Tonight's SERIES FINALE Episode of Battlestar Galactica [03-20-2009]...

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
I can't get over how monumental Chief Ty's decision to strangle Tory was. If he hadn't strangled her would the humans and cylons be in some sort of state of peace? Without finding Earth?

It's kind of odd how everyone is fine with him just offing her there on the bridge mezzanine.

And what happened to Adama? Did he just starve to death next to Rosalyn's grave? He wasn't on the verge of death as he implied to Lee.

yeah, I mean, wtf, he couldn't have waited 30 seconds until after world peace was restored? and it's not like Gaelin's hands are clean.

TBH, I think I'd have preferred that ending with the second hour devoted to the future of humanity and the human/cylon hybrids, going into more depth about the importance of Starbuck and Hera.

Well, by mentioning Starbuck you have opened a can of worms.... ethereal worms.

I think the writers didn't have a good idea of how to bring Starbuck back. So they didn't even try to explain her.

I loved how right before the "mind meld" Tory made a huge point of saying that troubling things would be revealed about each of their lives, their "darkest secrets."

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: Vic
I am Jack's crushing sense of disappointment.

Come on, at least the initial battle scenes must have interested you.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege

Originally posted by: Vic
I am Jack's crushing sense of disappointment.

Come on, at least the initial battle scenes must have interested you.

What would have interested me would have been if the show would have stuck to its own original storyline instead of the writers backing it into a corner in the last 2 seasons and then burying it over with the biggest and grandest deus ex machina possible.

 

[Oceanas]

Originally posted by: Babbles


I think it was sort of implied that Daniel was Kara's father and the piano bar scenes were her sort of imagining being with her father at the piano again.

Actually it wasn't. In the podcast for "Islanded in a Stream of Stars," Ron Moore had to come out and spell it out for those that were under that mistaken impression (I never saw how people made the connection myself). He went on a spiel about normally not wanting to crush such speculation, since that's a great part of the fan interaction with the show, but that if he didn't put it to rest, people could miss what was actually happening in the final episodes by wondering how Daniel would tie in, show up, etc. Daniel was mentioned solely to fix the numbering problem with the Cylons after the Final Five were introduced, and because it provided a Cain and Abel type story with Cavil.

Originally posted by: CFster
Adama also said the planet (Earth) they jumped to was over a million light years away. How did they jump that far, as it's been made clear they have a limited range?

I'm not so surprised as to how Galactica jumped there, as I was that the rest of the fleet could make it there so fast. Even with the recent plot development about wanting to introduce Cylon tech into the Colonial jump systems (which they never really explained what tech exactly), there had never been an issue brought up about a limiting power factor or the like in the FTL drives. It was the computing power necessary to calculate the proper coordinates over the longer distances. The Cylon nav computer that was hooked up to the raptors for the Caprica rescue mission was able to calculate at a much greater distance than Colonial tech, so they were able to jump much farther each time. Since Starbuck ended up playing the angel role, she was essentially the nav computer for the last jump that was able to provide the appropriate coordinates. How a raptor was able to make it back to the fleet and the fleet back to Earth with stellar drift and all that jazz is the question. But no time to explain such things in the final minutes of the series finale.

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
It's kind of odd how everyone is fine with him just offing her there on the bridge mezzanine.

And what happened to Adama? Did he just starve to death next to Rosalyn's grave? He wasn't on the verge of death as he implied to Lee.

Well, Tigh and Ellen had also learned about what she did, so I doubt they had any problem with it. As soon as the connection was broken the fighting started again, so it's not like anyone could do anything about it at the time. What were they going to do, throw him in the Galactica brig and send him off with the fleet into the Sun?

I would assume Adm. Adama went on to build the log cabin. He didn't imply he was on the verge of death when he said goodbye to Lee and angel Starbuck. They knew that he was leaving because Roslyn was dying (what he meant about not having much time).

I really loved the finale, but it sure did hurt to watch the ship "break her back," the fleet setting off for the Sun, and the final revelations and deaths.

 

[silverpig]

I just finished watching it. LOVED IT.

My cool little pickup is when Starbuck was jumping the ship:

"There must be some kinda way out of here" ... (said the joker to the thief)

With the thief being Galactica for stealing Hera

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Sacrilege

Originally posted by: Vic
I am Jack's crushing sense of disappointment.

Come on, at least the initial battle scenes must have interested you.

What would have interested me would have been if the show would have stuck to its own original storyline instead of the writers backing it into a corner in the last 2 seasons and then burying it over with the biggest and grandest deus ex machina possible.

I second this motion. For all the good acting, the writing, the music, etc, it was all for naught. The fundamentals of the show - the plot - was a disaster. It's going to be the prettiest sci-fi show that everyone watched and no one understood.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: amddude
Yeah I didn't like the Starbuck ending either. And wtf, so Lee's dad is going to build a cabin a km or 2 away and they will never see each other again? Corny.

