Today's good deed. Captured lost bengal/asian snow leopard

[Sinsear]

i like how your title makes it look like you're some kind of bad ass for catching a house cat.

Pretty much this. OP is a tool.

 

[Jodell88]

You are a sad little man.

Almost all the breeders and rescues will refer to this as a F1 Bengal/Asian Snow Leopard.

I included the pictures and even included a standard cat next to it.

Grow up.

Funny, I searched for "F1 Bengal/Asian Snow Leopard" and this is the first hit on google. Even more evidence you're talking crap.

What you found was a Bengal / Asian Snow Leopard CAT, huge difference.

 

[zinfamous]

You are a sad little man.

Almost all the breeders and rescues will refer to this as a F1 Bengal/Asian Snow Leopard.

I included the pictures and even included a standard cat next to it.

Grow up.

no

http://wildaboutbengals.com/bengalbreed.htm
http://www.savannahcatbreed.com/breed-info/bengal
http://www.nitewindes.com/earlygen.html


"Asian Leopard cat" =/= "Asian Snow Leopard cat"


I'm not seeing any of these breeders refer to "Asian Snow Leopard Cat"

If breeders use those interchangeably, though, then that wouldn't be surprising. Most breeders wouldn't be biologists, and may not care about such real distinctions.

That being said--these type of breeders--especially those who breed and cross pigeons--tend to be enthusiasts who are very knowledgeable about their subject. I doubt your assertion that breeders would commonly refer to them as "Asian Snow Leopard Cats" when they are most certainly "Asian Leopard cats."

You might, of course, because you are Alkemyst.

Even then, I doubt that. The most likely scenario here is that you miss-typed the breed in your title, and you being you, simply refuse to admit such a simple mistake. Or, of course, you could indeed be trying to trump up the danger/coolness of your deed, just being Alkemyst.

It's still a funny thread--you legitimately did a good deed for people, and that certainly is a good trap you scored.

But you being you, will never relent.

 

[zinfamous]

This is an Asian Leopard cat:

It looks very much like an F1 Bengal.

This is a Snow Leopard, a highly endangered, and very, very rare species that would never be hybridized for poofy cat fanciers:

It really looks nothing like the bengal cat. Well, to an untrained eye, it might--but I assure you there are far too many phenotypic differences at first glance to ever suggest a close F1 relationship with a bengal.

 

[AMCRambler]

Cmon this is Alkemyst here. He's the atot resident expert on strange pussy lol. I gotta believe he knows what he caught.

 

[zinfamous]

Cmon this is Alkemyst here. He's the atot resident expert on strange pussy lol. I gotta believe he knows what he caught.

Of course he knows what he caught--and he did catch an F1 bengal; he's just very wrong on the hybridization of the bengal (with one simple word, heh).

He's also claiming that everyone who breeds these things uses the same name as he (Asian Snow Leopard)--a claim which seems to be very much untrue, as well.

 

[Jodell88]

Of course he knows what he caught--and he did catch an F1 bengal; he's just very wrong on the hybridization of the bengal (with one simple word, heh).

He's also claiming that everyone who breeds these things uses the same name as he (Asian Snow Leopard)--a claim which seems to be very much untrue, as well.

I heard he was chased by a ferocious Doberman Pinscher last week. I got a picture of it.

 

[sjwaste]

Meh, whatever. I give this guy a hard time, but Alky's a good dude with animals. Whatever that cat is, it is awesome looking, and it's been reunited with its owner. A good move on his behalf.

PS. I think I just saw John Stamos in a yogurt commercial. That has nothing to do with any of this, but what the hell.

 

[zinfamous]

Meh, whatever. I give this guy a hard time, but Alky's a good dude with animals. Whatever that cat is, it is awesome looking, and it's been reunited with its owner. A good move on his behalf.

PS. I think I just saw John Stamos in a yogurt commercial. That has nothing to do with any of this, but what the hell.

I very much agree with this.

