Tonight's SEASON FINALE Lost Episode [05-13-2009]...

[Fingolfin269]

I loved that episode. Not sure why people always whine at the end of Lost seasons when you KNOW after the past ones you are going to be left with WTF all on your mind.

I just hope they manage to END the series without leaving us with a big WTF.

 

[JTsyo]

Anyone remember way back, all the hooha with Claire and her baby while she was still in Australia? Someone telling her the baby was special (evil?). Then we have Claire being drawn away by (Esau?) and it there was no flashback on Jacob visiting her. Did he really pick all the losties or were some picked by Esau as a counterpoint? It could be the other losties were just there to push the O6 along the way Jacob wanted.

Also when Jacob was about to be stabbed by Ben you should have said:
[Obi] If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.[/Obi]

 

[WT]

Originally posted by: UpgradeFailure
Anyone notice that Jacob touched every person he went to visit off island? He poked Kate in the nose, touched Jack's hand while passing the candy, touched Locke's shoulder, etc. They seemed to focus on that. Wonder what it means

I don't recall him touching Hurley in the cab at any point. The guitar was between them.

 

[Dedpuhl]

Awesome episode. I sure hope the writers tie it all together in the last season...

 

[nageov3t]

one interesting thing I read on some other forums... in Juliet's flashback, the clothing, furniture, and hairstyles all seemed to be really modern, not 70's/80's

 

[xchangx]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: scott

Originally posted by: Imp
Fade to white? Bastards.

not fade to white...

rather, fade to nuclear blast

couldn't it just as easily have been the time jump white flash? maybe juliet isn't dead at all /hope

And what was with Ilyana speaking Russian in one scene, which would match her native dialect it would seem, and yet use a Spanish form of Richard, and understand Richard's answer in Spanish?

that was Latin, no? Ricadus definitely has that Latin-y sound to it.

It was Latin,

Richard Alpert responded to the question of "What lies in the shadow of the statue?" with Ille qui nos omnes servabit - ?He who will protect/save us all.? Latin students will be careful not to confuse the verb servo, servare - ?protect, keep, save? (it?s the root of English words like ?conserve? and ?preserve"), with the almost-homophone servio, servire - ?to serve".

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wik...ncident,_Parts_1_%26_2

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Any thoughts on who the other people on the plane really are and what they think Frank might be a "candidate" for?

well we know fake Locke who got Jacob killed, wants to kill the new arrivals (the ones carrying dead locke in the silver case)

so im thinking new arrivals work for Jacob and wanted to get fake locke/Jacob's nemesis killed

 

[Illusio]

Originally posted by: WT

Originally posted by: UpgradeFailure
Anyone notice that Jacob touched every person he went to visit off island? He poked Kate in the nose, touched Jack's hand while passing the candy, touched Locke's shoulder, etc. They seemed to focus on that. Wonder what it means

I don't recall him touching Hurley in the cab at any point. The guitar was between them.

He did touch hurley. Right here.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
What should be VERY clear to people is that the Locke that came back to life on the island IS NOT LOCKE. It's the guy sitting next to Jacob on the beach in the opening scene who says I'm going to kill you someday.

Seems that guy can only take over the bodies of dead people. Perhaps Jacob can to. So the bad dude embodied Alex to prompt Ben, but perhaps Jacob embodied Christian Shepard to help Locke, Sun, etc.

 

[Kaido]

A friend pointed out the use of color - in the beginning of the episode, Jacob was wearing white and the other guy was wearing black. Ying/yang, Good/Evil theme?

 

[Kaido]

Here's the book that Jacob was reading when Locke fell out of the building: "Everything That Rises Must Converge"

http://www.amazon.com/Everythi...Converge/dp/0374504644

"The flawed characters of each story are fully revealed in apocalyptic moments of conflict and violence that are presented with comic detachment."

 

[Kaido]

I just realized, there was a LOT of foreshadowing about Locke not being Locke. Both Ben and Richard were repeatedly shocked that Locke had come back to life - Ben said, dead is dead, and Richard said, I've seen a lot of amazing things, but I've NEVER seen anyone come back to life. Huge clues that the real Locke was really dead, haha.

 

[bigrash]

Originally posted by: loki8481
one interesting thing I read on some other forums... in Juliet's flashback, the clothing, furniture, and hairstyles all seemed to be really modern, not 70's/80's

I didn't notice that. That's interesting considering that this was the only flashback that Jacob didn't make an appearance last night.

 

[Kaido]

So will we be seeing Charlie again?

Jacob left Charlie's guitar in the cab with Hurley and mentioned that he was lucky that he could talk to his dead friends.

Sun found Charlie's ring in Aaron's old crib on the beach.

 

[Stojakapimp]

What about this idea:

The Island represents the Garden of Eden; a place that has mystical powers, such as healing and allowing people to never age. Repeatedly, Jacob (God) gets people to come to the Island, which would represent mankind being created in the Garden. Yet, as the other guy says (Satan), whenever this happens, those people just end up quarreling and destroying each other (representing Adam and Eve's sinful nature and corresponding banishment from the Garden).

The other guy besides Jacob, who would represent the Devil, would greatly like to kill God, but he is not capable of doing so. But like in the Garden, the Devil changes forms in order to manipulate people (like Eve). Ultimately, he is able to manipulate Ben into killing Jacob. This could in turn represent the crucifixion of Christ, as the Devil has manipulated mankind (Ben) into killing his own creator (Jacob, who brought him to the Island).

Lots of loopholes in that theory, but it's a start. It also doesn't quite explain all the Egyptian influence.

