The server market takes the longest to break into.
AMD weren't just going to waltz in there in the first year.
Less emotive thinking and more rationality, please.
If AMD were able to supply Opteron into the market at 10 times the ASP of their Athlon line in 2003, do you not think that would have a material effect on the investment into - and thus the capacity of - their FABs?
Stop being silly and perpetuating the myth that Intel's illegal crap had no effect on AMD.
The server market takes the longest to break into.
AMD weren't just going to waltz in there in the first year.
Less emotive thinking and more rationality, please.
Milan is 64c.If AMD upped their core counts further on
Is 26c with anemic clocks strong?If Ice-Lake looks strong
It's a bloodbath in all fronts. Was AMD's target server market share for the foreseeable future 10%? I'd even say that's conservative. I'd guess it's hard not to switch platforms with all the cards on the table right now, even if it would require some work to transition for those who are locked in to Intel's platform.
Hope TSMC can keep up making those chiplets because these CPUs will be aggressively flying off the trays.
His meltdown is a pleasure to watch.
He couldn't have been more wrong about Rome.
Me thinks that AMD was more "bribery limited" than supply limited back in the good old days...
The smart IT players should be ordering EPYC now now NOW!!! so they can get them before their competition does.
Sadly, a chip that should have 80% of the market will be lucky to get 10-15%.
I'm actually surprised at how good the chip turned out to be. But that may be more of how Bulldozer-like the competition is.
its more a "don't forget about us" product.
I think hector wanted to give M Dell 1million free chips and was told to take a walk - so yes.
With SMT2, as all Zen cores period.With SMT3 or SMT4
I've already seen AMD-based PowerEdge refresh so soon™.It wasnt Dell but HP and 100k chips, btw Dell has been always completely sold out to Intel, prove is that they re the only ones that are not ready on day one of Rome launch, guess that they are more early infos providers for Intel than anything else...
Francois is such a funny guy.
If Intel had a healthy record of process improvements under their belts over the last five years, I think that would be a concern. We still haven't seen high-volume 10nm yet, and nobody knows if 7nm can be delivered on time either. Anyone waiting for a counterpunch will be waiting for a long time.
That's a question I'll always leave unanswered because I value my sources more than random forumites, sorry.how do you know that?
I'd expect AMD to double the number of cores again once process density strongly increases again. That will be the case for TSMC 5nm/Zen 4. I don't expect AMD to do a core increase in-between to an odd number like 96 cores.how do you know that?
I think hector wanted to give M Dell 1million free chips and was told to take a walk - so yes.
most importantly, they don't have the same problem anymore, as TSMC are also killing it nowadays. Not as good as intel on the same node (i. e. 7nm TSMC is only marginally better than intel 10 nm in some areas, and even worse in others), but their execution is what carried AMD's execution on its back to these huge victories this year.I don't think anyone's claiming that, just disputing the idea that Intel's illegal tactics were the only reason their marketshare didn't utterly collapse and allow AMD to take over the market in the mid-2000s.
Yes, AMD could have undoubtedly made more money in 2000-2001 and 2003-2006 than they did, but enough to expand their production capacity to anything approaching Intel's? I don't think they'd have have enough time before Conroe retook the performance lead.
I've got better. After the launch he explicitly said, Rome is DOA in VMsThe man is really a jewel, no one shines like him:
Yesterday he tweeted that he was "pretending" to talk nonsense.
Why?
To attract people to point out he was wrong.
Why?
To feel better blocking "fanboys".
But because he really believes everything he is saying he was "pretending to pretend", right?
Besides the people with "Piednoel Syndrome" and the usual bribery/FUD, there's still any plausible argument to deny what AMD achieved with Rome? There's still some light left for Intel in some small niche on a forgotten corner?
Personally what I want to see is not new products, is new prices.
Will Intel finally lower it's prices? Because the're will be a time when even with a better product people may stay away because of the ridiculous prices.
AMD weren't just going to waltz in there in the first year.
Less emotive thinking and more rationality, please.
Milan is 64c.
The man is really a jewel, no one shines like him:
ahemmm..... epyc has been out since 2017 and the official info of rome being anywhere between 90-110% faster at roughly the same power and removing the biggest disadvatage of naples (numa) has been out since computex, more than a half year now.If I was an IT guy who was in charge of ordering hardware (I have been at prior jobs), I would wait for someone else to order one first and get hit with the inevitable compatibility issues between EPYC and the hypervisor software we use. Once they have a patch out for that, THEN I upgrade.
Of course, everyone is switching to "the cloud" now, so we can just switch over to EPYC powered instance types once we've finished our validation and performance testing.