:thumbsup:

 

[Zebo]

Alky what is it you do in so far as animals? What are these traps you have? Pretty cool ppl get their pet back.

 

[Number1]

What do you want? A medal?

 

[sjwaste]

What do you want? A medal?

Ha! You got fleeced! I would have settled for a hard roll with ketchup inside.

 

[alkemyst]

Alky what is it you do in so far as animals? What are these traps you have? Pretty cool ppl get their pet back.

Contrary to most here thinking my 'life' has just been a story, I was not only a Zoology major on my path to a Pharmacy degree; I have been very active in pet causes for a long time now esp more so now that my income is at a level that I can afford it.

Mostly my traps (crates, one large drop trap, and a hav-a-hart) are used to capture sick ferals or someone's indoor cat that ends up in my yard.

I can then get them veterinary care or back to the owners.

 

[alkemyst]

What do you want? A medal?

As a canadian, you guys don't understand medals.

 

[alkemyst]

Of course he knows what he caught--and he did catch an F1 bengal; he's just very wrong on the hybridization of the bengal (with one simple word, heh).

He's also claiming that everyone who breeds these things uses the same name as he (Asian Snow Leopard)--a claim which seems to be very much untrue, as well.

It's an Asian Snow Leopard Cat if you want the full name.

Like someone breeding German Shepherd Dogs saying only German Shepherd.

It's only on ATOT, that people will automatically fill in the blanks an OP is stating even when they have provided pics of someone outlandish claimed.

There were several professionals working on this as these cats can be easily re-sold on the black market. Many in that community have applauded my efforts, even the rescue people don't understand how they were unsuccessful with the same trap yet I was.

Again I am sure most of our geniuses here will go on record "who'd pay for something like that?"

sigh.

 

[SandEagle]

I applaud your humanitarian efforts. :thumbsup:

 

[alkemyst]

It's clear most here think 5 mins of google makes anyone an expert.

The correct 'common' names are bengal and asian leopard cat

A lot of places will call these hybrids Snow Bengals and other combinations. Capitalizing on the Snow Leopard. Just like we have 1000's of designer dog breeds and only a few are officially recognized...a breeder can call these pretty much whatever; they are hybrids.

The Asian Leopard Cat resembles the Asian Snow Leopard. The Asian Snow Leopard is one of the smallest of the big cats with some weighing as little at 50lbs and only getting up to around 200lbs at the very top.

For more of your zoology lesson..."Bengal" comes from the Asian Leopard's scientific name which I could look it up, trust me the word bengal is in it. Many think it's because of a bengal tiger, some thing they are crossed with those same tigers.

They take that Asian Snow Leopard (an undomesticated cat/a wild animal) and cross them with a common house cat. Various breeders have their own preferences on that stock.

The first breeding results in F1 (first generation) kittens. These cats are usually very wild still and dangerous to most people. F Levels are common to many hybrids, horses being common to many. Many place the F4 generation (the fourth) as the deciding point.

By the 3rd generation(F3) from the original Asian Leopard Cat stock the cats are generally safe for people that understand animals, most recommend sticking to F4 (4th generation) for the most tame cats that still retain the breed characteristics. It's safer as even in the F4 types some may show higher levels of aggression and 'wildness' that are undesirable for a 'pet'. I don't advocate these breeds, just stating the hows and whys. When you have the wealthy and/or those just looking for a furry status symbol willing to drop five figures on a house cat, you will have breeders lining up to take that cash.

A lot of you guys are simply dicks and this is why you have been so unsuccessful in life.

 

[ichy]

Meh, whatever. I give this guy a hard time, but Alky's a good dude with animals. Whatever that cat is, it is awesome looking, and it's been reunited with its owner. A good move on his behalf.

This.

 

[zinfamous]

It's an Asian Snow Leopard Cat if you want the full name.

Like someone breeding German Shepherd Dogs saying only German Shepherd.

It's only on ATOT, that people will automatically fill in the blanks an OP is stating even when they have provided pics of someone outlandish claimed.

