Tonight America should be proud!...

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Onceler
You're completely missing the point. When you vote based on the color of a candidate's skin, it's racism. This election has not changed racism one bit in America.


This is true,I know some people who voted for him because he is going to stick it to whites,they don't realize that it is not just whites who are going to get it but everybody

Ya, cry some more. :roll:

 

[syzygy]

Originally posted by: Onceler
You're completely missing the point. When you vote based on the color of a candidate's skin, it's racism. This election has not changed racism one bit in America.

Its not racism. The ISM would need to denote a craven systematic pattern built upon hate, prejudice, and other deplorable traits.

people voting for someone based on such idiotically narrow criteria as race (or religion or ethnic identity or how wide their shoulder
are) is typical voter irrationality. Its as old as democracy.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Goodbye choice of my doctor, been nice knowing you
Goodbye freedom of speech, been nice knowing you
Goodbye 2nd Amendment, been nice knowing you
Goodbye paycheck, been nice knowing you
Goodbye cheap electricity, been nice knowing you

Hello 4 years of hell

:frown:

Cry more. It'll help you embrace irrationality better.

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: mooseracing
It's not really a great day. 96% of the black vote was for Obama, nearly all the black people that voted said they were happy to finally be able to vote black. By Obamas handout plans the country is going to get into an even larger deficit.

This election showed how racist the races that are complaing aout equal rights are.

This is the first time a minority ran for pres., what did you expect??. I don't think their vote was an expression of hate for whites at all, just the excitement that a black man had a chance at all. Who knows, in the future we might see blacks voting against blacks if they don't like the candidate. As far as fiscal responsibility goes, the current GOP has rung up deficits of unimaginable magnitude, their party mantra of "less government, less spending" went out the window some time ago..

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: mooseracing
It's not really a great day. 96% of the black vote was for Obama, nearly all the black people that voted said they were happy to finally be able to vote black. By Obamas handout plans the country is going to get into an even larger deficit.

This election showed how racist the races that are complaing aout equal rights are.

Reverse YOUR COLOR and tell us all how you feel
http://www.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/li...ican/2000/lynching.htm

http://withoutsanctuary.org/main.html

 

[dahunan]

BTW.. LMAO... He IS MORE OF AN INTELLECTUAL than anything the Whitey Republicans put out there in the last 20 years+++

 

[AmigaMan]

all of you who are saying racism hasn't changed one bit in America because black people voted for a black president just think about this. Black people are still a minority. Obama could not have been elected president if whites, asians, hispanics and other hadn't voted for him. If you ask me, America spoke out last night and it culminated in the shedding of a very racist past. Sure we're not completely there yet, but it's happening...change is happening.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: AmigaMan
all of you who are saying racism hasn't changed one bit in America because black people voted for a black president just think about this. Black people are still a minority. Obama could not have been elected president if whites, asians, hispanics and other hadn't voted for him. If you ask me, America spoke out last night and it culminated in the shedding of a very racist past. Sure we're not completely there yet, but it's happening...change is happening.

Good point.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Goodbye choice of my doctor, been nice knowing you
Goodbye freedom of speech, been nice knowing you
Goodbye 2nd Amendment, been nice knowing you
Goodbye paycheck, been nice knowing you
Goodbye cheap electricity, been nice knowing you

Hello 4 years of hell

:frown:

They said the same things when Clinton won in 1992, hopefully Obama stays away from wedge issues so he doesn't end up with the same problems Clinton had when the Democrats lost the 1994 midterm elections due to wedge issues.

 

[MiniDoom]

as a person of mixed races, I find it a little offensive no one mentions Obama as half/black-white. just black or african-american, like being part white's a bad thing.

 

[mooseracing]

[/quote]
This is the first time a minority ran for pres., what did you expect??. I don't think their vote was an expression of hate for whites at all, just the excitement that a black man had a chance at all. [/quote]

Every media outlet is saying racism is made a huge step foward, yet they continue to televise blacks saying "I'm glad I could finally support someone black".

Am I the only one that this makes their head hurt? If I said I'm glad all the canidates are white on tv I would have people protesting at my house the next day.

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: tamaron

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: mooseracing
It's not really a great day. 96% of the black vote was for Obama, nearly all the black people that voted said they were happy to finally be able to vote black. By Obamas handout plans the country is going to get into an even larger deficit.

This election showed how racist the races that are complaing aout equal rights are.

The people here don't want to hear these truths mooseracing. Let them think we're united. It makes them calm.

