Tom Cruise pwned by Paramount

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: DonVito
I am not in any way defending Tom Cruise's behavior, but this is sheer spin control by Paramount. It sounds to me like he wanted to break off on his own anyway, and they felt compelled to stab him in the back on his way out the door. It's really classless considering the billions of dollars he's made for Paramount - he has been one the biggest movie stars in history, and even his mediocre movies have made them hundreds of millions.

Please don't hold the entertainment industry to the standard of needing to have "class" or the whole thing will suddenly collapse.

The both made each other rich, and its up to paramount to justify it to their shareholders. I suspect there's a helluva lot more about this relationship than the public knows, other than the fact that cruise has lost his marbles.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Kristi2k

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Were you just describing Christianity or Scientology? I can't tell. They are so similar.

Indeed, which is why I said...

"Now, ask me why I hate most organized religions? Same fekkin reasons."


I am Christian, in that I believe in God, but everything else is BS.

What puts me off about T.C. is his supposed knowledge about psychology and psychiatry and his FUDD that he loves to spread. His "religion" is based off of psychology and the creation of group-think, not to mention a massive pyramid scheme. It's a sham and I refuse to support the brainwashing of people.

Not to start anything but you can't call yourself a Christian unless you believe that Christ is God in the flesh and that only through Him can you be saved.

Hence the word CHRISTian, of Christ.

The idea that Christ was God's son or an incarnation was started by the Church to give creedence to their viewpoint of Christ. I can believe in God and I can even believe in the voice of Christ without buying into anything else. Furthermore, who is anybody to tell me that my God given free-will can't also exclude some whacky ideas from a Church written in a book?

Playmaker, I certainly agree with 80% of your statement. Christians have their own F'd up beliefs. However, I do see that the brainwashing from scientology can and will get worse as more children are integrated into the system. It's a relatively new religion with a smaller following, so you haven't seen it spread too much.

The "auditing" that they do is classical psychology techniques.

As far as T.C. being such a huge money cow to the studio, we are only getting *one* side of the equation. We know what his revenues are, but we have no idea of the costs. If his movies cost a lot, from his pay to his lavish lifestyle to the number of screens they have to show it on, then that cuts the bottom line quite a bit.

Given that the per screen revenue of TC's latest movies has been lower and his pay higher, and the influence has exerted upon the studio, I am willing to bet that the economics (both money and other) are not nearly as attractive as many think.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Were you just describing Christianity or Scientology? I can't tell. They are so similar.

There are no levels in Christianity, nor can you 'buy' your way into Christianity with buckets of money.

Well, not anymore you can't

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: ballmode
is this the new Micheal Jackson laughing stock for the next 5-10 years?

Bingo

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Kristi2k

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Personally, I refuse to give another buck to Scientology, I have boycotted any major scientologist film.

and that's exactly why tom cruise got canned, in my opinion.

i think it's because paramount doesn't want to be associated with scientology and, therefore, boycotted by a bunch of morons (aka so-called christians).

Ahh... Christianity and Scientology are not the same thing.

?? who said they were?

 

[NissanGurl]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller


Besides, I have an easier time believing in God than I do some evil alien and spirits possessing me.

A little OT, but I :laugh:ed when I read this and then looked at your avatar.

 

[BrokenVisage]

I could give a crap about Scientology, the man is a TERRIFIC actor and everything he touches DOES turn to gold (maybe that's why he believes such odd things). Unlike some of the high-moral beings of ATOT, most of who only started vocally hating him because of his religious/private life choices, I can look past his personal views and focus on his wonderful character depictions. BTW.. you're not exactly giving money to Scientology or supporting its cause by buying a ticket to his movie, some of you really need to get a clue more then Tom does.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
I could give a crap about Scientology, the man is a TERRIFIC actor and everything he touches DOES turn to gold (maybe that's why he believes such odd things). Unlike some of the high-moral beings of ATOT, most of who only started vocally hating him because of his religious/private life choices, I can look past his personal views and focus on his wonderful character depictions. BTW.. you're not exactly giving money to Scientology or supporting its cause by buying a ticket to his movie, some of you really need to get a clue more then Tom does.

