Tonight's SEASON FINALE Lost Episode [05-13-2009]...

[tboo]

Originally posted by: loki8481
one interesting thing I read on some other forums... in Juliet's flashback, the clothing, furniture, and hairstyles all seemed to be really modern, not 70's/80's

I noticed that. My fist thought was this isnt a flashback because everything looked modern(hair, clothes,..etc)

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: MTDEW
Heres an interesting theory i just read on another forum.
The theory is that Jacob is actually EVIL! :evil:

Young Kate steals a lunchbox. Jacob gets her out of it, allowing her to get away with stealing.

Young Sawyer is encouraged by Jaob to write his note. Thus promoting revenge.

Jacob holds back Sayid, but allows the love of his life to get hit by a car and die.

Jacob tricks Hurley to come back to the island, telling him what he wants to hear. That he is not cursed, that he is not crazy.

Jacob was trapped in a cabin surrounded by ash. Why would ash trap someone who was good? Think of Religion and Ash Wednesday (Edited for those of you who read my intial mistake).

The "dark one" is actually good, and the loophole is how can he figure out to kill the devil.

The scene we saw last night, is the final scene of the whole show. What we find out next season is that Jacob is the devil and how the "dark one" was able to find his "loophole" and kill him.

My theory on the "loophole" is that he can only be killed by one of his children or deciphiles. Benjamin Linus is the devil's son. As he said, "I lie, that's what I do".

The "dark one", maybe playing God or Jesus, uses Locke to lead his people to kill the devil and set them free. He is referred to as "Moses" at the end of last nights episode. What did Moses do? Set his people free.

Locke's body will be buried in the shadow of the statue. What is buried in the shadow of the staue? "He who shall set us free

Here's a good article:

http://jezebel.com/5256090/los...cap-jacobs-red-herring

It mentions that the fish Jacob is eating in the beginning is a "red herring". This is a huge clue that I totally overlooked. Your post makes a whole lot of sense that way - Jacob is really the bad guy and all this other stuff is just throwing us off.

Maybe

Also Jacob handed Jack an "Apollo" bar, throwin in some Greek mythology now? There's a whole entry on the bar, and many other appearances of the bar, here:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Apollo

Although that commercial they posted is now making me think of aliens...

I love this crazy show :laugh:

Edit: Ooh, that article also points out that when Jacob visite Ilana, not only did he not touch her, but he was wearing all black. And sat on a white chair. Imposter? :Q The symbolism, argg!

Edit 2: Also as that article points out, could be Osiris vs. Seth:

Osiris was a wise king and bringer of civilization ("You brought them here" makes sense now), and was viewed as the one who died to save the many, who rose from the dead. He was killed by his brother Seth?the god of storms darkness and chaos?who wanted Osiris' throne. Isis was into magic (circle of ash around the cabin, anyone?) and briefly brought Osiris back to life by use of a spell. Since he was dismembered by Seth, Isis went around the Earth, collecting pieces of Osiris' body to put him back together.

 

[techs]

To further the theory it wasn't the nuke that caused the bright light, but a time flash forward, how about the bomb which didn't explode was still down the hole under the Hatch 30 years later when Desmond turned the key?
And Desmond actually set off the bomb, which neutralized the energy, like wacky Danny said it would.
The book of Dan Faraday could have still been in 1977 so after the incident the Dharma guys picked it up, read it, and put in the "failsafe" based on Dan's theory?
And the bomb blast was sucked into the anomaly which is why it didn't blow up the island?

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: techs
To further the theory it wasn't the nuke that caused the bright light, but a time flash forward, how about the bomb which didn't explode was still down the hole under the Hatch 30 years later when Desmond turned the key?
And Desmond actually set off the bomb, which neutralized the energy, like wacky Danny said it would.
The book of Dan Faraday could have still been in 1977 so after the incident the Dharma guys picked it up, read it, and put in the "failsafe" based on Dan's theory?
And the bomb blast was sucked into the anomaly which is why it didn't blow up the island?

That sorta makes sense...it blew up and started screwing up time due to the anomoly.

I'm still wondering why they had a person pushing the button instead of a timer.

And how Walt did all the crazy ghost/computery stuff - via Smokie/Black Shirt Guy?

