Juliet and Animal Farm. To my knowledge, both written by dead white guys.
They did also read some modern young adult fiction.

Wonder when the SJW protests about classic literature and even classical music will start since it was all written by white males and should be protested...
 

IronWing

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Wonder when the SJW protests about classic literature and even classical music will start since it was all written by white males and should be protested...
That started back in the 80s. Most people ignored it then and and will likely to continue to ignore it.
 

snoopy7548

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Having an open mind and being well-read greatly helps in every single facet of your life, from your job to playing videogames. Just because you might be a brilliant engineer doesn't mean a little philosophy and literature can't help you and/or serve a purpose.

If you define yourself by your job... cool...

These kids should read (and then watch) A Clockwork Orange.
 
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GagHalfrunt

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Dr Seuss is too hard for modern students. They need to retreat to a safe space when they read "One Fish Two Fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish" because those poor piscine-Americans are being judged by the color of their scales.
 
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spacejamz

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That started back in the 80s. Most people ignored it then and and will likely to continue to ignore it.

I don't remember any protests in the 80's about classic literature or music simply because the authors/composers were white males...pretty sure it wouldn't have the same impact as a protest today because social media was pretty much non-existent back then...
 
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