LOL yeah, like why can't they see each other again, and that goes for any of them...and silly how it all ends up the same anyway, figured that was the case but still stupid...they should have just built the city.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
I can't get over how monumental Chief Ty's decision to strangle Tory was. If he hadn't strangled her would the humans and cylons be in some sort of state of peace? Without finding Earth?

It's kind of odd how everyone is fine with him just offing her there on the bridge mezzanine.

And what happened to Adama? Did he just starve to death next to Rosalyn's grave? He wasn't on the verge of death as he implied to Lee.

Made sense, now the renegade cylons are all dead...personally that was my favorite part of the ep.

And with Adama, I think he just built a cabin and lived out there by himself...they leave that up for you to decide.

 

[makken]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Sacrilege

Originally posted by: Vic
I am Jack's crushing sense of disappointment.

Come on, at least the initial battle scenes must have interested you.

What would have interested me would have been if the show would have stuck to its own original storyline instead of the writers backing it into a corner in the last 2 seasons and then burying it over with the biggest and grandest deus ex machina possible.

I second this motion. For all the good acting, the writing, the music, etc, it was all for naught. The fundamentals of the show - the plot - was a disaster. It's going to be the prettiest sci-fi show that everyone watched and no one understood.

this.

It became painfully obvious that the writers were looking for ways out of the mess they wrote themselves into.

The whole angels thing + starbuck's resolution was pretty corny, and it still doesn't explain the brand new viper she came back on or how she interacted with.. well.. anything. The other so-called angels were more akin to hallucations, seen by select people, and as far as i can tell, can't interact with the real world physically. Starbuck doesn't fit that description at all.

Plot aside though, everything else was done quite well. Now that it's over, I would probably rank the show overall as 3rd best sci-fi series I've seen, behind Babylon5 and Firefly + Serenity.

 

[Cattlegod]

Starbuck = Jesus?

 

[acheron]

I thought it was excellent.

I missed Ron Moore at the end though. Have to watch the ending again and look for him.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: makken
this.

It became painfully obvious that the writers were looking for ways out of the mess they wrote themselves into.

The whole angels thing + starbuck's resolution was pretty corny, and it still doesn't explain the brand new viper she came back on or how she interacted with.. well.. anything. The other so-called angels were more akin to hallucations, seen by select people, and as far as i can tell, can't interact with the real world physically. Starbuck doesn't fit that description at all.

Plot aside though, everything else was done quite well. Now that it's over, I would probably rank the show overall as 3rd best sci-fi series I've seen, behind Babylon5 and Firefly + Serenity.

So was that what she was supposed to have been? an Angel as well?

Pretty corny for sure.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
Starbuck = Jesus?

I would say that Baltar was more of a Jesus character - preached against the current religious establishment (12 Lords of Kobol), favored monotheism, became a prophet to a group of outcasts, and was continuously persecuted for his actions.

 

[Codewiz]

Guess I am one of the few that felt that was a complete copout. To throw your hands up and say, "God did it" is just retarded........

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Guess I am one of the few that felt that was a complete copout. To throw your hands up and say, "God did it" is just retarded........

it's been a reoccurring theme since the start of the show, though (the hand of god at work, that is)

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Guess I am one of the few that felt that was a complete copout. To throw your hands up and say, "God did it" is just retarded........

it's been a reoccurring theme since the start of the show, though (the hand of god at work, that is)

There has been religious overtones since the beginning but this is just different.

They ended the series by saying, "we don't have any answers except God did it". I find that really lame.

Just like the whole concept of throwing away all the technology without any build up. They just suddenly decided they weren't ready for the technology so they would go back to spears and shit. Just lame IMO.

I think the overall series is just AWESOME but I am disappointed with the ending.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Guess I am one of the few that felt that was a complete copout. To throw your hands up and say, "God did it" is just retarded........

Negative.

Like Loki mentioned below, the concept of God or Gods was there from the get-go; at one point the cylons saw themselves as agents of God - crusaders if you will . . . did you watch any of the previous seasons?

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Guess I am one of the few that felt that was a complete copout. To throw your hands up and say, "God did it" is just retarded........

it's been a reoccurring theme since the start of the show, though (the hand of god at work, that is)

There has been religious overtones since the beginning but this is just different.

They ended the series by saying, "we don't have any answers except God did it". I find that really lame.

Just like the whole concept of throwing away all the technology without any build up. They just suddenly decided they weren't ready for the technology so they would go back to spears and shit. Just lame IMO.

I think the overall series is just AWESOME but I am disappointed with the ending.

that irked me a little bit... the idea that the last remaining original humans/cylons in the world would just say "ah, fuck it" and throw all of their technology into the sun was like wtf. surely transportation around the planet would have been insanely useful, especially with a fleet of toasters running around and god knows what happened to the rest of the skinjob fleet.