 

[lyssword]

The actor who plays Jacob was the drunk ex husband of Dexter's girlfriend

 

[Muadib]

Originally posted by: Spineshank

Originally posted by: Kaido
Theory: Jacob is Jacob from the Bible, and that other dude is his brother Esau. Hence the Egyptian statue, and hence Jacob making Egyptian heiroglphyic quilts.

I was kinda thinking that too. It seemed this episode had a touch of biblical structure to it.

I'm with you guys.

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: scott

Originally posted by: Imp
Fade to white? Bastards.

not fade to white...

rather, fade to nuclear blast

couldn't it just as easily have been the time jump white flash? maybe juliet isn't dead at all /hope

And what was with Ilyana speaking Russian in one scene, which would match her native dialect it would seem, and yet use a Spanish form of Richard, and understand Richard's answer in Spanish?

that was Latin, no? Ricadus definitely has that Latin-y sound to it.

I also thought the white flash was one big time jump. Wasn't that the whole point?
I also thought it was Latin, as it goes along with the whole biblical thing.

Here's the Wiki on Jacob for you heathens who don't know.

 

[foghorn67]

Is the biblical Jacob and Esau the story where their father was blind? And he can tell the difference because one had hairy arms? Was dude "A" on the beach a hairy guy?

 

[imported_Imp]

Originally posted by: techs
To further the theory it wasn't the nuke that caused the bright light, but a time flash forward, how about the bomb which didn't explode was still down the hole under the Hatch 30 years later when Desmond turned the key?
And Desmond actually set off the bomb, which neutralized the energy, like wacky Danny said it would.
The book of Dan Faraday could have still been in 1977 so after the incident the Dharma guys picked it up, read it, and put in the "failsafe" based on Dan's theory?
And the bomb blast was sucked into the anomaly which is why it didn't blow up the island?

That's what I thought a month ago. If it went off, there'd be a nice big crater. Desmond left a nice big crater when he did something in the hatch. No idea why he didn't get vaporised, unless he is another "Locke Ver. 2.0".

Don't know how Juliette could have survived though. Still hope she does.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: Imp

Originally posted by: techs
To further the theory it wasn't the nuke that caused the bright light, but a time flash forward, how about the bomb which didn't explode was still down the hole under the Hatch 30 years later when Desmond turned the key?
And Desmond actually set off the bomb, which neutralized the energy, like wacky Danny said it would.
The book of Dan Faraday could have still been in 1977 so after the incident the Dharma guys picked it up, read it, and put in the "failsafe" based on Dan's theory?
And the bomb blast was sucked into the anomaly which is why it didn't blow up the island?

That's what I thought a month ago. If it went off, there'd be a nice big crater. Desmond left a nice big crater when he did something in the hatch. No idea why he didn't get vaporised, unless he is another "Locke Ver. 2.0".

Don't know how Juliette could have survived though. Still hope she does.

I don't think Desmond is Desmond 2.0 or Jacobs' morphed enemy. Locke 2.0 had a sense of purpose. Desmond is just trying to live his life with Penny and lil' Charlie.

 

[Asparagus]

I'm guessing the white flash was a time jump - the bomb fell all that way down the shaft and didn't explode on impact...but then Juliette was able to set it off just by hitting it with a rock? Seems a bit odd...

 

[Caveman]

Originally posted by: Asparagus
I'm guessing the white flash was a time jump - the bomb fell all that way down the shaft and didn't explode on impact...but then Juliette was able to set it off just by hitting it with a rock? Seems a bit odd...

But it was a very carefully placed blow...

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Caveman

Originally posted by: Asparagus
I'm guessing the white flash was a time jump - the bomb fell all that way down the shaft and didn't explode on impact...but then Juliette was able to set it off just by hitting it with a rock? Seems a bit odd...

But it was a very carefully placed blow...

Juliet turned Sawyer into a responsible good guy. Is there anything she can't do? (outside of winning over any man who has seen Kate)

 

[oddyager]

Originally posted by: Imp

Originally posted by: techs
To further the theory it wasn't the nuke that caused the bright light, but a time flash forward, how about the bomb which didn't explode was still down the hole under the Hatch 30 years later when Desmond turned the key?
And Desmond actually set off the bomb, which neutralized the energy, like wacky Danny said it would.
The book of Dan Faraday could have still been in 1977 so after the incident the Dharma guys picked it up, read it, and put in the "failsafe" based on Dan's theory?
And the bomb blast was sucked into the anomaly which is why it didn't blow up the island?