Well, lets extrapolate a few numbers. If MI:III grossed 400M worldwide and TC made 87M off of the film, that would mean that he made $.22 for every dollar made by the movie.

Since the average price of a movie ticket is probably somewhere around $8, that means that he made $1.74 off of every movie ticket. If he gives a quarter of that to Scientology, then you have contributed $.44 to the organization.

Furthermore, by patroning his movie, you are also increasing his chances of future revnue streams *AND* allowing promotion of scientology. Thus, you are actually contributing much more than that $.44.

So, explain to me how my ticket isn't giving scientology money?


I do not claim to be of higher moral standards or that I am better than TC. The world is full of things everybody likes or doesn't, it's a fact of life. I can choose to give money to somebody that will turn around and donate it to an organization I personally detest, or I can choose not to.

Furthermore, it's my knowledge of psychology and psychiatry and my education in those areas (I am in finance now), that really make me detest what T.C. says and stands for.

I find it amusing that you come in here and say that people shouldn't be so judgemental and should concentrate on the fact he is a good actor, when all you do is ignore facts and be judgemental.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Well, lets extrapolate a few numbers. If MI:III grossed 400M worldwide and TC made 87M off of the film, that would mean that he made $.22 for every dollar made by the movie.

Since the average price of a movie ticket is probably somewhere around $8, that means that he made $1.74 off of every movie ticket. If he gives a quarter of that to Scientology, then you have contributed $.44 to the organization.

No where have I read that he gives 1/4 of his money to Scientology, please provide a link stating such. Even if that were the case I still have in no way contributed money directly to Scientology, if you want to start playing this money trail game where less than half a dollar of the money I used to buy a ticket is donated by Cruise, then I'm sure I've contributed to about 100 other organizations I dispise unknowingly. But it would be impossible for you to know you're money as indeed gone to Scientology.

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Furthermore, by patroning his movie, you are also increasing his chances of future revnue streams *AND* allowing promotion of scientology. Thus, you are actually contributing much more than that $.44.

So, explain to me how my ticket isn't giving scientology money?

Like I stated above, explain to me how you know the money you give Cruise is actually going to Scientology? And even if he doesn't donate your $.44 it will just be someone elses $.44, and believe me he's never going to run out of $.44 denominations. The man also has got to buy food, cars, and solid gold Hum-Vee's too, so how do you even know your ticket money isn't going to any of that?? How am I "allowing promotion of scientology" by going to a movie either? :roll:

Please.. if I'm going to see a movie it's only because I feel I might enjoy it, I'm not 'allowing' anything to be promoted nor do I see what Scientology has anything to do with movies other Cruise being a part of some.

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I do not claim to be of higher moral standards or that I am better than TC. The world is full of things everybody likes or doesn't, it's a fact of life. I can choose to give money to somebody that will turn around and donate it to an organization I personally detest, or I can choose not to.

Furthermore, it's my knowledge of psychology and psychiatry and my education in those areas (I am in finance now), that really make me detest what T.C. says and stands for.

I find it amusing that you come in here and say that people shouldn't be so judgemental and should concentrate on the fact he is a good actor, when all you do is ignore facts and be judgemental.

I'm glad you find it amusing that I don't care about a persons personal life and beliefs when I'm watching him do his job, and job he is very good at and has nothing to do with his views. What facts have I ignored? What's wrong with being judgemental of people who won't see a money, comprised of thousands of other people, just because one of them believes in Scientology? I'm an Atheist by nature but understand other people see things differently, especially religion. You may be well educated in the field of Psychology or something which makes you dislike how the man carries himself and supports his religion, but that's your view as well and has nothing to do with the man and his work, you just don't like the him and it's more then apparent at this point. Stop trying to prove we're making Scientology rich by seeing one man's movies.

 

[Electric Amish]

Biggest douche in the universe candidate.

 

[zanieladie]

Good! He IS a weirdo...

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Playmaker

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
LOL Christians calling Scientologists weird:laugh:

I somewhat agree. However, Christians, at least in modern times, do not really attack psychology or psychiatry. Nor do they publicly bash women who had post-partum depression. While they do still take a holier-than-thou attitude a lot of the time, it doesn't seem to be as bad.