 

[Codewiz]

Actually I just read this. Pretty much summarizes my feelings.

http://cinemablend.com/televis...sn-t-Matter-16337.html

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Guess I am one of the few that felt that was a complete copout. To throw your hands up and say, "God did it" is just retarded........

it's been a reoccurring theme since the start of the show, though (the hand of god at work, that is)

There has been religious overtones since the beginning but this is just different.

They ended the series by saying, "we don't have any answers except God did it". I find that really lame.

Just like the whole concept of throwing away all the technology without any build up. They just suddenly decided they weren't ready for the technology so they would go back to spears and shit. Just lame IMO.

I think the overall series is just AWESOME but I am disappointed with the ending.

that irked me a little bit... the idea that the last remaining original humans/cylons in the world would just say "ah, fuck it" and throw all of their technology into the sun was like wtf. surely transportation around the planet would have been insanely useful, especially with a fleet of toasters running around and god knows what happened to the rest of the skinjob fleet.

I didn't have a problem with that.

Them giving up their technology is just a metaphor for making a choice of starting life over with a clean slate. I think it makes total sense when taken in context of the show.

From a practical point of view, if the toaster or skin jobs wanted to come after them, the colonial fleet was in no shape to even defend themselves. Galactica was all but destroyed, so many people were dead, and they just simply didn't have the weapons to really put up a fight.

Anyhow, getting rid of the technology does have a sense of finality in that they cannot tempt themselves to use their technology and have everything repeat over again.

I suppose either you start over, or you don't. They elected to start over again.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Actually I just read this. Pretty much summarizes my feelings.

http://cinemablend.com/televis...sn-t-Matter-16337.html

I'm sorry if I come off as a dick about this, but that article is just terrible and I think the author misses the point.

Simply put that is the point of genuinely good science fiction. I think it is a base desire for people to see pretty CG scenes, explosions, fight scenes and so forth. That is a very sophomoric approach to good science fiction - in fact I firmly believe that good science fiction has nothing to do with overly done graphical displays.

The way he ended was, in my asshole opinion, really true to how good science fiction should be.

 

[Exterous]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Exterous
Also I agree that it was great mis-direction about Cabo and the cease fire for resurrection tech

Twas no misdirection - they were being genuine. The 5 (or 4) knew Cavil had no wish to die, and Resurrection was the Cylon's only means of survival without Hera. Cavil didn't need Hera if he had Resurrection. So it was mutually beneficial.

As far as thinking it was a misdirection in order to nuke the colony (which I think is what you're implying)... the nukes were launched totally by accident. Racetrack was dead in the raptor, after taking a meteorite to the face or whatever. His hand ended up falling on the trigger switch to launch the missiles. It was totally by coincidence that the nukes launched. Or was it god's plan........

My personal favorite was when Cavil shit his pants when the nukes went off and said "frak it", stuck the gun in his mouth and offed.

I meant the writers misdirection - not the characters. I honestly thought that that would be how they intended to reconcile the Cylons and humans.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: loki8481
that irked me a little bit... the idea that the last remaining original humans/cylons in the world would just say "ah, fuck it" and throw all of their technology into the sun was like wtf. surely transportation around the planet would have been insanely useful, especially with a fleet of toasters running around and god knows what happened to the rest of the skinjob fleet.

They didn't dump all of their tech, but it appears they tried to...the thing that is silly is that how history kept repeating iteself....they should have just built a city. And I wonder how many cylons were in fact left. and even so could they find them?

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Actually I just read this. Pretty much summarizes my feelings.

http://cinemablend.com/televis...sn-t-Matter-16337.html

I'm sorry if I come off as a dick about this, but that article is just terrible and I think the author misses the point.

Simply put that is the point of genuinely good science fiction. I think it is a base desire for people to see pretty CG scenes, explosions, fight scenes and so forth. That is a very sophomoric approach to good science fiction - in fact I firmly believe that good science fiction has nothing to do with overly done graphical displays.

The way he ended was, in my asshole opinion, really true to how good science fiction should be.

Using the concepts of god, religion, mysticism, and philosophy to influence your work can enhance it greatly. Using those things to paint over gaping holes in the plot during at the end of your work is poor craft.

I generally happy with most of the finale. The author of the article makes the correct point that the characters are the most important feature of the series and not the effects (or sometimes sub-standard plot devices) and the writers really came through on that score.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Actually I just read this. Pretty much summarizes my feelings.

http://cinemablend.com/televis...sn-t-Matter-16337.html

Honestly god being behind the whole thing actually makes alot of sense given the rest of the show and the religious overtones. I just wish they had been more consistent with the Starbuck character...(why can everyone see and interact with her if she was implement of god)