 

[soulcougher73]

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
What about this idea:

The Island represents the Garden of Eden; a place that has mystical powers, such as healing and allowing people to never age. Repeatedly, Jacob (God) gets people to come to the Island, which would represent mankind being created in the Garden. Yet, as the other guy says (Satan), whenever this happens, those people just end up quarreling and destroying each other (representing Adam and Eve's sinful nature and corresponding banishment from the Garden).

The other guy besides Jacob, who would represent the Devil, would greatly like to kill God, but he is not capable of doing so. But like in the Garden, the Devil changes forms in order to manipulate people (like Eve). Ultimately, he is able to manipulate Ben into killing Jacob. This could in turn represent the crucifixion of Christ, as the Devil has manipulated mankind (Ben) into killing his own creator (Jacob, who brought him to the Island).

Lots of loopholes in that theory, but it's a start. It also doesn't quite explain all the Egyptian influence.

This is exaclty where my mind was going last night while watching it. Jacob in a white shirt(God) and the other guy in a black shirt(Satan) most likely representing evil. But he is not able to kilL God directly so he has humans do his dirty work through manipulation etc.

 

[imported_Champ]

Holy crap just watched it

I noticed that Juliet's flashback was very modern, and it had me thinking, but Jacob wasn't there with her?...the only one where he wasn't

Dr. Candle or whatever didn't lose his arm but hurt his hand (future plot), some of them will have to survive to make the new films for after the incident so maybe they all lived?

There was a lot about charlie too, the ring and the guitar, something will involve him

thats all I can really think of at the moment

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
What about this idea:

The Island represents the Garden of Eden; a place that has mystical powers, such as healing and allowing people to never age. Repeatedly, Jacob (God) gets people to come to the Island, which would represent mankind being created in the Garden. Yet, as the other guy says (Satan), whenever this happens, those people just end up quarreling and destroying each other (representing Adam and Eve's sinful nature and corresponding banishment from the Garden).

The other guy besides Jacob, who would represent the Devil, would greatly like to kill God, but he is not capable of doing so. But like in the Garden, the Devil changes forms in order to manipulate people (like Eve). Ultimately, he is able to manipulate Ben into killing Jacob. This could in turn represent the crucifixion of Christ, as the Devil has manipulated mankind (Ben) into killing his own creator (Jacob, who brought him to the Island).

Lots of loopholes in that theory, but it's a start. It also doesn't quite explain all the Egyptian influence.

Bernard and Rose = Adam and Eve. They're retired, they're happy, they're just enjoying life alone together.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: Champ
Holy crap just watched it

I noticed that Juliet's flashback was very modern, and it had me thinking, but Jacob wasn't there with her?...the only one where he wasn't

Dr. Candle or whatever didn't lose his arm but hurt his hand (future plot), some of them will have to survive to make the new films for after the incident so maybe they all lived?

There was a lot about charlie too, the ring and the guitar, something will involve him

thats all I can really think of at the moment

Jacob wasn't in Juliet's flashback and didn't touch Juliet like he touched the others, and she died. The others who had been touched, didn't die.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: Champ
Holy crap just watched it

I noticed that Juliet's flashback was very modern, and it had me thinking, but Jacob wasn't there with her?...the only one where he wasn't

Dr. Candle or whatever didn't lose his arm but hurt his hand (future plot), some of them will have to survive to make the new films for after the incident so maybe they all lived?

There was a lot about charlie too, the ring and the guitar, something will involve him

thats all I can really think of at the moment

Jacob wasn't in Juliet's flashback and didn't touch Juliet like he touched the others, and she died. The others who had been touched, didn't die.

So far it looks like Jacob has only interacted with the original 815 Losties, and not those that arrived on Widmore's boat. I guess we wait till next January/February to find out why.

 

[techs]

btw the H-bomb, if it indeed went off, must have been severely attenuated since Pierre Chang (Miles father) had to be around after the 'incident' since that's when he lost his arm and made the videos. And he was right on top of the bomb.
Could be the electromagnetic anomaly contained the blast or channeled it away (maybe that's how the statue came to be broken?).

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: destrekor
So far it looks like Jacob has only interacted with the original 815 Losties, and not those that arrived on Widmore's boat. I guess we wait till next January/February to find out why.

...or someone/thing that looked like Jacob....mwahaha!

And was the fade to white the bomb or was someone nosing around with the Wheel of Time (or both) that we'll find out about next year?

 

[MikeyLSU]

Sayid did say that taking the plutonium part out would make it much less destructive, but still enough to do damage.

 

[bigrash]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: Champ
Holy crap just watched it

I noticed that Juliet's flashback was very modern, and it had me thinking, but Jacob wasn't there with her?...the only one where he wasn't

Dr. Candle or whatever didn't lose his arm but hurt his hand (future plot), some of them will have to survive to make the new films for after the incident so maybe they all lived?

There was a lot about charlie too, the ring and the guitar, something will involve him

thats all I can really think of at the moment

Jacob wasn't in Juliet's flashback and didn't touch Juliet like he touched the others, and she died. The others who had been touched, didn't die.

So far it looks like Jacob has only interacted with the original 815 Losties, and not those that arrived on Widmore's boat. I guess we wait till next January/February to find out why.

Jacob did interact with Ilana though.

 

[JujuFish]

Originally posted by: Champ
Dr. Candle or whatever didn't lose his arm but hurt his hand (future plot), some of them will have to survive to make the new films for after the incident so maybe they all lived?

He didn't lose his right pinky toe either. I don't know why either is of any significance.