There were several professionals working on this as these cats can be easily re-sold on the black market. Many in that community have applauded my efforts, even the rescue people don't understand how they were unsuccessful with the same trap yet I was.

Again I am sure most of our geniuses here will go on record "who'd pay for something like that?"

sigh.

Look:

Asian Snow Leopard /= Asian Leopard cat. they are very different. In all that I have seen, the Bengal comes from the Asian Leopard cat, period.

Any suggestion of Asian Snow Leopard seems to be a misnomer. You can look at the two animals and see, quite easily, that they are very different animals. They have enough phenotypic differences to suggest, to me, that an offspring of the two, if possible, would not be fertile.

Meaning: one could never use an Asian Snow Leopard for this type of hybrid breeding.

 

[zinfamous]

Snow Leopard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_leopard

Species: U. uncia

Asian Leopard Cat:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_Cat#Subspecies

Species: P. bengalensis

Hell, the Leopard cat isn't even a leopard in scientific classification.


So, that argument is completely settled (for rational people that won't dispute simple phylogenetics)


Now: I've done your work for you, and this all could have been settled if you actually chose to engage in your argumetn rather than puff and paw with nothing to back it up:

http://greenmansions.net/snow_main.htm

As far as the Bengal house cat goes, there is a variety that breeders seem to refer to as "Snow Benga.l" It is distinguished by its pattern, obviously, but is no more related to the real snow leopard than is the other Bengal variety, or the real Asian Leopard cat.

 

[alkemyst]

That is correct, however; people misuse the proper naming often.

Just like many refer to Bengals with different 'full names'

This is not a biological/zoological forum, we are discussing layman's terms.

People want to troll though, I am sure these are all people educated beyond the junior college level in such things and not Google flunkies.

To argue further is idiotic.

 

[alkemyst]

Snow Leopard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_leopard

Species: U. uncia

Asian Leopard Cat:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_Cat#Subspecies

Species: P. bengalensis

Hell, the Leopard cat isn't even a leopard in scientific classification.


So, that argument is completely settled (for rational people that won't dispute simple phylogenetics)


Now: I've done your work for you, and this all could have been settled if you actually chose to engage in your argumetn rather than puff and paw with nothing to back it up:

http://greenmansions.net/snow_main.htm

As far as the Bengal house cat goes, there is a variety that breeders seem to refer to as "Snow Benga.l" It is distinguished by its pattern, obviously, but is no more related to the real snow leopard than is the other Bengal variety, or the real Asian Leopard cat.

I clarified above already. Go google bro!

BTW I never claimed this was bred with a true Leopard. Only those here thought that because they are miserable people.

 

[zinfamous]

well...you didn't. you still claimed that the Snow Leopard was used to cross into these breeds, which is demonstrably false.

They take that Asian Snow Leopard (an undomesticated cat/a wild animal) and cross them with a common house cat. Various breeders have their own preferences on that stock.

The first breeding results in F1 (first generation) kittens. These cats are usually very wild still and dangerous to most people. F Levels are common to many hybrids, horses being common to many. Many place the F4 generation (the fourth) as the deciding point.

However, this is obnoxious. You did a good job Alky, and you should be happy with that. You've had a rough few weeks.

 

[slightlyhuman]

good job. glad to see you're only a douche rocket on the forums.

 

[alkemyst]

well...you didn't. you still claimed that the Snow Leopard was used to cross into these breeds, which is demonstrably false.



However, this is obnoxious. You did a good job Alky, and you should be happy with that. You've had a rough few weeks.

From my clarification:

"The Asian Leopard Cat resembles the Asian Snow Leopard."

"They take that Asian Snow Leopard..."

I was using 'that' to point to the previous object.

My clarification should have made it clear again.

But just let me repeat it again...they are not breeding with the big cat known as the Asian Snow Leopard/Ounce or any species in the Genus: Uncia. To be further more broad we can say nothing in the subfamily of Pantherinae.

These are kitty cats.

PURR.....