Besides, I have an easier time believing in God than I do some evil alien and spirits possessing me.

I don't generally argue religion, but keep in mind the plethora of accepted scientific facts that the church has and still does disagree with. It's significantly more astounding than psychiatry, which even many non-scientologists believe is quack science (not my view).

In my opinion, the most important distinction hurting scientology compared to christianity is that most scientologists choose it, whereas most christians are, in effect, "born" that way. It's very difficult to challenge what has been brain-washed into you since birth.

As a practicing Christian, I find the biggest difference is that I've never met a Christian who's ever expressed a desire to eat placenta

No, Christians like to pretend to eat their God's body and drink his blood every Sunday.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Doesn't really matter for Cruise. Moviegoers can separate the wacko off-screen from the talent on-screen. Collateral is one of my favorite movies of all time.

As far as star power is concerned, just look at the worldwide gross for War Of The Worlds. Tom and Steven took that one straight to the bank.

No... no they can't. Did you MI3? That movie fvcking ruled. How did it do in the theatres? Fvcking awful. There's no way that movie deserved to do that poorly. It did poorly because of him, period.

I disagree. Maybe some people don't want to see Cruise because they dislike him, but I doubt that's the reason MI3 tanked. I think MI3 did poorly because everyone was still pissed about wasting $8 on that piece of dog crap called MI2. That's the reason I almost missed out on MI3.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Playmaker

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Playmaker

Originally posted by: Amol
with his status, i highly doubt other studios not going after him.

Exactly. Has he ever been in a true flop? Has he ever even been in a big budget movie that hasn't grossed 9 figures? Everything he touches turns to gold.

he's not crying thats for sure

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?id=tomcruise.htm
Lifetime Gross Total (27): $2,696,812,650
Average: $99,881,950
Opening Gross Average (22): $23,377,406 (Wide Releases Only)


as for scientology. lets take a look at its death count compared to other religions before getting uppity.

Nice, that's what I was looking for. I thought I remembered reading that he has starred in some insanely high percentage of movies grossing in the 9 figures, and it looks like his average definitely backs that up.

yup just compare him to say...his former wife Nicole Kidman who was basically about as famous.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?id=nicolekidman.htm
Lifetime Gross Total (25): $1,098,118,797
Average: $43,924,752
Opening Gross Average (16): $15,141,964 (Wide Releases Only)

not bad, but still only less than half

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Well, lets extrapolate a few numbers. If MI:III grossed 400M worldwide and TC made 87M off of the film, that would mean that he made $.22 for every dollar made by the movie.

Since the average price of a movie ticket is probably somewhere around $8, that means that he made $1.74 off of every movie ticket. If he gives a quarter of that to Scientology, then you have contributed $.44 to the organization.

No where have I read that he gives 1/4 of his money to Scientology, please provide a link stating such. Even if that were the case I still have in no way contributed money directly to Scientology, if you want to start playing this money trail game where less than half a dollar of the money I used to buy a ticket is donated by Cruise, then I'm sure I've contributed to about 100 other organizations I dispise unknowingly. But it would be impossible for you to know you're money as indeed gone to Scientology.

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Furthermore, by patroning his movie, you are also increasing his chances of future revnue streams *AND* allowing promotion of scientology. Thus, you are actually contributing much more than that $.44.

So, explain to me how my ticket isn't giving scientology money?

Like I stated above, explain to me how you know the money you give Cruise is actually going to Scientology? And even if he doesn't donate your $.44 it will just be someone elses $.44, and believe me he's never going to run out of $.44 denominations. The man also has got to buy food, cars, and solid gold Hum-Vee's too, so how do you even know your ticket money isn't going to any of that?? How am I "allowing promotion of scientology" by going to a movie either? :roll:

Please.. if I'm going to see a movie it's only because I feel I might enjoy it, I'm not 'allowing' anything to be promoted nor do I see what Scientology has anything to do with movies other Cruise being a part of some.

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I do not claim to be of higher moral standards or that I am better than TC. The world is full of things everybody likes or doesn't, it's a fact of life. I can choose to give money to somebody that will turn around and donate it to an organization I personally detest, or I can choose not to.