So are you divided then?
Try to imagine how the black people have been living in USA for decades, centuries, now imagine yourself as a black man, next see two options: a white anglo-saxon religious conservative man and a Black progressist.
Are telling me that your vote could be white? I don't believe it.
It's a REACTION. For the first time the black people have seen a person who had real chance to get in the White House.

You're completely missing the point. When you vote based on the color of a candidate's skin, it's racism. This election has not changed racism one bit in America.

I understand what you are saying, but I am being opressed being a white male. Everyone knows when it comes to handouts in america as far as college or welfare white young males are at the bottom.

I could care less what my skin color or the party running, I voted for someone that would uphold the constitution not go against it in nearly every way. I also didn't vote for the person that was part of the socialist party. I don't understand how america could vote for someone that was part of a Socialist party. It goes against everything in this country, and the people that have defended and created this countries dreams.

 

[Agamar]

I was waiting in line to vote, and was amazed at the voter turnout for my 90% black area. Although I voted agains the Obamanation, at least it did bring people to the poles.

Unfortunately, as I was listening to people chatter back and forth, I came to realize that the majority of them did not vote for the issues. Some of them were voting for the first time, but from a political standpoint, they shouldn't have bothered. That is what makes voting important, the ability to make choices based on the needs of the people. So many of the people voting just have no clue about why they are voting.

Personally, I think that Obama has made some very lofty promises (more than any other presidential candidate I can remember). From my experience, the politician who makes the most promises is the one who keeps the least. I hope that his "spreading of the wealth" doesn't cut into my pocket! I just started making enough money to feel comfortable!

 

[microbial]

The election is historic. But it's only a step on the road to progress.

BTW, I'm white and I voted for BO because he was was the more intelligent candidate. I'm tired of below-average intellects as top administrators. We need people who have above average minds leading us.

 

[Zenmervolt]

You know, I really question the "America should be proud" comments and the "this is an historic moment" comments. I mean, let's look at what really happened:

What happened was the landslide victory of a Democratic candidate from a city renowned for creating strong politicians at a time when there is overwhelming disgust with the incumbent and when the incumbent's party is directionless and fragmented. Frankly, in this election, the Democratic party ought to have been able to put a head of cabbage up as their candidate and still manage a victory. No-one in his or her right mind would have thought that there was any significant chance of a Republican victory regardless of candidates.

What, then, makes this "historic"? What makes it a "great event"? Obama is educated, intelligent, and has an exceptional presence in public. He is the sort of candidate that is an obvious choice and an obvious winner. There is nothing new or unusual about Obama's policies; his platform is solidly Democratic. His voting record shows no more real attempts at bipartisanship than any other politician's does. In every way, Obama is a typical Democratic candidate. He is an extremely good typical Democratic candidate, but policy-wise he is little different from Clinton, Carter, or Johnson. So why is this historic?

It's not.

I am interested to see how Obama fares. I think he has the ability to do quite well and I hope that he is able to take advantage of his potential, but I hardly think that this is an historic event.

By and large, the people who are calling this "historic" are middle-class white folks who want to be able to pat themselves on the back and use this as reassurance that they really aren't prejudiced because, after all, they just elected an African American to the Presidency.

ZV

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: MrColin
I stepped outside to see and hear what was going on. Hundreds or maybe thousands of people were out in the streets, what they were chanting was "UNITY!"

If that sort of herd mentality doesn't absolutely scare the living shit out of you, there's something seriously wrong inside your head.

ZV

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
You know, I really question the "America should be proud" comments and the "this is an historic moment" comments. I mean, let's look at what really happened:

What happened was the landslide victory of a Democratic candidate from a city renowned for creating strong politicians at a time when there is overwhelming disgust with the incumbent and when the incumbent's party is directionless and fragmented. Frankly, in this election, the Democratic party ought to have been able to put a head of cabbage up as their candidate and still manage a victory. No-one in his or her right mind would have thought that there was any significant chance of a Republican victory regardless of candidates.

What, then, makes this "historic"? What makes it a "great event"? Obama is educated, intelligent, and has an exceptional presence in public. He is the sort of candidate that is an obvious choice and an obvious winner. There is nothing new or unusual about Obama's policies; his platform is solidly Democratic. His voting record shows no more real attempts at bipartisanship than any other politician's does. In every way, Obama is a typical Democratic candidate. He is an extremely good typical Democratic candidate, but policy-wise he is little different from Clinton, Carter, or Johnson. So why is this historic?

It's not.

I am interested to see how Obama fares. I think he has the ability to do quite well and I hope that he is able to take advantage of his potential, but I hardly think that this is an historic event.

