Tom Clancy - The Division

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Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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I wouldn't really care if I didn't lose XP and DZ funds every time. That mechanic needs to go.

Also it's sad how rogues camp even DZ1 these days. It used to be that lower DZ was safe to try to get loot and more importantly to try to level up.

This doesnt surprise me. At some point they would gear out and get bored. That means time to grief players.
 

digiram

Diamond Member
Apr 17, 2004
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I'm on Xbox here, but most of the rogues I see are usually in the DZ1 area. Bunch of p*ssies camping out noobs.

Anyhow, I haven't played for like 2 wks. Jumped back in and I was in the DZ right away. I was making my way out, and decided to cap a few elites for fun before leaving. I end up with 3 guys shoot at my back. Suckers couldn't even take me out. I hit my ult and proceed to run and turned a corner. Took one down, and downed another that was trying to save him. I went in to finish them while their 3rd guy was shooting me, and got me down but not until I was able to finish his homies.. haha.
 

nurturedhate

Golden Member
Aug 27, 2011
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I feel you on the PxC but wait the cap gets increased to 2000 in 1.2. Know what that means? I get to sit on 2000 instead of 1000.

Patch 1.2 cannot come soon enough. Should be here in the next week or two at least. Been hard to log in recently since there's just not a lot to do. Really reminding me of early Diablo 3 in that regard. The terrible state of loot drops and crafting makes finding an upgrade basically impossible as the only real upgrades I can get is through crafting a 204 weapon with better dmg roll and talents and the 240 gear from the Cm Incursion and we all know the chance of that drop being worthwhile.

Really looking forward to 1.2.
 

SithSolo1

Diamond Member
Mar 19, 2001
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I've been rocking 3 striker, 2 sentry, and savage gloves only because I haven't had any gloves drop.


New 1.2 Info is out:

Date - May 24
Patch name - "Conflict", Incursion name - "Clear Sky"
4 new sets and 4 new named high-ends(looks like 2 shotguns, a M60, and a pistol or sniper rifle)

Trailer and Q&A: https://blog.ubi.com/42953/

Biggest out of nowhere change: DZ Extraction Hijacking. Good luck solo extractors.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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Hahaha it is like they are trying to drive people away from the DZ. Yeah yeah that is what I wanted. Another way to get ganked. /facepalm
 

nurturedhate

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Aug 27, 2011
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Those are some wonderful DZ changes. I hope the Ubi/Massive devs and the 5 remaining players enjoy their fun new activities in the DZ...

I do like how they are increasing drops from the incursion and we now get a 214/240 piece every time we clear hard/cm. That is a rather large and welcomed change. Now they just need to get rid of some of the junk stats on gear. Make some gear have a set stat or two and fix crafting to be useful and the game can start to have some life at end game because at this point it just isn't worth the effort to farm for 100 more hours to maybe, just maybe get something that is 1.2% better than what I have.
 

Midwayman

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Jan 28, 2000
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Hahaha it is like they are trying to drive people away from the DZ. Yeah yeah that is what I wanted. Another way to get ganked. /facepalm

No kidding. It was a serious WTF moment when I was reading that. Basically solo players have zero place in the DZ. Extracting will be impossible if you can't win fights. No more survival link extract to get that one good piece of loot you found over the last 3 weeks out. No more teaming up with a couple other solos at extraction or piggy backing on a 3 man group or whatever.

Rogues are just going to come in, pop survivor link and mow everyone down at a extraction point now. Its going to be kill on sight now.
 

nurturedhate

Golden Member
Aug 27, 2011
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No kidding. It was a serious WTF moment when I was reading that. Basically solo players have zero place in the DZ. Extracting will be impossible if you can't win fights. No more survival link extract to get that one good piece of loot you found over the last 3 weeks out. No more teaming up with a couple other solos at extraction or piggy backing on a 3 man group or whatever.

Rogues are just going to come in, pop survivor link and mow everyone down at a extraction point now. Its going to be kill on sight now.

