Tonight's SEASON FINALE Lost Episode [05-13-2009]...

[slayer202]

Originally posted by: Champ
Holy crap just watched it

I noticed that Juliet's flashback was very modern, and it had me thinking, but Jacob wasn't there with her?...the only one where he wasn't

Dr. Candle or whatever didn't lose his arm but hurt his hand (future plot), some of them will have to survive to make the new films for after the incident so maybe they all lived?

There was a lot about charlie too, the ring and the guitar, something will involve him

thats all I can really think of at the moment

candle would have to survive, unless of course the bomb reset everything and they land in LAX

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: Champ
Holy crap just watched it

I noticed that Juliet's flashback was very modern, and it had me thinking, but Jacob wasn't there with her?...the only one where he wasn't

Dr. Candle or whatever didn't lose his arm but hurt his hand (future plot), some of them will have to survive to make the new films for after the incident so maybe they all lived?

There was a lot about charlie too, the ring and the guitar, something will involve him

thats all I can really think of at the moment

Jacob wasn't in Juliet's flashback and didn't touch Juliet like he touched the others, and she died. The others who had been touched, didn't die.

no. jacob didn't visit juliet because juliet wasn't on flight 815

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: bigrash

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: Champ
Holy crap just watched it

I noticed that Juliet's flashback was very modern, and it had me thinking, but Jacob wasn't there with her?...the only one where he wasn't

Dr. Candle or whatever didn't lose his arm but hurt his hand (future plot), some of them will have to survive to make the new films for after the incident so maybe they all lived?

There was a lot about charlie too, the ring and the guitar, something will involve him

thats all I can really think of at the moment

Jacob wasn't in Juliet's flashback and didn't touch Juliet like he touched the others, and she died. The others who had been touched, didn't die.

So far it looks like Jacob has only interacted with the original 815 Losties, and not those that arrived on Widmore's boat. I guess we wait till next January/February to find out why.

Jacob did interact with Ilana though.

that could have something to do with her role in all of this, whatever that may be.

 

[jonks]

When we saw Locke's body in the crate, anyone else think, fantastic, Locke's a Cylon?

I'm just glad Baltar didn't appear with a 6 foot blond, say "See?" and then vanish.

 

[JTsyo]

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
Sayid did say that taking the plutonium part out would make it much less destructive, but still enough to do damage.

The way a H-bomb works is that it first needs a fission (regular nuke) to power the fusion part. What they took from the bomb was the smaller nuke. Not sure how big this needs to be or how big they made it in the 50s.

Didn't Desmond also set off a bomb when the hatch was going nuts?

 

[slayer202]

Originally posted by: JTsyo

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
Sayid did say that taking the plutonium part out would make it much less destructive, but still enough to do damage.

The way a H-bomb works is that it first needs a fission (regular nuke) to power the fusion part. What they took from the bomb was the smaller nuke. Not sure how big this needs to be or how big they made it in the 50s.

Didn't Desmond also set off a bomb when the hatch was going nuts?

for all we know it could have been the same bomb

 

[imported_Champ]

Originally posted by: JujuFish

Originally posted by: Champ
Dr. Candle or whatever didn't lose his arm but hurt his hand (future plot), some of them will have to survive to make the new films for after the incident so maybe they all lived?

He didn't lose his right pinky toe either. I don't know why either is of any significance.

In one of the orientation films (not sure which one) he has a prosthetic arm, therefore it would have to be filmed after the incident, but it didn't look like he would lose his arm

 

[coloumb]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Juliet is alive? :Q

Could be...The ending wasn't really clear on what happened... which is what we should expect.

I was just glad whiny ass security guy was finally "written off" the show

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Champ

Originally posted by: JujuFish

Originally posted by: Champ
Dr. Candle or whatever didn't lose his arm but hurt his hand (future plot), some of them will have to survive to make the new films for after the incident so maybe they all lived?

He didn't lose his right pinky toe either. I don't know why either is of any significance.

In one of the orientation films (not sure which one) he has a prosthetic arm, therefore it would have to be filmed after the incident, but it didn't look like he would lose his arm

Also, in at least one of the orientation films he refers to the "incident" meaning he had to live thru the incident.

Also, it's interesting that no one has interpreted the flash at the end as a time switch flash and not a nuke flash. It could be that the act of drilling into the anomaly caused another time move event for the losties.

 

[imported_Imp]

Originally posted by: techs

Also, it's interesting that no one has interpreted the flash at the end as a time switch flash and not a nuke flash. It could be that the act of drilling into the anomaly caused another time move event for the losties.

I did not even think that. Wow, nice. Hope they bring Juliet or Charlotte back somehow.