By and large, the people who are calling this "historic" are middle-class white folks who want to be able to pat themselves on the back and use this as reassurance that they really aren't prejudiced because, after all, they just elected an African American to the Presidency.

ZV

I think we should give you a second chance to answer your question by yourself. You kind of answer it, but seem unsure as to why.

 

[JJ650]

Originally posted by: rdubbz420
as a person of mixed races, I find it a little offensive no one mentions Obama as half/black-white. just black or african-american, like being part white's a bad thing.

True. He's neither one or the other. A sum of his parts.

It goes back to the early campaign of him not being "black enough" for the black voters. If he called himself "mocha" I don't think he would have gotten the votes from the minority groups he would have liked.

 

[microbial]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: MrColin
I stepped outside to see and hear what was going on. Hundreds or maybe thousands of people were out in the streets, what they were chanting was "UNITY!"

If that sort of herd mentality doesn't absolutely scare the living shit out of you, there's something seriously wrong inside your head.

ZV

Scarrrrryyyyyyy!!!

43 of these things not like the other. It's a Sesame street moment.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
You know, I really question the "America should be proud" comments and the "this is an historic moment" comments. I mean, let's look at what really happened:

What happened was the landslide victory of a Democratic candidate from a city renowned for creating strong politicians at a time when there is overwhelming disgust with the incumbent and when the incumbent's party is directionless and fragmented. Frankly, in this election, the Democratic party ought to have been able to put a head of cabbage up as their candidate and still manage a victory. No-one in his or her right mind would have thought that there was any significant chance of a Republican victory regardless of candidates.

What, then, makes this "historic"? What makes it a "great event"? Obama is educated, intelligent, and has an exceptional presence in public. He is the sort of candidate that is an obvious choice and an obvious winner. There is nothing new or unusual about Obama's policies; his platform is solidly Democratic. His voting record shows no more real attempts at bipartisanship than any other politician's does. In every way, Obama is a typical Democratic candidate. He is an extremely good typical Democratic candidate, but policy-wise he is little different from Clinton, Carter, or Johnson. So why is this historic?

It's not.

I am interested to see how Obama fares. I think he has the ability to do quite well and I hope that he is able to take advantage of his potential, but I hardly think that this is an historic event.

By and large, the people who are calling this "historic" are middle-class white folks who want to be able to pat themselves on the back and use this as reassurance that they really aren't prejudiced because, after all, they just elected an African American to the Presidency.

ZV

I think we should give you a second chance to answer your question by yourself. You kind of answer it, but seem unsure as to why.

That is only if you assume that random genetic chance is something that can make an event "historic". I reject that assumption and therefore do not accept Obama's race as having any impact on whether this is an historic event.

Obama's positions and political history are neither new, nor revolutionary. They are "historic" only in the sense that they are consistent with the history of the Democratic party.

Given that race alone is not able to make something an "historic" event, what other, legitimate, reasons can anyone give that makes this an event to be proud of? I see none. (To be sure, I neither see compelling reasons to be ashamed of this, it's nothing more than one more in a long line of elections.)

ZV

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
You know, I really question the "America should be proud" comments and the "this is an historic moment" comments. I mean, let's look at what really happened:

What happened was the landslide victory of a Democratic candidate from a city renowned for creating strong politicians at a time when there is overwhelming disgust with the incumbent and when the incumbent's party is directionless and fragmented. Frankly, in this election, the Democratic party ought to have been able to put a head of cabbage up as their candidate and still manage a victory. No-one in his or her right mind would have thought that there was any significant chance of a Republican victory regardless of candidates.

What, then, makes this "historic"? What makes it a "great event"? Obama is educated, intelligent, and has an exceptional presence in public. He is the sort of candidate that is an obvious choice and an obvious winner. There is nothing new or unusual about Obama's policies; his platform is solidly Democratic. His voting record shows no more real attempts at bipartisanship than any other politician's does. In every way, Obama is a typical Democratic candidate. He is an extremely good typical Democratic candidate, but policy-wise he is little different from Clinton, Carter, or Johnson. So why is this historic?

It's not.

I am interested to see how Obama fares. I think he has the ability to do quite well and I hope that he is able to take advantage of his potential, but I hardly think that this is an historic event.

By and large, the people who are calling this "historic" are middle-class white folks who want to be able to pat themselves on the back and use this as reassurance that they really aren't prejudiced because, after all, they just elected an African American to the Presidency.

ZV

I think we should give you a second chance to answer your question by yourself. You kind of answer it, but seem unsure as to why.

