Toddler kills himself with mother's gun

Jodell88

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A three-year-old boy has killed himself while playing with his mother's handgun, according to police in Ohio.

The boy shot and fatally wounded himself in the chest after finding the gun at his home near Cincinnati.

In a 911 audiotape release by police, the boy's mother Elizabeth Green is heard reporting the incident.

"My son just shot himself and I'm not getting a pulse," she is heard screaming. Prosecutors are considering whether to charge her.

In the call, she said she keeps the gun in her purse and had set the purse down at home before the tragedy.

"The gun is mine. It is in the house, I carry it in my purse, I laid it down. We just got home," the mother told the 911 operator.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33115246

R.I.P little one.
 

SlitheryDee

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Prosecutors are considering whether to charge her.
She's guilty, but I'm not sure they should charge her either. It makes about as much sense as prosecuting someone for getting their arm caught in a wood chipper. Yeah maybe they shouldn't have done it, but isn't the result punishment enough?
 

Jodell88

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She's guilty, but I'm not sure they should charge her either. It makes about as much sense as prosecuting someone for getting their arm caught in a wood chipper. Yeah maybe they shouldn't have done it, but isn't the result punishment enough?
Good point,. This is something will probably haunt her for the rest of her life.
 
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Why is the gun loaded and the safety isn't on?

Not much point in carrying an unloaded gun. As for the safety, many pistols (including Glocks, the most commercially popular handguns) don't have external safeties, and in any case I could imagine a toddler of nearly 3 years old being able to switch it off, with no understanding of what she was doing.

No question this was carelessness by the mother. Frankly I think it would be good for her to be prosecuted as part of moving on with her life. It's true she will punish herself for the rest of her life, but enduring some penalty (say, a year in jail) may help with her being able to get past this awful event.
 

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She's guilty, but I'm not sure they should charge her either. It makes about as much sense as prosecuting someone for getting their arm caught in a wood chipper. Yeah maybe they shouldn't have done it, but isn't the result punishment enough?

If she had shot and killed herself due to stupidity and ignoring gun laws then sure, don't bother to prosecute.

No, the result isn't close to punishment enough. Without more details it is hard to say but it appears likely she broke multiple guns laws which resulted in the death of another human being. She should be prosecuted and jailed for as long as the law allows.

-KeithP
 

SSSnail

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Not much point in carrying an unloaded gun. As for the safety, many pistols (including Glocks, the most commercially popular handguns) don't have external safeties, and in any case I could imagine a toddler of nearly 3 years old being able to switch it off, with no understanding of what she was doing.

No question this was carelessness by the mother. Frankly I think it would be good for her to be prosecuted as part of moving on with her life. It's true she will punish herself for the rest of her life, but enduring some penalty (say, a year in jail) may help with her being able to get past this awful event.
Round in the chamber?
 

Paratus

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Remember you can't shoot an intruder without a gun.

Your three year old can't shoot themselves either.

If you have kids and a weapon you're being irresponsible if you don't take that second risk into account along with the first.
 
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Jaskalas

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I understand having the mag in, but one in the chamber too? That's just begging for something in the purse to press the trigger.
 

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Must be real dangerous where she lives that she needs to keep a loaded gun in her purse.
 

Hugo Drax

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I understand having the mag in, but one in the chamber too? That's just begging for something in the purse to press the trigger.

She must live in a very dangerous part of town and she has to carry a gun to protect herself and her baby from harm.
 

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Not practicing gun safety.............I have had firearms in my home all while my kids grew up never had an issue. I kept them out of their reach. When they were old enough 7-8 I taught them how to shoot an that once that bullet leaves the barrel you can't bring it back. That life is not a video game and this is not a toy.

I feel for her on so many levels, wanting to be able to protect her self and family, her guilt for the rest of her life will be punishment enough.

mine are allways loaded locked and cocked.
 

SKORPI0

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She must live in a very dangerous part of town and she has to carry a gun to protect herself and her baby from harm.
Hamilton, OH. Not familiar with the demographics of that area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton,_Ohio#Demographics

Mother failed to follow one of the protocols for gun safety whenever a minor is nearby, concealed or not.
http://www.policeone.com/police-pro...es/59674-Handgun-safety-rules-and-procedures/
ALWAYS SAFELY STORE AND SECURE YOUR FIREARM. Safe and secure storage of your firearm is one of the most important responsibilities of firearms ownership. It is a full-time responsibility. You must always secure your firearm and ammunition separately so that they are not accessible to children or other unauthorized persons. (See Safe Storage Instructions below)
 
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I know, my question was to the hotshot lawyer about the legality of a round in the chamber.

There's certainly nothing illegal about carrying with a round in the chamber. Most people who carry, say, Glocks carry with a round in the chamber (though only in a holster that fully covers the trigger). It is overwhelmingly likely that the police in whatever city you call home carry Glocks in this condition all day, every day, and I was trained to carry a Beretta in that condition when I was in the service. This pistol may well have been holstered and thus carried in a safe manner (though I would agree it would be stupid and dangerous to carry a gun loose in a purse, particularly with a round chambered).

That is not to defend what this woman did in leaving the gun accessible to a toddler, of course - that is a crime and she can and should, IMO, be prosecuted for it.
 
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SSSnail

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Yeah, I'm in California so the gun situation here is a bit different. Not sure if the same is applied to CC.
 

MongGrel

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As far as laws are concerned, a round in the chamber vs no round in the chamber is the same.

Maybe.

Begs the fact if it wasn't chambered the kid would be alive, more than likely.

I've seen a lot of YouTube videos involving idiots even on ranges where they should be prosecuted for doing stupid shit involving kids that didn't result in deaths.
 
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Probably.

Begs the fact if is wasn't chambered the kid would be alive.

True, but it would still be very dangerous to leave a loaded pistol without a round in the chamber in the presence of a toddler. That act, not the chambering of the round, is what makes this an act of criminal negligence.
 

MongGrel

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True, but it would still be very dangerous to leave a loaded pistol without a round in the chamber in the presence of a toddler. That act, not the chambering of the round, is what makes this an act of criminal negligence.

I'm not a lawyer or a judge obviously, but I might have to reverse what I posted and say you're right.

It still shouldn't have had a round in the chamber near a toddler, period.
 
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I understand having the mag in, but one in the chamber too? That's just begging for something in the purse to press the trigger.
It's fine but only if it's in a holster. Loose in a purse is stupid.

Clearly the woman was dumb and like many parents didn't protect the gun for the kids sufficiently. I wouldn't opt to charge her personally.
 
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