[Toms] $200 Bay Trail Android notebooks

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Whether the aforementioned device prices include the MS tax or not is unclear but regardless if one were to take OEM profitability into account Intel will either have to massively subsidize these or the manufacturers take a greater hit cause at that price range hardly any amount of tangible profits are to be made by anyone in the food chain !
 

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Sounds like the same strategy they used with netbooks years ago, only this time an attempt to shave an extra $50 by dropping Windows.

I question the assumption (that both Tom's and cnet is making) that saying $200 notebook implies convertible tablet or even a touchscreen. If we're talking regular old netbook/notebook with Android then I doubt it'll sell.

Now, < $500 Haswell tablets, that could be pretty disruptive.
 

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Whether the aforementioned device prices include the MS tax or not is unclear but regardless if one were to take OEM profitability into account Intel will either have to massively subsidize these or the manufacturers take a greater hit cause at that price range hardly any amount of tangible profits are to be made by anyone in the food chain !

Really? It runs Android, and Atom chips are Intel's budget line and thus cost very little--$10 per device and a $30 chip are pretty typical for ARM too.
 
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Really? It runs Android, and Atom chips are Intel's budget line and thus cost very little.
The same atom chips that cannot be found in any budget or mid range smartphone ? Yeah right they're the ones I'm talking about & since they offer a nice performance bump I wouldn't expect Intel to sell them at a rate of peanuts or else we're gonna see shoddy performance synonymous with the ATOM brand !
--$10 per device and a $30 chip are pretty typical for ARM too.
The only major difference will be in the price of chips, as Android licensing fees are equal here, & if Intel doesn't lower current prices we're gonna see below par screens & an overall underwhelming experience.
 
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The same atom chips that cannot be found in any budget or mid range smartphone ? Yeah right they're the ones I'm talking about & since they offer a nice performance bump I wouldn't expect Intel to sell them at a rate of peanuts or else we're gonna see shoddy performance synonymous with the ATOM brand !

You can find Atom in some really cheap smartphones if you live in poorer countries. Look at what Lexington smartphones are selling for in Africa..

But there's no < $300 (much less $200) Atom tablet running Android. That's a really tough market to enter.
 

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The same atom chips that cannot be found in any budget or mid range smartphone ? Yeah right they're the ones I'm talking about & since they offer a nice performance bump I wouldn't expect Intel to sell them at a rate of peanuts or else we're gonna see shoddy performance synonymous with the ATOM brand !The only major difference will be in the price of chips, as Android licensing fees are equal here, & if Intel doesn't lower current prices we're gonna see below par screens & an overall underwhelming experience.

What, so you mean the Samsung ATIV Smart PC doesn't exist? A $500 tablet competes, on price, with flagship smartphones (don't forget that only the US gets subsidies from carriers).

I imagine that a weaker SoC will cost less as well, not to mention that netbooks are historically not loaded with fabulous screens.
 

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No tablet competes on price with flagship smartphones. They're totally different products and can't be compared. You can only compare a tablet with other tablets and there $500 is not budget or even mid-range.

(and btw, with Nexus 4 @ $300 I can see an era starting where $500 is no longer cheap for a good phone)
 

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What, so you mean the Samsung ATIV Smart PC doesn't exist? A $500 tablet competes, on price, with flagship smartphones (don't forget that only the US gets subsidies from carriers).

I imagine that a weaker SoC will cost less as well, not to mention that netbooks are historically not loaded with fabulous screens.
You know that really doesn't make any sense right ? Arguing just for the sake of it is a futile exercise no matter what spin you put on it !
 
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Whether the aforementioned device prices include the MS tax or not is unclear but regardless if one were to take OEM profitability into account Intel will either have to massively subsidize these or the manufacturers take a greater hit cause at that price range hardly any amount of tangible profits are to be made by anyone in the food chain !

The article did address that somewhat. It would not include windows unless MS drastically lowers the price of windows in order to try to keep ARM at bay, which could happen. Without windows, it is a no go for me, although I would consider it if you could install Linux.

I know it is a way for intel to use their fab capacity, but from a consumer standpoint, if it doesn't run windows, why not just get a cheap android tablet? There are plenty of those around the 200 dollar price point already.
 