That's what I thought a month ago. If it went off, there'd be a nice big crater. Desmond left a nice big crater when he did something in the hatch. No idea why he didn't get vaporised, unless he is another "Locke Ver. 2.0".

Don't know how Juliette could have survived though. Still hope she does.

She is going to be a lead character in another series so probably a good chance she's gone for good, or just come back though guest appearances. It's too bad. I liked her character.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Imp

Originally posted by: techs
To further the theory it wasn't the nuke that caused the bright light, but a time flash forward, how about the bomb which didn't explode was still down the hole under the Hatch 30 years later when Desmond turned the key?
And Desmond actually set off the bomb, which neutralized the energy, like wacky Danny said it would.
The book of Dan Faraday could have still been in 1977 so after the incident the Dharma guys picked it up, read it, and put in the "failsafe" based on Dan's theory?
And the bomb blast was sucked into the anomaly which is why it didn't blow up the island?

That's what I thought a month ago. If it went off, there'd be a nice big crater. Desmond left a nice big crater when he did something in the hatch. No idea why he didn't get vaporised, unless he is another "Locke Ver. 2.0".

Don't know how Juliette could have survived though. Still hope she does.

well, if its a time jump then she's going to be jumped in time although still in the same place...all the losties back in time are going to be in a different time but same places, so unless that hole is still there (or blowed up) she could be screwed (ie buried, kind of like what happened to Locke with the well) but still alive...

I hope she survived as well, I was getting tired as hell with the whole love triangle/quadrangle whatever it was and Sawyer/Juliette seemed to be the real deal they way the complimented and brought out the best in each other.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: oddyager

Originally posted by: Imp

Originally posted by: techs
To further the theory it wasn't the nuke that caused the bright light, but a time flash forward, how about the bomb which didn't explode was still down the hole under the Hatch 30 years later when Desmond turned the key?
And Desmond actually set off the bomb, which neutralized the energy, like wacky Danny said it would.
The book of Dan Faraday could have still been in 1977 so after the incident the Dharma guys picked it up, read it, and put in the "failsafe" based on Dan's theory?
And the bomb blast was sucked into the anomaly which is why it didn't blow up the island?

That's what I thought a month ago. If it went off, there'd be a nice big crater. Desmond left a nice big crater when he did something in the hatch. No idea why he didn't get vaporised, unless he is another "Locke Ver. 2.0".

Don't know how Juliette could have survived though. Still hope she does.

She is going to be a lead character in another series so probably a good chance she's gone for good, or just come back though guest appearances. It's too bad. I liked her character.

I didn't know that. Her imdb page says she's filming a remake of V but is that a series or a movie?
EDIT: http://www.scifiscoop.com/news...n-lights-v-the-series/
I see she is going to be on V:the Series. But it says only in the pilot.
btw Morena Baccarin will play the Janet Badler type character.
You can never have enough Morena Baccarin

 

[lokiju]

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
I sure hope they don't go with the change the future thing. I dont' think they will.

But I have a few questions with the Jacob situation. If Locke is really the Guy A from the opening scene, or smokey as most of us probably assume. Why did he need directions to Jaboc?

And why didn't Jacob defend himself. he knew Ben had a knife and egged him on to try to get Ben to kill him it seemed.

Jacob said "they're coming" or something like that right before he was killed and it was around when they were setting off the bomb in the past also. I'm thinking he was talking about the ones stuck in the past. I think the blast will "blast" them back to their correct time and none of them but maybe Juliet will be dead when all is said and done.

 

[lokiju]

Originally posted by: Kaido
Theory: Jacob is Jacob from the Bible, and that other dude is his brother Esau. Hence the Egyptian statue, and hence Jacob making Egyptian heiroglphyic quilts.

:shocked:

 

[Crono]

Originally posted by: lokiju

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
I sure hope they don't go with the change the future thing. I dont' think they will.

But I have a few questions with the Jacob situation. If Locke is really the Guy A from the opening scene, or smokey as most of us probably assume. Why did he need directions to Jaboc?

