Tom Clancy - The Division

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Midwayman

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lmao.... u guys see the steam reviews on this game ...

User reviews:
RECENT: Overwhelmingly Negative (5,056 reviews)
OVERALL: Mixed (25,673 reviews)

This game is done...

Yah, seriously f this game. Its almost unplayable on the PC now with the UI glitches. Tried running dailies and was still getting crappy 163 items. The HVT is a joke. Takes forever to collect intel and then we back up a little to far and failed the mission. No way to reset, that intel is just gone apparently.

Plus they seemed to have buffed the NPCs substantially. I wasn't running any of the glitched talents either. Just now level 30 elites are one shotting me with nearly 100k hp. I seriously don't know what these guys are thinking serious amateur hour over at massive.
 

Fire&Blood

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I've been busy playing uncharted 4 and doom on PC too so I haven't got back into this game yet.

There are still some main missions I need to do and then I guess I'll team up with other people and try other things since I never tried any of the end game stuff.

I wonder if it's as bad on console after that point because I have it on ps4 mostly because a friend of mine also got it on there.

I think it would be slightly less frustrating doing PVE until you reach 200+ gear score and not just the score, resist high score items if they don't fit your build, have bad rolls or you are losing a bonus because of them. For example, I still equip one of two "yellow" vests despite picking up 214 and 240 vests a few times. The boosted armor mitigation to 75% makes it even more of a challenge to put a good combo together.

If you go into the DZ with any kind of objective, you are already dead. If you into the DZ with loot, currency or xp concerns, you are already dead. If you go into the DZ with the instinct not to shoot first, you are already dead. The DZ is populated by those who are past finishing objectives, collecting loot and leveling concerns with the instinct to shoot others for fun.

I'm not done with the game yet but if this is the direction it's going in, it's just a matter of time.
 

sze5003

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I think it would be slightly less frustrating doing PVE until you reach 200+ gear score and not just the score, resist high score items if they don't fit your build, have bad rolls or you are losing a bonus because of them. For example, I still equip one of two "yellow" vests despite picking up 214 and 240 vests a few times. The boosted armor mitigation to 75% makes it even more of a challenge to put a good combo together.

If you go into the DZ with any kind of objective, you are already dead. If you into the DZ with loot, currency or xp concerns, you are already dead. If you go into the DZ with the instinct not to shoot first, you are already dead. The DZ is populated by those who are past finishing objectives, collecting loot and leveling concerns with the instinct to shoot others for fun.

I'm not done with the game yet but if this is the direction it's going in, it's just a matter of time.
I haven't been paying much attention to my character's build. I'll keep that in mind. Now I'm still mostly just blue items. I thought most of the end game stuff was in the dark zone but good to know that it will be in PVE.

Honestly that's what I feared about this game and most other PvP sections of games similar to this. After some time, if you don't start playing when everyone else does and level up as fast as them, those coming in after a while get screwed. It ruins the whole mechanic of the game. Of course when they show this off before release they make it seem like it's always going to be so collaborative.

The same happened to me in destiny. I didn't have time to play as much and took me a while to level all the way up but I couldn't join in with friends since they were levels higher than me. It also got boring just doing the same PVE missions on the planets.
 

Paladin3

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Can you go to a checkpoint and resupply while rogue? Maybe they could impose a penalty so that rogues can't get supplies for a while, even after the rogue timer runs out. I'd love to see a rogue run out of ammo.
 

aigomorla

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no u cant go into checkpoints or safe houses as a rouge.

because then any rouge can rack up manhunt, run to a safe house and wait it out.
 

Beer4Me

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It's a problem with the way the game is designed. They shouldn't teleport you back to a safe house. Instead they should teleport you IN FRONT of the nearest one, NOT inside of it. Massive/Ubi is a bunch of retards. They effectively killed this game before it could even see it's first "paid" content update. I'm so glad I didn't pay for the Gold Edition/Season Pass, and I feel sorry for those who have, especially with the 2 free content updates (2 incursions).

Sadly, my biggest problem with this game vs say "Destiny" is that Massive has no talent to make any actual challenging gameplay. The whole bullet sponge, 1 shot kill shotgunner thing makes for excruciatingly repetitive and boring gameplay. The Division was fun for about 5 minutes. Thanks Massive.

More like MassivelyFdUp.
 

hondaf17

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Fired this game up for the first time in a week. Had a bug where periodically my weapon wouldn't fire. Switched to secondary, it fired, but didn't do any damage. Back to primary, didn't fire. WTF.
 