Hang your stuff up, throw down a shock turret and wait/hide = win.
 

SithSolo1

Diamond Member
Mar 19, 2001
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They have clarified how the rope thing works as it pertains to rogue status. Rope cutting takes 6 secs from start to finish. As soon as you initiate the cut you are flagged Stage 1 rogue, 19 sec timer. Upon completion of the cut you are flagged Stage 2 rogue with a 90 sec timer. It was not clarified but I would hope this would also flag any group members in the extraction area.

Still not something I'm looking forward to but at least you can unload on the cutter for 6 secs, risk free.
 

Midwayman

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They have clarified how the rope thing works as it pertains to rogue status. Rope cutting takes 6 secs from start to finish. As soon as you initiate the cut you are flagged Stage 1 rogue, 19 sec timer. Upon completion of the cut you are flagged Stage 2 rogue with a 90 sec timer. It was not clarified but I would hope this would also flag any group members in the extraction area.

Still not something I'm looking forward to but at least you can unload on the cutter for 6 secs, risk free.

So they can still run up to extract, melt you because they still get fire first and either steal the gear off your corpse or off the rope. The whole rogue system is seriously flawed. Its almost as if they want to encourage griefing. If they want an all out PvP war area just man up and make everyone there a viable target. Flagged or not without having to flag before you engage is just dumb.
 

aigomorla

CPU, Cases&Cooling Mod PC Gaming Mod Elite Member
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Sep 28, 2005
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yup...

run up to the group melt them first, and then cut the extract line.

*sigh*

i am done with this game guys... those of u who are still going to play much props to you. I assume your geared up the butt to handle people like that, however i like a normal person has a level of rage which can not.

So instead of raging like that fat kid in the youtube video, i will probably just avoid this game.
 

AznAnarchy99

Lifer
Dec 6, 2004
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yup...

run up to the group melt them first, and then cut the extract line.

*sigh*

i am done with this game guys... those of u who are still going to play much props to you. I assume your geared up the butt to handle people like that, however i like a normal person has a level of rage which can not.

So instead of raging like that fat kid in the youtube video, i will probably just avoid this game.

I just don't play DZ.
 

aigomorla

CPU, Cases&Cooling Mod PC Gaming Mod Elite Member
Super Moderator
Sep 28, 2005
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I just don't play DZ.

you see i tried that route and well its very repetitive and takes 5x longer to gear up then anything.

Why?

Because as nutured stated, your better off crafting your gear then expecting a godly drop to fall on your lap.

Also due to the nerf's done on crafting by massive, it is harder to craft gear, because massive doesnt want us to do that.

So now in order to get the required mats to even attemp crafting, you can either teleport all over the map and run to mat locations, or you can grind PvE maps for that 1-2 piece of yellow gear, or the way massive wants, enter the DZ zone load up on 30 yellows, and then extract, so we can salvage those 30 yellows and craft what we need.

The time factor to get 30 yellows in the DZ doing chest runs, or boss kills is a LOT faster then clearing PvE maps.
Infact the time it takes for you to get a full stash in a fresh map will be probably equal to the time it takes to do 2 PvE maps.

However now there are dicks everywhere.
Rouges who dont even care if you have gear or not, but just straight up dicks.
Why? cuz its so much fun imaging the person behind the PC u killed getting upset?

No, i dont get upset, i just turn the game off and then relog about 5-10 min later hoping they disappeared.
But now it doesnt matter if they disappeared, because there are so many of them, and whats even more sad is there are BP's in the DZ zone which require lvl75 to get which are so much more OP then the ones the vendor in the BoO sells... ie.. First Wave M1A BP.

So honestly, i am gonna shelf this game, and stay away from anything Massive ever makes, and Avoid all UBISoft Multiplayer games with predjuice.

They f'd up Rainbow Six, and they F'd up the Division. Infact they left the name Tom Clancy with such a bad taste in my mouth, id rather play CoD Infinite Warfare more then the Division or Rainbow Six.

