Tom Hardware's Power Box (AMD thermally cooled 1.6 GHz vs P4 1.5 GHz)

[Blackberry Junkie]

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I feel sorry for those who bought P4 1.5 system(s)

 

[hifimaster]

<< I feel sorry for those who bought P4 1.5 system(s) >>



Hey,me too.

 

[sharkeeper]

I don't feel sorry for anyone that bought a P4. They should've known better!

Cheers!

 

[fkloster]

<< There is no doubt that the high-performance system we put together is hardly affordable by the majority of you >>

-Dr Pabst.

I would like to put that expensive thermal crap into my kit. I'm just not stupid enough to buy it. And I'm certainly not stupid enough then to compare it to a non thermal unit.



<< ...Intel's Pentium 4 can be overclocked, but the procedure is rather limited... >>

idiot...

 

[pen^2]

at least vaporchill is been around longer than pee 4x and proven to work. wait till they find another flaw with pee 4x
seriously, both setups seem to be plenty fast enuff to me altho the athlon setup was cheaper and FASTER. does NOS440 has anything to say about this? (in case he isnt banned yet)

 

[MrGrim]

WTF? Why not watercool a P4, clock it at say 2GHz and then compare it to a 1.2TB? The P4 is aiming at having higher clock speeds than the competition. In my opinion its performance doesn't justify it's cost but wtf is up with this? What is the point of this review?

 

[pen^2]

we are not some reviewers sitting pretty with free systems. his point was you could get MORE performance with less or similar amount of money.

 

[LordEdmond]

how long to thermal destruction if the compressor fails?
we only had 2 mins on liquid cooled IBM main frame 20 ltrs/sec at 4.5 deg C

 

[fkloster]

<< his point was you could get MORE performance with less or similar amount of money. >>



That is a complete failure as far as comparisons go. A P4 @ 1.5 compared to a Athy 1.6 is completely stupid. Thanks Tom for another completely loaded comparison. Why not use a P4 @ 1.3 to make your point more clear... :| (haven't we all beat this clock for clock thing to death? P4's are NOT supposed to run clock for clock with Athlons...get it? This really exposes how manipulative the doctor can be to get a point across, he should know better)

&quot;Gee lets do a 400mhz OC on an Athy and compare it to a stock P4 and see what happens...snicker snicker&quot;... :| ARRRRGHHH :|

 

[Rectalfier]

Give me Palomino and Morgan! I want 1.6Ghz now!

 

[zippy]

fkloster, the 1.2GHz Tbird frequently beats the 1.5GHz P4 anyway.

 

[gzollinger1]

His point wasn't to compare clock to clock but $$$ to $$.

 

[fkloster]

Then why did he add the vaporchill? It would have been cheaper yet. (nice try) &amp; Zippy, what does your comment have to do with the subject or responses in this thread?

 

[erub]

he should have OC the P4 as much as possible (using vapochill) just to see how it would have done - even if it couldn't OC as well as the Athlon, it would probably still OC somewhat

 

[Wingznut]

P4-1.5ghz = $589

AMD 1.2ghz + Vapochill = $905

&quot;I feel sorry for those who bought P4 1.5 system(s)&quot;
Yeah, they could've spent over $300 more to get similar performance.

Hmmm... I thought you guys were all about Price vs. Performance.

 

[Dexion]

<< -Dr Pabst.

I would like to put that expensive thermal crap into my kit. I'm just not stupid enough to buy it. And I'm certainly not stupid enough then to compare it to a non thermal unit. >>



Well I think his approach was quite valid. It shows a glimpse of the actual Athlon 1.6Ghz processor, and it also shows that even with the purchase of a Vapochill system, its not so much more than a P4 system altogether.

Way back when Kryotech released an Athlon Classic 750 overclocked to 1Ghz, nobody had anything to say, how much different is it from then and now?

Flokster, its quite evident that his review brought some sort of relevance to erupt your negative reaction. What does com to your mind is the price you paid for the P4 probably?

 

[Wingznut]

&quot;It shows a glimpse of the actual Athlon 1.6Ghz processor&quot;

What actual Athlon 1.6ghz cpu? I didn't know they had one.


gzollinger, if Tom's point was based on dollar to dollar performance, then he failed miserably.

 

[fkloster]

<< What does com to your mind is the price you paid for the P4 probably? >>



Dexion, I spent $600 for the upgrade. Stop runnin' your mouth if you don't know what else to say...dig?

Fact is, that review stinks. Want lopsided results? Lets vapochill a P4 and compare to a stock 1.2 Athy!!

 

[KarlHungus]

I'm an AMD fan and all, but that article was WAY loaded in favor of the Athlon...

 

[fkloster]

LOADED!! (thank you Karl... )

 

[Dexion]

<< What actual Athlon 1.6ghz cpu? I didn't know they had one. >>



No, not now obviously. However since the Palomino isn't out til at least 6 more months, this is the closest interpretation to a Athlon Palomino at 1.6Ghz. I'm sure there will be some scaling differences.



<< Dexion, I spent $600 for the upgrade. Stop runnin' your mouth if you don't know what else to say...dig?

Fact is, that review stinks. Want lopsided results? Lets vapochill a P4 and compare to a stock 1.2 Athy!! >>



Well then you got yourself a good deal! $600 isn't what the average person's price. *wonders how I run with my mouth*

I thought the review was decent, not amazing, but it definately shows the possibilities with the Vapochill system. I would like to see a P4 running a Vapochill and it would have been nice to see that performance. For the price I have to fork over, it would definately be a &quot;dream&quot; machine. The Tbird Vapochill is definately a luxery option for some of us that owns a current Tbird system.

 

[LordEdmond]

Thinking of going back to work ( ah a distant memory ) and piping in the main frame's chilled water for more cooling two 400 tonne chillers should do the trick , hang on two chillers 500hp each mmmmm 500 * 2 * 750watts that a lot of kwh to pay for ??

I aggree what we need is a level playing field to compare systems

 

[Dexion]

<< P4-1.5ghz = $589

AMD 1.2ghz + Vapochill = $905 >>



what about the motherboards and ram?

 

[Rectalfier]

It's funny how Intel market's the P4 as a games and multimedia processor considering it loses in all of these except quake3. The only thing P4 does really well in is memory benchmarks. It's quite sad how rambus is the only good part of the P4.

 

[Wingznut]

Rectalfier, not too dissimilar to when the 486 was considered faster than the initial Pentium offerings. Or when the P5 architecture was considered faster than the P6 architecture.

Hmmm...