Alamat

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I guess I'm in the minority here. Have been playing a little bit more of it now than Destiny. Now at 193 and while I got to 160s due to a good guy helping me get nice HE stuff, I'm now leveling up via the PVE stuff since. I've been lucky enough I guess to end up in servers with good players not shooting you on sight. in the DZ, too. I do have my toughness almost to 200K rather than pump up my damage. Nice to be able to clear some landmarks alone now. Hopefully, my luck continues....
 

digiram

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Has anyone done the most recent incursion? Is it as bad as the first one? I appreciated Destiny's raid a lot more after playing that first incursion.
 

Midwayman

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I guess I'm in the minority here. Have been playing a little bit more of it now than Destiny. Now at 193 and while I got to 160s due to a good guy helping me get nice HE stuff, I'm now leveling up via the PVE stuff since. I've been lucky enough I guess to end up in servers with good players not shooting you on sight. in the DZ, too. I do have my toughness almost to 200K rather than pump up my damage. Nice to be able to clear some landmarks alone now. Hopefully, my luck continues....

Just sounds like you came in at the right time to avoid the worst of the issues. People who played a lot at launch ran into a ton of issues. If you started now it would be a much smoother experience.

Has anyone done the most recent incursion? Is it as bad as the first one? I appreciated Destiny's raid a lot more after playing that first incursion.

I've ran it a couple times. Its better. There are 2 areas you have to clear. Thing to remember is it is an objective based mode. The mobs keep spawning so you kinda got to knock them back, do something, then fall back and work on the next objective. You can't just clear them off and then run around pushing buttons like all the other missions.
 

SithSolo1

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I attempted it last night with a pug. My usual group has been busy with work and travel so they haven't had time to play.

It was a huge cluster. I know part of it was because I've never done it, but I've watched a few bits and read some guides. I'm 208, heavy DPS slant due to my roll in our pre-made group. 200k+ MH/OH, but only 184k toughness. The other members were GS 187, 195, 216. I seemed to be the only one putting guys down solo and the only one that had any idea the npcs never stop spawning. They just sat in the back trying to keep each other up while I dpsd the guys and planted the bombs. I was down to 100 rnds in both guns before we got to part two. It just went down hill from there. We never even got a fuse in the box over 6 attempts.

Imho it's easier to carry a sub par group in FL on hard. If you are in a solid group I could see Clear Sky being much faster if not easier. I'll try again but last night didn't raise my opinion of pugging incursions.
 
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Alamat

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OK, just started getting 240 stuff and then a Hunter's Faith backpack with 64 capacity suddenly went down to 34! I now have 55 items in a 34 cap backpack. I know I did not change the mod on it. Question is, have I done something to my character that would have dropped it that bad?
 

SithSolo1

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OK, just started getting 240 stuff and then a Hunter's Faith backpack with 64 capacity suddenly went down to 34! I now have 55 items in a 34 cap backpack. I know I did not change the mod on it. Question is, have I done something to my character that would have dropped it that bad?

Its probably a bug, I believe that has happened before in the past.
 

pandemonium

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Too little, too late IMO. Ultimately, the DZ needs a revamp for me to come back to this game. Right now it forces players to whip out their dicks and wave them around first or lose. Not the type of game play I'm into.
 

Midwayman

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Too little, too late IMO. Ultimately, the DZ needs a revamp for me to come back to this game. Right now it forces players to whip out their dicks and wave them around first or lose. Not the type of game play I'm into.

Yup, the DZ still is by far the easiest way to get good gear. So much so that you are gimping yourself by not being in there if you ever hope to PVP. The HVT drops good gear, but its on a weekly timer for the good stuff and has busy work and the set stuff isn't the right set. PVP is still a gank fest. GS really has very little relation to your actual power. Like you said, PVP is shoot first, ask questions later. Not fun.
 

peter6667

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Too little, too late IMO. Ultimately, the DZ needs a revamp for me to come back to this game. Right now it forces players to whip out their dicks and wave them around first or lose. Not the type of game play I'm into.

Yeah this gamę seems Nice... But then overall there are these bits and pieces which just fall apart ...
 

CakeMonster

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Is there any kind of entertainment value and story in the single player here? Or is it just multiplayer FPS content regardless?
 

pandemonium

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The game is great to play through the story single player or with a friend. I enjoyed the immersion and ambiance. It's not the best, but with high quality settings it is a beautiful game to enjoy for what it is. The multiplayer and end game is where it falls very short.
 
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