Furthermore, it's my knowledge of psychology and psychiatry and my education in those areas (I am in finance now), that really make me detest what T.C. says and stands for.

I find it amusing that you come in here and say that people shouldn't be so judgemental and should concentrate on the fact he is a good actor, when all you do is ignore facts and be judgemental.

I'm glad you find it amusing that I don't care about a persons personal life and beliefs when I'm watching him do his job, and job he is very good at and has nothing to do with his views. What facts have I ignored? What's wrong with being judgemental of people who won't see a money, comprised of thousands of other people, just because one of them believes in Scientology? I'm an Atheist by nature but understand other people see things differently, especially religion. You may be well educated in the field of Psychology or something which makes you dislike how the man carries himself and supports his religion, but that's your view as well and has nothing to do with the man and his work, you just don't like the him and it's more then apparent at this point. Stop trying to prove we're making Scientology rich by seeing one man's movies.

i think we should have a tally of exactly how many republicans take a cut of movie profits on the production/distribution/exhibition chain so we can boycott those movies with any republican workers. its only fair. i say we do this for all forms of business with a national mandatory registry.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i think we should have a tally of exactly how many republicans take a cut of movie profits on the production/distribution/exhibition chain so we can boycott those movies with any republican workers. its only fair. i say we do this for all forms of business with a national mandatory registry.

lol, here here! :thumbsup:

 

[SVT Cobra]

Who cares? I like his movies, and I really couldn't care what he does off the screen.

It is entertaining though to see all these people so interested in him enough in his personal life to hate him so much.

 

[BatmanNate]

FWIW, I avoid his movies but it's because I think he's one of the shittiest actors of all time, not because he's a wacko. (most of them are)

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: TuxDave
Well.. they were correct in regards that I haven't watched a movie with Tom Cruise in it because I thought he was a weirdo.

Originally posted by: LookingGlass
Hah, kick ass, he's an idiot, and his behavior is catching up to him, bout time.

I'll take eccentricty (Cruise) and horn dogs (Clinton) anyday over prudes that hate freedom.

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: Baked
How sad. I wonder when all the scientology nuts go on a field trip and jump in some volcano.

Probably around the same time all the religeous nuts will go and jump in a volcano.
Which is to say: Never.

(EDIT: Sorry about the spelling.)

 

[ThaGrandCow]

Originally posted by: SoftwareDude
What were some of his off screen actions that they didnt like? I havent heard of anything that he did that i can think off

-He did an interview on oprah where he jumped all over the couch like a mental patient.
-He did another interview (I forget who with) where he went off on antidepressents and psychology in general, saying they were both fake.
-Someone in this thread mentioned that he forced potential co-stars to listen to bunches of scientology propoganda before being considered for a role.
-Look at the birth of his child, starting with the signs about being absolutely silent during the birth, and the fact that the child still has yet to be seen.

He's always been crazy, but his former publicist walked him through interviews and made him keep his mouth shut. He fired her for some reason and about 2 weeks after that we started seeing reports of him doing stupid stuff.

 

[Rudee]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo


he's not crying thats for sure

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?id=tomcruise.htm
Lifetime Gross Total (27): $2,696,812,650
Average: $99,881,950
Opening Gross Average (22): $23,377,406 (Wide Releases Only)


as for scientology. lets take a look at its death count compared to other religions before getting uppity.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Well, lets extrapolate a few numbers. If MI:III grossed 400M worldwide and TC made 87M off of the film, that would mean that he made $.22 for every dollar made by the movie.

Since the average price of a movie ticket is probably somewhere around $8, that means that he made $1.74 off of every movie ticket. If he gives a quarter of that to Scientology, then you have contributed $.44 to the organization.

No where have I read that he gives 1/4 of his money to Scientology, please provide a link stating such. Even if that were the case I still have in no way contributed money directly to Scientology, if you want to start playing this money trail game where less than half a dollar of the money I used to buy a ticket is donated by Cruise, then I'm sure I've contributed to about 100 other organizations I dispise unknowingly. But it would be impossible for you to know you're money as indeed gone to Scientology.