 

[dr150]

Originally posted by: Kaido
Here's the book that Jacob was reading when Locke fell out of the building: "Everything That Rises Must Converge"

http://www.amazon.com/Everythi...Converge/dp/0374504644

"The flawed characters of each story are fully revealed in apocalyptic moments of conflict and violence that are presented with comic detachment."

One Amazon reviewer summed up that book"
"The stories, for the most part, take place in the rural South, where we hear the bleating of sheep, the snorting of pigs, and the mooing of cows. There is a narrow, but effective, variety of characters portrayed, from landowner to squatter, from black to white. The stories simmer with a religious flavor, and those who are religious seem to be either haughty and self-righteous or hopelessly naive. The religious bigots think their medicine is best and should be taken by everyone, while they themselves are really the ones "in need of a physician." The intellectuals weave throughout a story or two, and like some of the religious ones, they treat those around them with disdain and downright viciousness. The characters seldom remain unscathed, however. Divine justice usually swoops down and executes revenge upon them, either directly or indirectly. This revenge often tends toward the grotesque, and I often finished a story with my jaw hanging open."


Jacob seems to represent good (white shirt) and presents situations/choices to flawed characters maybe as a bet/challenge with the devil (black shirt) about humanity's ultimate redemption. The Devil, a fallen angel, always resented God for his favoritism of humans. Maybe the God and the Devil are using the island as a platform to conduct this "experiment."


EDIT: Years ago, Howard Stern said the producers were pitching "Lost" as some kind of experiment. The way it's being drawn out, you can see this whole thing being some kind divine experiment among the Gods with humans as the chess pieces.

 

[shadow9d9]

Well, looks like I missed this discussion.

I thought the finale was awful. 2 hours wasted with almost nothing happening. Lost moves at a glacial pace and people seem to eat it up. Sloppy pace, sloppy writing.

 

[Kaido]

Hah, the actor who plays Jacob is in tonight's CSI Vegas.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Champ

Originally posted by: JujuFish

Originally posted by: Champ
Dr. Candle or whatever didn't lose his arm but hurt his hand (future plot), some of them will have to survive to make the new films for after the incident so maybe they all lived?

He didn't lose his right pinky toe either. I don't know why either is of any significance.

In one of the orientation films (not sure which one) he has a prosthetic arm, therefore it would have to be filmed after the incident, but it didn't look like he would lose his arm

Also, in at least one of the orientation films he refers to the "incident" meaning he had to live thru the incident.

Also, it's interesting that no one has interpreted the flash at the end as a time switch flash and not a nuke flash. It could be that the act of drilling into the anomaly caused another time move event for the losties.

Ooh, both good points!

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Well, looks like I missed this discussion.

I thought the finale was awful. 2 hours wasted with almost nothing happening. Lost moves at a glacial pace and people seem to eat it up. Sloppy pace, sloppy writing.

hmmm. I don't think we watched the same thing. I watched a kickass two-hour episode of Lost... not sure what you watched.

Looks like you need to read all the discussion.

Beyond all the theories proposed in this thread, the finale really did patch up, or at least bring together, a lot of things that have been brought up throughout a lot of the series.

A lot of the remaining hanging threads, however, are really final season material, and likely, best served as the final batch of episodes. Most of the pertinent answers we're looking for, are going to be tied together, and if they are all answered, will be at the end.

However, the whole Jacob situation has finally been given light, and so has the whole Locke issue, though typical of a season finale, and Lost in general, new questions are put in place of answers to old ones. Now we have the whole WTF is Locke thing... when and where is Jacob from, including his beach pal.

I didn't expect a whole lot to happen in the finale, or really this season for that matter, and as expected, characters have continued to come first. But it was still thrilling, and more was brought up than I had expected. And the writers have even come out and said when the show ends, the characters will have been completely answered for, though *everything* about the island might not be answered, though presumably a good amount will be while dealing with the character stories.

Jacob is definitely going to be around next season, with the interactions between him and Richard, and Jacob's motivation for the way he has directed things.

And as for the fade to white issue. I'm expecting it was a time jump, or the bomb did absolutely minimal damage and was completely absorbed by the anomaly. We know Dr. Change lives, yet he was right near the entrance.

As for a theory, I think Jacob's beach pal becomes Smokey, and through smokey can take the appearance of anyone he wishes. How that happens, can't even make a theory for that.

 

[MikeyLSU]

Originally posted by: techs

Also, it's interesting that no one has interpreted the flash at the end as a time switch flash and not a nuke flash. It could be that the act of drilling into the anomaly caused another time move event for the losties.

I have pretty always though it represented both. I felt from before the last episode that the bomb would cause the incident(didn't happen like that) and they would go to present time after that.

And actually, looks like the bomb actually saves the island, otherwise the incident would have kept going with no end.