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The article did address that somewhat. It would not include windows unless MS drastically lowers the price of windows in order to try to keep ARM at bay, which could happen. Without windows, it is a no go for me, although I would consider it if you could install Linux.
Likewise for me but, seeing the price bracket it sits in, a full blown linux will hardly be usable on it.
I know it is a way for intel to use their fab capacity, but from a consumer standpoint, if it doesn't run windows, why not just get a cheap android tablet? There are plenty of those around the 200 dollar price point already.
There were reports that Intel would be making those idle fabs available for use by other major chipmakers, is it true ? That'll give them potentially billions in revenue & profits also securing a future revenue stream so personally I feel that'd be a smart move !
 

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Sounds like the same strategy they used with netbooks years ago, only this time an attempt to shave an extra $50 by dropping Windows.

I question the assumption (that both Tom's and cnet is making) that saying $200 notebook implies convertible tablet or even a touchscreen. If we're talking regular old netbook/notebook with Android then I doubt it'll sell.

Now, < $500 Haswell tablets, that could be pretty disruptive.

The difference here is that Bay Trail isn't a lame duck CPU as was the original Atom. This should shake up the low end tablet market a bit, IMO.
 

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AMD's bobcat strategy was about price, Intels seems to be about form factor.

From what I can gather Intel's strategy is to bring the ultrabook form factor into lower price points.

$300 windows laptops aren't rare. But using Atom, instead of 35w celerons/pentiums, will mean entry laptops can be ultrathin.
 

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Asus FonePad

Even comes with a cellular radio and mic to use as a phone

You got me. I had no idea this thing existed. Figures that it'd use the much lower end Lexington SoC, honestly I was thinking more Clover Trail since this has got to be much less powerful (and weaker than most ARM tablets common now), but I can't really say anything now because I didn't specify that.

Still, looks like that price isn't totally on the level, according to the first comment.. really so cheap because of the market it's being sold in. A native USA version - which I doubt will be made available - wouldn't be so cheap.
 

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The same atom chips that cannot be found in any budget or mid range smartphone ? Yeah right they're the ones I'm talking about & since they offer a nice performance bump I wouldn't expect Intel to sell them at a rate of peanuts or else we're gonna see shoddy performance synonymous with the ATOM brand !The only major difference will be in the price of chips, as Android licensing fees are equal here, & if Intel doesn't lower current prices we're gonna see below par screens & an overall underwhelming experience.

The Z2760's recommended customer price is $41.
 

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The Z2760's recommended customer price is $41.
Do you know the price of handsets that it features in ? Now compare that to the price of a tablet, that'll be even more expensive for an OEM to make, so its either Intel footing the bill or reducing its prices otherwise manufacturers get screwed over this !
 

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http://shop.orange.co.uk/mobile-phones/san-diego-from-orange Cheap own brand phone from one of our mobile providers, using an Atom.
So you expect me to come to UK & order one of these ? Take a look at the list of handsets it supposedly features in & none of them are remotely close to the price bracket Intel is bragging about ~
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_(system_on_chip)

Intel may still get products as cheap as ~200$ but the level of performance will not be remotely equal to an equivalently priced ARM tablet !

edit : The equation is pretty simple really, at 200$ Intel spites its face or the OEMs else we get a subpar tablet that doesn't sell in the long run !
 
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This is the device you're talking about, around that 300$ mark ~ www.thinkdigit.com/Tablets/Asus-FonePad-First-Impressions_14361.html

With a Z2420 I'd expect a mediocre performance & there is no way to reduce current prices any further than that except for cutting more corners !

If you are not going to play latest AAA titles for Android, you wont notice performance differences between FonePad and Nexus 7. There are not too many things in Android which require speedy CPU (it was designed that way).
On the other hand FonePad while being priced similar to Nexus 7 is much more feature-rich (aluminum body, SD card slot, 3G and phone functionality, longer battery life)
 
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If you are not going to play latest AAA titles for Android, you wont notice performance differences between FonePad and Nexus 7. There are not too many things in Android which require speedy CPU (it was designed that way).
So what exactly are you gonna do with it ? There has to be some sort of differentiation for it to sell, or do you think "Intel inside" will sell it for you, mind you the other components will also have to be upto scratch !
On the other hand FonePad while being priced similar to Nexus 7 is much more feature-rich (aluminum body, SD card slot, 3G and phone functionality)
There is a ~100$ price difference(at most) in these two devices, does that make'em similarly priced ?
 
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