That itself should speak on how much hate i have for this game and the company.
 

AznAnarchy99

Lifer
Dec 6, 2004
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you see i tried that route and well its very repetitive and takes 5x longer to gear up then anything.

Why?

Because as nutured stated, your better off crafting your gear then expecting a godly drop to fall on your lap.

Also due to the nerf's done on crafting by massive, it is harder to craft gear, because massive doesnt want us to do that.

So now in order to get the required mats to even attemp crafting, you can either teleport all over the map and run to mat locations, or you can grind PvE maps for that 1-2 piece of yellow gear, or the way massive wants, enter the DZ zone load up on 30 yellows, and then extract, so we can salvage those 30 yellows and craft what we need.

The time factor to get 30 yellows in the DZ doing chest runs, or boss kills is a LOT faster then clearing PvE maps.
Infact the time it takes for you to get a full stash in a fresh map will be probably equal to the time it takes to do 2 PvE maps.

However now there are dicks everywhere.
Rouges who dont even care if you have gear or not, but just straight up dicks.
Why? cuz its so much fun imaging the person behind the PC u killed getting upset?

No, i dont get upset, i just turn the game off and then relog about 5-10 min later hoping they disappeared.
But now it doesnt matter if they disappeared, because there are so many of them, and whats even more sad is there are BP's in the DZ zone which require lvl75 to get which are so much more OP then the ones the vendor in the BoO sells... ie.. First Wave M1A BP.

So honestly, i am gonna shelf this game, and stay away from anything Massive ever makes, and Avoid all UBISoft Multiplayer games with predjuice.

They f'd up Rainbow Six, and they F'd up the Division. Infact they left the name Tom Clancy with such a bad taste in my mouth, id rather play CoD Infinite Warfare more then the Division or Rainbow Six.

That itself should speak on how much hate i have for this game and the company.

Understandable. I'm just holding out hope that they stay true to their word about the "more drops everywhere" statement for Tuesday's patch.
 

Midwayman

Diamond Member
Jan 28, 2000
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Understandable. I'm just holding out hope that they stay true to their word about the "more drops everywhere" statement for Tuesday's patch.

Given the amount of RNG they could up loot by a factor of 10 and it would still be a grind to get god rolls. We know they won't go anything like that. I just hope that 1.2 means that not going into the DZ will be viable. Having god rolls doesn't matter nearly as much clearing PvE with your buddies. Going back to the 4x HE drop on CM bosses would be a start so long as they actually drop stuff better than 163 frequently. Honestly nothing below 182 should drop from level 32 mobs. 204 should be frequent and 214 should happen every couple runs. (so maybe 10% with 4x drop?)
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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Given the amount of RNG they could up loot by a factor of 10 and it would still be a grind to get god rolls. We know they won't go anything like that. I just hope that 1.2 means that not going into the DZ will be viable. Having god rolls doesn't matter nearly as much clearing PvE with your buddies. Going back to the 4x HE drop on CM bosses would be a start so long as they actually drop stuff better than 163 frequently. Honestly nothing below 182 should drop from level 32 mobs. 204 should be frequent and 214 should happen every couple runs. (so maybe 10% with 4x drop?)

I'm with this guy
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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So they can still run up to extract, melt you because they still get fire first and either steal the gear off your corpse or off the rope. The whole rogue system is seriously flawed. Its almost as if they want to encourage griefing. If they want an all out PvP war area just man up and make everyone there a viable target. Flagged or not without having to flag before you engage is just dumb.

That is how I feel about PVP. My biggest complaint about this game is the pvp system. Was during Beta and it only grows as they add in more insanely annoying features. The whole we are friends until i shoot you in the back thing is a bad idea for pvp. Then add in it is a high end PVE area as well. Just a massive annoyance.

Take out PVE and make it pvp. Or add in the ability to join a faction and break the pve area into zones of control where you goal is to help your faction win goals and kill other rogue agents in the other faction.
 
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