That is only if you assume that random genetic chance is something that can make an event "historic". I reject that assumption and therefore do not accept Obama's race as having any impact on whether this is an historic event.

Obama's positions and political history are neither new, nor revolutionary. They are "historic" only in the sense that they are consistent with the history of the Democratic party.

Given that race alone is not able to make something an "historic" event, what other, legitimate, reasons can anyone give that makes this an event to be proud of? I see none. (To be sure, I neither see compelling reasons to be ashamed of this, it's nothing more than one more in a long line of elections.)

ZV

It doesn't really matter what you accept or reject. It is Historic because of past History.

 

[tamaron]

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: tamaron

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: mooseracing
It's not really a great day. 96% of the black vote was for Obama, nearly all the black people that voted said they were happy to finally be able to vote black. By Obamas handout plans the country is going to get into an even larger deficit.

This election showed how racist the races that are complaing aout equal rights are.

The people here don't want to hear these truths mooseracing. Let them think we're united. It makes them calm.

So are you divided then?
Try to imagine how the black people have been living in USA for decades, centuries, now imagine yourself as a black man, next see two options: a white anglo-saxon religious conservative man and a Black progressist.
Are telling me that your vote could be white? I don't believe it.
It's a REACTION. For the first time the black people have seen a person who had real chance to get in the White House.

You're completely missing the point. When you vote based on the color of a candidate's skin, it's racism. This election has not changed racism one bit in America.

Literally. Then all of us are racists to some extent. Why are you saying that the black vote is racist? because the majority has voted for Obama? Then the white votes are racist too... All of the past elections are governed by racism isnt it?

And honestly, we are on earth not in heaven, so expect the black people mobilized by a black politician more than a white one. Just like the whites do.

We are based, biased, managing prejuices all the time. it's the way your mind works, identifying patterns, trying to figure what is going to happen next. It's natural and it's not a bad thing, unless you sacrifice your common sense in favor of a radical and fanatic point of view.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
By and large, the people who are calling this "historic" are middle-class white folks who want to be able to pat themselves on the back and use this as reassurance that they really aren't prejudiced because, after all, they just elected an African American to the Presidency.

ZV

They may also be white folks who want to shed all the liberal guilt dumped on them constantly, and the associated package, such as affirmative action, race-based gerrymandering of voting districts, and the like. Hopefully, electing a black president means we can start abandoning gov't-sponsored racism as social policy.

Just last week I was talking with my brother-in-law about some of this, as his daughter (my niece) is preparing to apply for college, with her first choice being a state school. She's equal parts asian and hispanic, so she's torn between what race classification box to check on her admission form. All her advisors are telling her checking hispanic will increase her odds of getting into a state school, so that's the way she's going. It's absurd she even has to think about this - why is her race even relevant, why is the state even asking about it, and why does choosing one block over another magically increase her chances of getting admitted?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
By and large, the people who are calling this "historic" are middle-class white folks who want to be able to pat themselves on the back and use this as reassurance that they really aren't prejudiced because, after all, they just elected an African American to the Presidency.

ZV

They may also be white folks who want to shed all the liberal guilt dumped on them constantly, and the associated package, such as affirmative action, race-based gerrymandering of voting districts, and the like. Hopefully, electing a black president means we can start abandoning gov't-sponsored racism as social policy.

Just last week I was talking with my brother-in-law about some of this, as his daughter (my niece) is preparing to apply for college, with her first choice being a state school. She's equal parts asian and hispanic, so she's torn between what race classification box to check on her admission form. All her advisors are telling her checking hispanic will increase her odds of getting into a state school, so that's the way she's going. It's absurd she even has to think about this - why is her race even relevant, why is the state even asking about it, and why does choosing one block over another magically increase her chances of getting admitted?

History. Sins of the Father and all that Jazz.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: sandorski
It doesn't really matter what you accept or reject. It is Historic because of past History.

By that logic, everything is historic.

ZV

 

[mc00]

Originally posted by: MrColin
I awoke shortly after midnight, to the sound of a large crowd cheering and chanting something but I couldn't make out what it was they were chanting. At first I thought it was sports related as there are university recreation fields across the street from my house. It was much louder and more intense than that noise usually is. Then I realized the time, and that the poll results would probably be in on the west coast. I couldn't make out what the crowd was chanting, were they chanting "McCain?"
I stepped outside to see and hear what was going on. Hundreds or maybe thousands of people were out in the streets, what they were chanting was "UNITY!"
It's a great day for America.

yea... me too I was dead asleep. I heard loud screaming and sh!t.
I voted for him. I hope wasn't mistake if doesn't delivery.