 

[coloumb]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Champ

Originally posted by: JujuFish

Originally posted by: Champ
Dr. Candle or whatever didn't lose his arm but hurt his hand (future plot), some of them will have to survive to make the new films for after the incident so maybe they all lived?

He didn't lose his right pinky toe either. I don't know why either is of any significance.

In one of the orientation films (not sure which one) he has a prosthetic arm, therefore it would have to be filmed after the incident, but it didn't look like he would lose his arm

Also, in at least one of the orientation films he refers to the "incident" meaning he had to live thru the incident.

Also, it's interesting that no one has interpreted the flash at the end as a time switch flash and not a nuke flash. It could be that the act of drilling into the anomaly caused another time move event for the losties.

Actually - that was my first thought. Think back to when Desmond was jumping through time after they stopped entering the code. I wouldn't be surprised if it went down something like this:

Dr Chang ran away..but his son remained behind or went back help the other Losties. It seems all the Losties are the only people within a certain range of the well [including Juliet] so they are time warped to the same time frame when Jacob is stabbed - [he did mention they are coming - which could be the Losties from 1970's]. Since this is LOST - in typical fashion, everyone wakes up above ground near the ruined swan [or not pending if they actually are killing off Juliet - she'll suffer the same fate that Locke did when he fell down a well]. Even though Sayad is on his death bed - the doc will somehow find a way to ensure he doesn't die.

 

[MTDEW]

Originally posted by: 9mak9
The guy from the beginning of the episode was locke at the end...he was also Christian through all 5 season...as well as Bens daughter a few weeks ago...he was also in the cabin that one time...when Ilana said someone else was using the cabin, it was the guy, who people keep calling Esau. That name is biblical terms is Jacobs brother who is trying to get his birthright, probably the island

He set that in motion the entire time. Christian told Locke he had to get off the island (to bring ben back) and die (so the guy can take over lockes body). He then became ben's daughter to make sure that ben would have to listen to everything locke says. Which includes killing Jacob.

Excellent summary of events.
I was having a rough time wrapping my mind around all of that and you summed it up very nicely.
THNX :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[MTDEW]

Heres an interesting theory i just read on another forum.
The theory is that Jacob is actually EVIL! :evil:

Young Kate steals a lunchbox. Jacob gets her out of it, allowing her to get away with stealing.

Young Sawyer is encouraged by Jaob to write his note. Thus promoting revenge.

Jacob holds back Sayid, but allows the love of his life to get hit by a car and die.

Jacob tricks Hurley to come back to the island, telling him what he wants to hear. That he is not cursed, that he is not crazy.

Jacob was trapped in a cabin surrounded by ash. Why would ash trap someone who was good? Think of Religion and Ash Wednesday (Edited for those of you who read my intial mistake).

The "dark one" is actually good, and the loophole is how can he figure out to kill the devil.

The scene we saw last night, is the final scene of the whole show. What we find out next season is that Jacob is the devil and how the "dark one" was able to find his "loophole" and kill him.

My theory on the "loophole" is that he can only be killed by one of his children or deciphiles. Benjamin Linus is the devil's son. As he said, "I lie, that's what I do".

The "dark one", maybe playing God or Jesus, uses Locke to lead his people to kill the devil and set them free. He is referred to as "Moses" at the end of last nights episode. What did Moses do? Set his people free.

Locke's body will be buried in the shadow of the statue. What is buried in the shadow of the staue? "He who shall set us free

 

[nageov3t]

Jacob holds back Sayid, but allows the love of his life to get hit by a car and die.

Jacob was trapped in a cabin surrounded by ash. Why would ash trap someone who was good? Think of Religion and Ash Wednesday (Edited for those of you who read my intial mistake)

both of these seemed ambiguous to me.

he could have just as easily saved Sayid's life by holding him back if the car was specifically aiming for them, and that might not have been Jacob in the cabin in the first place. Christian Shepard said that he spoke for Jacob, but no one on this show is especially known for telling the truth except Hurley and not-Jacob (smokey?) seems fond of impersonating the dead (Locke, Ben's not-daughter, possibly Christian, Echo's brother)

 

[UpgradeFailure]

Originally posted by: MTDEW
Heres an interesting theory i just read on another forum.
The theory is that Jacob is actually EVIL! :evil:

[/quote]

damon lindelof has said that jacob is good.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: MTDEW
Heres an interesting theory i just read on another forum.
The theory is that Jacob is actually EVIL! :evil:

Young Kate steals a lunchbox. Jacob gets her out of it, allowing her to get away with stealing.

Young Sawyer is encouraged by Jaob to write his note. Thus promoting revenge.

Jacob holds back Sayid, but allows the love of his life to get hit by a car and die.