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Furthermore, by patroning his movie, you are also increasing his chances of future revnue streams *AND* allowing promotion of scientology. Thus, you are actually contributing much more than that $.44.

So, explain to me how my ticket isn't giving scientology money?

Like I stated above, explain to me how you know the money you give Cruise is actually going to Scientology? And even if he doesn't donate your $.44 it will just be someone elses $.44, and believe me he's never going to run out of $.44 denominations. The man also has got to buy food, cars, and solid gold Hum-Vee's too, so how do you even know your ticket money isn't going to any of that?? How am I "allowing promotion of scientology" by going to a movie either? :roll:

Please.. if I'm going to see a movie it's only because I feel I might enjoy it, I'm not 'allowing' anything to be promoted nor do I see what Scientology has anything to do with movies other Cruise being a part of some.

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I do not claim to be of higher moral standards or that I am better than TC. The world is full of things everybody likes or doesn't, it's a fact of life. I can choose to give money to somebody that will turn around and donate it to an organization I personally detest, or I can choose not to.

Furthermore, it's my knowledge of psychology and psychiatry and my education in those areas (I am in finance now), that really make me detest what T.C. says and stands for.

I find it amusing that you come in here and say that people shouldn't be so judgemental and should concentrate on the fact he is a good actor, when all you do is ignore facts and be judgemental.

I'm glad you find it amusing that I don't care about a persons personal life and beliefs when I'm watching him do his job, and job he is very good at and has nothing to do with his views. What facts have I ignored? What's wrong with being judgemental of people who won't see a money, comprised of thousands of other people, just because one of them believes in Scientology? I'm an Atheist by nature but understand other people see things differently, especially religion. You may be well educated in the field of Psychology or something which makes you dislike how the man carries himself and supports his religion, but that's your view as well and has nothing to do with the man and his work, you just don't like the him and it's more then apparent at this point. Stop trying to prove we're making Scientology rich by seeing one man's movies.

Well, we do know that he did donate 3.6M after MI:III came out, so that's at least 4%, so that's .32 that I don't need to donate to Scientology, which is just fine by me. If you want to perpetuate the organization, that's your deal, not mine.

Yes, and you do continue it by accepting him and his stupid FUDD. The more people speak with their wallets, the more this stuff happens to him.

I tie the person and the work into the same thing. Many people think that Woody Allen is a good director, but I never watch his movies. Others think that Barry Bonds is an awesome baseball player, but I will never go to one of his games.

The mere fact you are attacking my own beliefs only highlights your acceptance of the same behavior, which leads me to believe, why did you even bother to reply to me? If you had such a problem with me as I do with T.C., then shouldn't you just move along and not bother to reply?

Ohhh, but wait, you don't like the supposed FUDD I spread? But should it really matter on a free forum, why not just forget about it? In essence, you are no different than I.

 

[savvy]

He will find a new place.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Well, we do know that he did donate 3.6M after MI:III came out, so that's at least 4%, so that's .32 that I don't need to donate to Scientology, which is just fine by me. If you want to perpetuate the organization, that's your deal, not mine.

Yes, and you do continue it by accepting him and his stupid FUDD. The more people speak with their wallets, the more this stuff happens to him.

I tie the person and the work into the same thing. Many people think that Woody Allen is a good director, but I never watch his movies. Others think that Barry Bonds is an awesome baseball player, but I will never go to one of his games.

The mere fact you are attacking my own beliefs only highlights your acceptance of the same behavior, which leads me to believe, why did you even bother to reply to me? If you had such a problem with me as I do with T.C., then shouldn't you just move along and not bother to reply?

Ohhh, but wait, you don't like the supposed FUDD I spread? But should it really matter on a free forum, why not just forget about it? In essence, you are no different than I.

Would you boycott a Christian actor because of all the crap they spew? "Jesus is the way to salvation. If you don't believe, you won't go to heaven (basically, if you don't believe you'll be damned)." I'm sure if Tom Cruise donated $4 million to the church (whatever Christian church) you'd say, "man, that Tom Cruise sure is an awesome guy! He dontad $4 million to the church."