And why didn't Jacob defend himself. he knew Ben had a knife and egged him on to try to get Ben to kill him it seemed.

Jacob said "they're coming" or something like that right before he was killed and it was around when they were setting off the bomb in the past also. I'm thinking he was talking about the ones stuck in the past. I think the blast will "blast" them back to their correct time and none of them but maybe Juliet will be dead when all is said and done.

I'm thinking the "they" in "they're coming" are people/beings similar to Jacob and loophole guy, some of them perhaps above Jacob and that guy. You know, Jacob and whats-his-face are middle management, they got a crappy situation because of the whole island nuke event trying to mess up timeline, so the others (well, the other others) are stepping in. They would probably be time lords (no, not those time lords) in charge of different eras. And they probably were revered as gods (some of them, anyway) in their respective times. Their origin may indeed be ancient Egypt, as the temple and statue seem to indicate, but that may just be for Jacob and his buddy. The Biblical Jacob did indeed live in Egypt for the last part of his life (along with his sons and their families), but I really don't think Jacob is intended to be the literal Jacob. Name choice is definitely symbolic and historical, as are many of the names in Lost.

I highly doubt that Jacob and Bob are the highest beings in their universe. Some people think that they are equivalent of God and the Devil. I think their struggle may represent that, but from dialogue and events I think they are humans or at least human-like. There are people and beings above them. I don't know if there is a supreme deity over everything in the Lost universe, though.

 

[lokiju]

Originally posted by: techs
btw the H-bomb, if it indeed went off, must have been severely attenuated since Pierre Chang (Miles father) had to be around after the 'incident' since that's when he lost his arm and made the videos. And he was right on top of the bomb.
Could be the electromagnetic anomaly contained the blast or channeled it away (maybe that's how the statue came to be broken?).

Thats what I said to my wife last night, would explain why it's gone now. Maybe it caused some kind of earthquake like event.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: lokiju

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
I sure hope they don't go with the change the future thing. I dont' think they will.

But I have a few questions with the Jacob situation. If Locke is really the Guy A from the opening scene, or smokey as most of us probably assume. Why did he need directions to Jaboc?

And why didn't Jacob defend himself. he knew Ben had a knife and egged him on to try to get Ben to kill him it seemed.

Jacob said "they're coming" or something like that right before he was killed and it was around when they were setting off the bomb in the past also. I'm thinking he was talking about the ones stuck in the past. I think the blast will "blast" them back to their correct time and none of them but maybe Juliet will be dead when all is said and done.

I'm thinking the "they" in "they're coming" are people/beings similar to Jacob and loophole guy, some of them perhaps above Jacob and that guy. You know, Jacob and whats-his-face are middle management, they got a crappy situation because of the whole island nuke event trying to mess up timeline, so the others (well, the other others) are stepping in. They would probably be time lords (no, not those time lords) in charge of different eras. And they probably were revered as gods (some of them, anyway) in their respective times. Their origin may indeed be ancient Egypt, as the temple and statue seem to indicate, but that may just be for Jacob and his buddy. The Biblical Jacob did indeed live in Egypt for the last part of his life (along with his sons and their families), but I really don't think Jacob is intended to be the literal Jacob. Name choice is definitely symbolic and historical, as are many of the names in Lost.

I highly doubt that Jacob and Bob are the highest beings in their universe. Some people think that they are equivalent of God and the Devil. I think their struggle may represent that, but from dialogue and events I think they are humans or at least human-like. There are people and beings above them. I don't know if there is a supreme deity over everything in the Lost universe, though.

The middle-management or era-ruler thing makes sense.

Cursed Lost writers, EVERYTHING makes sense! :laugh:

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: MTDEW
Heres an interesting theory i just read on another forum.
The theory is that Jacob is actually EVIL! :evil:

Young Kate steals a lunchbox. Jacob gets her out of it, allowing her to get away with stealing.

Young Sawyer is encouraged by Jaob to write his note. Thus promoting revenge.

Jacob holds back Sayid, but allows the love of his life to get hit by a car and die.

Jacob tricks Hurley to come back to the island, telling him what he wants to hear. That he is not cursed, that he is not crazy.

