Tomato: Fruit or Vegetable?

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FoBoT

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tomato is the ovary. there you go. fruit all the way

chicks are fruits, guys are not, we don't have ovaries or seeds
 

Bryophyte

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Originally posted by: tikwanleap
Originally posted by: Bryophyte
Culinarily it is considered a vegetable.
Botanically it is considered a fruit.

Both are correct. It depends on why you want to know.

Just because. Why ask why? :evil:

What I meant was, if you are asking "is that round red structure on that plant a fruit or a vegetable?" versus "is that tasty red thing on my salad a fruit or a vegetable?"
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
tomato is the ovary. there you go. fruit all the way

chicks are fruits, guys are not, we don't have ovaries or seeds
your AV has ovaries

 

tikwanleap

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Originally posted by: Bryophyte
Originally posted by: tikwanleap
Originally posted by: Bryophyte
Culinarily it is considered a vegetable.
Botanically it is considered a fruit.

Both are correct. It depends on why you want to know.

Just because. Why ask why? :evil:

What I meant was, if you are asking "is that round red structure on that plant a fruit or a vegetable?" versus "is that tasty red thing on my salad a fruit or a vegetable?"

I know, I was just being super silly ass. :laugh:
 

silverpig

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The REAL answer is it is both.

Fruits are a subset of vegetables. Vegetables are any edible plant material, fruits are the fleshy material surrounding or containing the seeds.
 

SaturnX

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It's a fruit, if it posesses seeds, then I call it a fruit, so squash/pumpkins/bananas/cucumbers etc.. all fruits.

--Mark
 

LeiZaK

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Originally posted by: silverpig
The REAL answer is it is both.

Fruits are a subset of vegetables. Vegetables are any edible plant material, fruits are the fleshy material surrounding or containing the seeds.

Don't know where you got that info, but it is VASTLY incomplete.
 

FoBoT

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Originally posted by: tikwanleap
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: FoBoT
tomato is the ovary. there you go. fruit all the way

chicks are fruits, guys are not, we don't have ovaries or seeds
your AV has ovaries

What's an AV?

she means my picture. avatar. i have the red haired chick avatar today, so it has some ovaries. well , in theory. technically it is just a picture of a chicks head. and the ovaries are not in the head, they are down lower. so unless this picture of a chicks head is deformed to include ovaries, then it doesn't really have ovaries. or seeds. so the avatar isn't a fruit, but real chicks are. unless they had surgery, then they are still real chicks, but are missing ovaries.

this is too complicated, what was the question?
 

silverpig

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Originally posted by: LeiZaK
Originally posted by: silverpig
The REAL answer is it is both.

Fruits are a subset of vegetables. Vegetables are any edible plant material, fruits are the fleshy material surrounding or containing the seeds.

Don't know where you got that info, but it is VASTLY incomplete.

Some bio guy posted it in one of the previous fruit vs. vegetable threads with a bunch of links. Seemed pretty convincing. Dictionary.com supports it too, although wiki says that vegetables are parts of plants for food but are not fruits.

And of course it's incomplete... it was a one line post.
 

Bryophyte

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Originally posted by: LeiZaK
Originally posted by: silverpig
The REAL answer is it is both.

Fruits are a subset of vegetables. Vegetables are any edible plant material, fruits are the fleshy material surrounding or containing the seeds.

Don't know where you got that info, but it is VASTLY incomplete.

Botanically, it just isn't correct. The vegetative parts of the plant is pretty much everything that isn't a fruiting body. The term "vegetable" isn't really used in botany. Culinarily it isn't correct either. Vegetables and fruits are arbitrarily assigned to plant products based on how we use them. When we eat rhubarb pie, we think of rhubarb as a fruit, even though it is a plant stem, not a fruit. When we eat eggplant, we think "vegetable" even though it is a fruit botanically.
 

OffTopic1

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Tomato (Solanum lycopersicum) --From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Botanically speaking a tomato is the ovary, together with its seeds, of a flowering plant. This would mean that technically it would be considered a fruit. However, from a culinary perspective the tomato is typically served as a meal, or part of a main course of a meal, meaning that it would be considered a vegetable. This argument has led to actual legal implications in the United States. In 1887, U.S. tariff laws which imposed a duty on vegetables but not on fruits caused the tomato's status to become a matter of legal importance. The U.S. Supreme Court settled this controversy in 1893, declaring that the tomato is a vegetable, along with cucumbers, squashes, beans, and peas, using the popular definition which classifies vegetables by use, that they are generally served with dinner and not dessert. The case is known as Nix v. Hedden.

In concordance with this classification, the tomato has been proposed as the state vegetable of New Jersey.
When the US court going to declare that avocado is a vegetable?

Law makers know better than scientist :roll:
 

tikwanleap

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Originally posted by: OffTopic

Tomato (Solanum lycopersicum) --From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Botanically speaking a tomato is the ovary, together with its seeds, of a flowering plant. This would mean that technically it would be considered a fruit. However, from a culinary perspective the tomato is typically served as a meal, or part of a main course of a meal, meaning that it would be considered a vegetable. This argument has led to actual legal implications in the United States. In 1887, U.S. tariff laws which imposed a duty on vegetables but not on fruits caused the tomato's status to become a matter of legal importance. The U.S. Supreme Court settled this controversy in 1893, declaring that the tomato is a vegetable, along with cucumbers, squashes, beans, and peas, using the popular definition which classifies vegetables by use, that they are generally served with dinner and not dessert. The case is known as Nix v. Hedden.

In concordance with this classification, the tomato has been proposed as the state vegetable of New Jersey.
Law makers know better than scientist :roll:

Yeah, I would say law makers have more power rather than knowing more than scientists. They're probably like, "WTF? Tomatoes are ovaries?"
 

GhettoPeanut

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Originally posted by: tikwanleap
Originally posted by: NatePo717
Originally posted by: LeiZaK
Contains citric acid and has seeds = It's a fruit

Ok, what about cucumbers? Fruit or vegetable?


if it has seeds its a fruit, this does not mean peas and what not.
this does not inlcude peas/beans/nuts.
so cucumbers are fruits
 

Pantoot

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Originally posted by: GhettoPeanut
if it has seeds its a fruit, this does not mean peas and what not.
this does not inlcude peas/beans/nuts.
so cucumbers are fruits


According to the arizona republic, its a veggie (they were talking about watermelon, but mention the cucumber):

It's a vegetable, closely related to cucumbers, pumpkins and squash, and it's 92 percent water. But most folks consider it a fruit and don't think about the other oddities when they slice open a watermelon and serve it at picnics.

And we all know, if it is in print, it has to be true!
 
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