Toddler dies during dental procedure, autopsy shows no dental disease

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mikeymikec

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They don't need to be informed to know that baby teeth are not permanent, it's common sense and knowledge. Parents are to blame because they don't exercise common sense. Why put your child through a risky procedure to fix teeth that will eventually fall out?

Of course they're not permanent, but a kid is stuck with them for quite some time. I would be surprised if milk teeth didn't sometimes require fillings for the same immediate reasons that adults do, to prevent disease and unnecessary pain.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8112603.stm
 

Squeetard

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Whether or not filling or other work is required at what age is not the point here. The dentist was committing full on fraud when he said the infant needed fillings and crowns. The autopsy showed no signs of any of these defects. Straight up fraud rip off that cost a life.
 

Mike64

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Why would anybody crown baby teeth. That is insane.
And why would any parent in that situation do anything but grab the kid and run out the door while dialing 911, for Christ's sake? Not that I'm by an means excusing the dentist who afaic (at first glance and without giving it any professional consideration) should be charged with negligent homicide at the very least, but still...

And treatment, including fillings, sure, but crowns? The peculiar combination of dental-related genes I managed to inherit (some from both sides) can only be described as "Satan's handiwork itself" and I've had more dental work done than I care to recall starting in my mid teens (plus what seemed like an innocuous few fillings in "baby teeth" but which were in retrospect probably harbingers of doom..) Over that time, my parents (at first) and I both asked a lot of questions, and I've done my own research, so I'm familiar with most of what can/might be done and the reasons for it. And I've never even heard of such a thing.

But even if it is ever warranted in particularly bizarre circumstances, it's certainly not something I"d allow to be done to a child in my care without thorough discussion beforehand (plus 2nd and/or 3rd opinions), never mind on a spur-of-the-moment, "oh-lookie-what-we-just-found" basis... I mean, it's not like exploratory surgery where you can't be sure what you'll find before you go in, decay that serious would show up like (really bright) neon lights on X-rays, not to mention most likely causing a kid that young to scream bloody murder when it was poked with pretty much any dental instrument...
 
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Whether or not filling or other work is required at what age is not the point here. The dentist was committing full on fraud when he said the infant needed fillings and crowns. The autopsy showed no signs of any of these defects. Straight up fraud rip off that cost a life.
Actually, that has become one of the important points in the context of this thread. People in this thread are effectively blaming the parents here for not being trained dentists. Ironically though, some people in this thread who think they know better are suggesting kids don't need dental work because the teeth will eventually fall out anyway, but that is simply not correct.
 

Mike64

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Actually, that has become one of the important points in the context of this thread. People in this thread are effectively blaming the parents here for not being trained dentists. Ironically though, some people in this thread who think they know better are suggesting kids don't need dental work because the teeth will eventually fall out anyway, but that is simply not correct.
I wouldn't say I'm "blaming the parents". It wasn't they who sedated the kid (properly or otherwise?) for no medical reason whatever. But I am saying that as matter of factual causation, if they weren't apparently complete morons, their kid would probably still be alive despite a run-in with a positively evil dentist... I mean seriously, just the fact that allegedly necessary work would require "sedation" of a toddler would have me asking a lot of questions all by itself, never mind demanding to know how the extensive work "discovered" at the last moment had somehow "slipped past" a visual exam and X-rays... (And in all seriousness, if a dentist (or any healthcare provider) gave me a horsehit story like that, even if I weren't completely sure he was lying right then and there, I'd rather be safe than sorry and would flat out tell him not to go near the kid again and then leave, worrying about considering my next step after the kid was safely in bed at home...)
 