Jacob was trapped in a cabin surrounded by ash. Why would ash trap someone who was good? Think of Religion and Ash Wednesday (Edited for those of you who read my intial mistake).

The "dark one" is actually good, and the loophole is how can he figure out to kill the devil.

The scene we saw last night, is the final scene of the whole show. What we find out next season is that Jacob is the devil and how the "dark one" was able to find his "loophole" and kill him.

My theory on the "loophole" is that he can only be killed by one of his children or deciphiles. Benjamin Linus is the devil's son. As he said, "I lie, that's what I do".

The "dark one", maybe playing God or Jesus, uses Locke to lead his people to kill the devil and set them free. He is referred to as "Moses" at the end of last nights episode. What did Moses do? Set his people free.

Locke's body will be buried in the shadow of the statue. What is buried in the shadow of the staue? "He who shall set us free

Just got to watch the finale. This ^^ is exactly what I was thinking during the ep.. we'll see how it pans out next season. I really wish Lost wasn't so panned for being "difficult to follow" and "jumping around" .. I love it for those very reasons. There's a lot to think about, and a lot going on.. it's fun.

 

[lokiju]

One thing I can't figure out in all of this is what about Claire? We saw her sitting in the cabin, if we're to assume that the guy on the beach in black was "trapped" in the cabin by the ash seal and was presenting himself in the form of Jack's (and Claire's) Dad then why did we see her sitting there in the rocking chair also?

I can't figure out how it factors in on any level so far...

 

[WildHorse]

Originally posted by: techs

You can never have enough Morena Baccarin

QFT

wish she'd grow her hair back like on firefly

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: scott

Originally posted by: techs

You can never have enough Morena Baccarin

QFT

wish she'd grow her hair back like on firefly

hehe,
found something relatively important about Juliet:


http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/20...5/lost-scoop-juli.html

'Lost' scoop: Juliet mystery (sort of) solved

And now for some news that should surprise no one: ABC is expected to announce tomorrow that it has picked up a reboot of the camptastic '80s thriller V and that Lost heroine Elizabeth Mitchell is a full-time castmember.

Translation: She will not be returning to Lost as a series regular.

However, before you go declaring Juliet DOA from last week's detonated hydrogen bomb, I should point out that this piece of scoop comes with a big but attached: Mitchell's Lost days are not done. Multiple sources confirm that the actress is expected to appear in an unspecified number of episodes next season, so it's entirely possible Juliet survived Jughead and her absence will be explained in another way. (Check out Doc Jensen's column this Wednesday for a comprehensive Juliet theorypalooza.)

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

Originally posted by: MTDEW
Heres an interesting theory i just read on another forum.
The theory is that Jacob is actually EVIL! :evil:

Young Kate steals a lunchbox. Jacob gets her out of it, allowing her to get away with stealing.

Young Sawyer is encouraged by Jaob to write his note. Thus promoting revenge.

Jacob holds back Sayid, but allows the love of his life to get hit by a car and die.

Jacob tricks Hurley to come back to the island, telling him what he wants to hear. That he is not cursed, that he is not crazy.

Jacob was trapped in a cabin surrounded by ash. Why would ash trap someone who was good? Think of Religion and Ash Wednesday (Edited for those of you who read my intial mistake).

The "dark one" is actually good, and the loophole is how can he figure out to kill the devil.

The scene we saw last night, is the final scene of the whole show. What we find out next season is that Jacob is the devil and how the "dark one" was able to find his "loophole" and kill him.

My theory on the "loophole" is that he can only be killed by one of his children or deciphiles. Benjamin Linus is the devil's son. As he said, "I lie, that's what I do".

The "dark one", maybe playing God or Jesus, uses Locke to lead his people to kill the devil and set them free. He is referred to as "Moses" at the end of last nights episode. What did Moses do? Set his people free.

Locke's body will be buried in the shadow of the statue. What is buried in the shadow of the staue? "He who shall set us free

Just got to watch the finale. This ^^ is exactly what I was thinking during the ep.. we'll see how it pans out next season. I really wish Lost wasn't so panned for being "difficult to follow" and "jumping around" .. I love it for those very reasons. There's a lot to think about, and a lot going on.. it's fun.

actually it was what *LIES* in the shadow of the statue. and you know the show is full of a bunch of liars.