Jacob tricks Hurley to come back to the island, telling him what he wants to hear. That he is not cursed, that he is not crazy.

Jacob was trapped in a cabin surrounded by ash. Why would ash trap someone who was good? Think of Religion and Ash Wednesday (Edited for those of you who read my intial mistake).

The "dark one" is actually good, and the loophole is how can he figure out to kill the devil.

The scene we saw last night, is the final scene of the whole show. What we find out next season is that Jacob is the devil and how the "dark one" was able to find his "loophole" and kill him.

My theory on the "loophole" is that he can only be killed by one of his children or deciphiles. Benjamin Linus is the devil's son. As he said, "I lie, that's what I do".

The "dark one", maybe playing God or Jesus, uses Locke to lead his people to kill the devil and set them free. He is referred to as "Moses" at the end of last nights episode. What did Moses do? Set his people free.

Locke's body will be buried in the shadow of the statue. What is buried in the shadow of the staue? "He who shall set us free

Interesting..

 

[MTDEW]

Instead of just qouting other peoples theories that are admittedly better and more thought provoking than my own, i guess its just better to post a link to the thread.
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lo...33026&tid=646835&tsn=1

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: coloumb

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Champ

Originally posted by: JujuFish

Originally posted by: Champ
Dr. Candle or whatever didn't lose his arm but hurt his hand (future plot), some of them will have to survive to make the new films for after the incident so maybe they all lived?

He didn't lose his right pinky toe either. I don't know why either is of any significance.

In one of the orientation films (not sure which one) he has a prosthetic arm, therefore it would have to be filmed after the incident, but it didn't look like he would lose his arm

Also, in at least one of the orientation films he refers to the "incident" meaning he had to live thru the incident.

Also, it's interesting that no one has interpreted the flash at the end as a time switch flash and not a nuke flash. It could be that the act of drilling into the anomaly caused another time move event for the losties.

Actually - that was my first thought. Think back to when Desmond was jumping through time after they stopped entering the code. I wouldn't be surprised if it went down something like this:

Dr Chang ran away..but his son remained behind or went back help the other Losties. It seems all the Losties are the only people within a certain range of the well [including Juliet] so they are time warped to the same time frame when Jacob is stabbed - [he did mention they are coming - which could be the Losties from 1970's]. Since this is LOST - in typical fashion, everyone wakes up above ground near the ruined swan [or not pending if they actually are killing off Juliet - she'll suffer the same fate that Locke did when he fell down a well]. Even though Sayad is on his death bed - the doc will somehow find a way to ensure he doesn't die.

oooh, i think you're onto something.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: Spineshank

Originally posted by: Kaido
Theory: Jacob is Jacob from the Bible, and that other dude is his brother Esau. Hence the Egyptian statue, and hence Jacob making Egyptian heiroglphyic quilts.

I was kinda thinking that too. It seemed this episode had a touch of biblical structure to it.

The Bible depicts Esau as a hunter who prefers the outdoor life, qualities that distinguished him from his brother, who was a shy or simple man, depending on the translation of the Hebrew word "Tam" (which also means "relatively perfect man").[1] According to the Bible, Esau is the ancestor of the Edomites.[1] In the Book of Genesis, Esau is frequently shown being supplanted by his younger twin Jacob (Israel).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esau

 

[imported_Champ]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: MTDEW
Heres an interesting theory i just read on another forum.
The theory is that Jacob is actually EVIL! :evil:

Young Kate steals a lunchbox. Jacob gets her out of it, allowing her to get away with stealing.

Young Sawyer is encouraged by Jaob to write his note. Thus promoting revenge.

Jacob holds back Sayid, but allows the love of his life to get hit by a car and die.

Jacob tricks Hurley to come back to the island, telling him what he wants to hear. That he is not cursed, that he is not crazy.

Jacob was trapped in a cabin surrounded by ash. Why would ash trap someone who was good? Think of Religion and Ash Wednesday (Edited for those of you who read my intial mistake).

The "dark one" is actually good, and the loophole is how can he figure out to kill the devil.

The scene we saw last night, is the final scene of the whole show. What we find out next season is that Jacob is the devil and how the "dark one" was able to find his "loophole" and kill him.

My theory on the "loophole" is that he can only be killed by one of his children or deciphiles. Benjamin Linus is the devil's son. As he said, "I lie, that's what I do".

The "dark one", maybe playing God or Jesus, uses Locke to lead his people to kill the devil and set them free. He is referred to as "Moses" at the end of last nights episode. What did Moses do? Set his people free.

Locke's body will be buried in the shadow of the statue. What is buried in the shadow of the staue? "He who shall set us free

Interesting..

oh snap...i have a lot to think about now