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I wouldn't say I'm "blaming the parents". But I am saying that as simple matter of factual causation, if they weren't apparently complete morons, their kid would probably still be alive despite a run-in with a positively evil dentist... I mean seriously, the simple fact that allegedly "necessary" work would require "sedation" of a toddler would have me asking a lot of questions all by itself, never mind demanding to know how the extensive work "discovered" at the last moment had somehow "slipped past" a visual exam and X-rays... (And in all seriousness, if a dentist gave me a horsehit line like that, even if I weren't completely sure he was lying, I'd rather be safe than sorry and would flat out tell him not to go near the kid again and then leave, worrying about considering my next step after the kid was safely in bed at home...)
Actually, I probably would have had the same reaction as you, and would have gone for a second opinion too. But my post wasn't really aimed specifically at you.
 

TwiceOver

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My son has two crowns, due to my neglect in not forcing him to floss. At first I thought "BS, they are going to fall out eventually anyway", but after doing some research we found that healthy baby teeth promote proper mouth structure and health of the future "adult" tooth. It was $300, not like end of the world money.

This story however is a tragedy. Hope he at least has some assets for what is going to be a wrongful death and subsequent class action suit.
 

Mike64

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My son has two crowns, due to my neglect in not forcing him to floss. At first I thought "BS, they are going to fall out eventually anyway", but after doing some research we found that healthy baby teeth promote proper mouth structure and health of the future "adult" tooth.
Huh. Interesting. There's no doubt that oral hygiene is important for little kids (there is, unfortunately, no such thing as "baby gums", and despite their appearance, gums are basically all bone under a fairly thin layer of soft tissue, and equally unfortunately, any real damage to them at any age is more or less permanent, or at least has lasting ramifications.) But I'm a little surprised the initial cavities didn't cause noticeable pain before the decay got far enough to warrant crowns. Because they can cause problems of their own, they're usually considered "medically advisable" only when fillings are no longer sufficient...
 
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Of course they're not permanent, but a kid is stuck with them for quite some time. I would be surprised if milk teeth didn't sometimes require fillings for the same immediate reasons that adults do, to prevent disease and unnecessary pain.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8112603.stm

We are talking about a 14-month toddler here, not a 3 or 5 year old. At 14-month, their teeth can't be more than 6-7 months old. All I am saying is exercise some goddamn common sense and don't just let the professional do whatever the fuck they want. It's like bringing your brand new car in for an oil change and your mechanic wants to swap the whole engine. Wouldn't that raise a red flag for you?
 
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I cannot wrap my head around it. A baby has milk teeth and will get the permanent teeth around 7-11 years.
Why would they do fillings and crowns on milk teeth ? Parents and dentist are insane.
 

OverVolt

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One dentist says 12 cavities, another dentist says 4. Potatoes Patotoes, you know. Crooked dentists and such. I'm thinking that there is a glut of dentists compared to the real needs of the people and Dental school costs like $500k now so.... yea that happens.

I'm not even sure I needed the 3 fillings I got. I'm sure he did a super good job talking about boating and fishing while he was on there. He was courteous enough to remove the drill while laughing at jokes, what a great guy.
 

Mike64

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I cannot wrap my head around it. A baby has milk teeth and will get the permanent teeth around 7-11 years.
Why would they do fillings and crowns on milk teeth ? Parents and dentist are insane.
You're suggesting leaving cavities untreated for one or more years when they occur in young children? That would be extremely unwise. Fortunately, I gather you aren't a dentist...
 
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mikeymikec

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We are talking about a 14-month toddler here, not a 3 or 5 year old. At 14-month, their teeth can't be more than 6-7 months old. All I am saying is exercise some goddamn common sense and don't just let the professional do whatever the fuck they want. It's like bringing your brand new car in for an oil change and your mechanic wants to swap the whole engine. Wouldn't that raise a red flag for you?

When one argument doesn't work for you, you apparently drop it at a moment's notice without a word. So, I'll assume you're now agreeing that milk teeth may need work . The parents took their child to the dentist because they believed their child needed work (two fillings). The child was already under due to the anaesthetic when the dentist dropped the bombshell (extra 4 crowns). There's always the chance that the child may not have recovered from the anaesthetic even if the dentist hadn't tried the extra scam on.

So no, it's not like "bringing your new car in for an oil change and the mechanic wants to replace the engine".
 
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