Tony Snow died :(

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cwjerome

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Originally posted by: boomerang
Can we expect another week of Canonization like we had with Russert? The media sure gets all full of themselves when one of their own dies.

This is true...

Seemed like a nice guy, RIP

to his family

 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Seriously guys, whatever happened to politics stopping at the water's edge? If you think disagreeing with someone's political views is justification for being glad when they die, then I suggest you go outside on a nice day, lay on the grass at your local park and try to get some perspective, because clearly you lost it somewhere along the line. I don't know when we decided that politics is the be all, end all of our existence...but I for one think we take it WAY too far sometimes.

:thumbsup:
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
I can't wait for this to turn into another "librulz aren't compassionate" thread.

Then maybe these "librulz" shouldn't come and cheer the death of conservatives every chance they get. I think "librulz aren't compassionate" is a ridiculous, false generalization, but if that pisses you off so much maybe you should get pissed off at the "librulz" acting like assholes instead of the conservatives calling them on it. Obviously, most of the "librulz" here are good people that can put politics aside to show some respect for a man that died young and left a family behind. It's too bad a couple of jerkoffs give the rest of you guys a bad name.

for you Mr. Snow.
 

Lanyap

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: eskimospy
I can't wait for this to turn into another "librulz aren't compassionate" thread.

Then maybe these "librulz" shouldn't come and cheer the death of conservatives every chance they get. I think "librulz aren't compassionate" is a ridiculous, false generalization, but if that pisses you off so much maybe you should get pissed off at the "librulz" acting like assholes instead of the conservatives calling them on it. Obviously, most of the "librulz" here are good people that can put politics aside to show some respect for a man that died young and left a family behind. It's too bad a couple of jerkoffs give the rest of you guys a bad name.

for you Mr. Snow.

 

ProfJohn

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Real nice piece by Susan Estrich, uber liberal.

Maybe some of the haters will understand that a person died the other day not a political movement.
Tony Snow was a gem.

We usually disagreed - hell, we were paid to disagree for years, starting out nearly 20 years ago, when he was "Monday" at USA Today and I was "Thursday" and every week or so we did what was then considered a "novel" on-line back-and-forth for AOL called "The Great Debate."

Tony and I would disagree about the issues of the day in front of an "audience" (in those days, people signed in to enter the "hall") and then we would have a side conversation at the bottom of the screen, that no one else could see, about our lives, our careers and our families. Especially family. Robert Novak was the other conservative, and when he was debating me he was actually dictating so my side conversation was with his editor. With Tony, it was between us. Personal. That's the way Tony was. He always knew what mattered most. He loved his family, his country, and his life.

He drove some of my liberal friends somewhat crazy, to say the least, as President Bush's press secretary, not because he was in any way more dishonest than his predecessors (hello, Scott McLellan) but because he was so much better at it, more appealing, so much more likable, that he could almost make die-hards sympathize with positions they didn't take. He was great at the job, and he loved it. It was a gift, and he knew it.

Tony learned early about loss. His mother died when he was a kid, and she was only 37. He took good care of himself, but he understood that cancer could be lurking, as it was, and when it hit him, hard, he was as aggressive as you could be in fighting back. He wanted to live.

And live he did.

He loved being on television and radio, but he loved his job as press secretary even more. It was, he always said, the greatest job in the world. Unlike so many people who hold such jobs, and spend more time whining about the pay and the hours and the beatings they take from the media and the other side, Tony saw himself as lucky, blessed and grateful to be where he was. He had stared death down, and lived to travel the world with the President of the United States. How could he complain? He wore his yellow bracelet. He apologized when he was wrong. He tried to live as an example to other cancer patients, to show them that life doesn't end with a bad diagnosis, that illness can be a source of growth as much as font of pain.

If there were any justice, any fairness, any sense, I wouldn't be writing this right now.

The opening line of the news story this morning was that Tony "lost his fight with cancer." But that's all wrong. If cancer were a fair fight, Tony would have won. Losing implies that you could have won, might have won, had you done something more or different, had you been stronger or better. That's not how it works. Cancer is. Jerks sometimes survive it. Decent and honorable people sometimes are felled by it. It's not a fight; it's a plague.

Tony had a sweetness about him, a sweetness that, in the mean world that Washington and the media can be, sometimes led him to believe that everyone operated from the same place he did. We hung out together in New Hampshire four years ago, during the primary; I had rented a car, and he hadn't, and it was a measure of his courage, or foolhardiness that he would drive back and forth with me every day between the hotel in downtown Manchester and the FOX Box that was 20 minutes of winding roads away. I would regale him with gossip about who was doing what to whom, who was after whom, who was up and who was down, and he would gobble it up, wide-eyed. He was so earnest, so dear, he liked everyone and assumed the same about everyone else; he was honorable and honest, and assumed it about others. You are so naive, I used to say to him. He would shake his head.

But he wasn't really naive. He just knew what mattered and what didn't, what was worth caring about and what wasn't. He loved his Sunday show, but when he lost it, he didn't complain, he just turned his energy to radio. He loved being handsome and strong, but when cancer struck, and took that away, at least for a time, he didn't complain, he just fought it. He thought he had beaten cancer, but when he learned that he hadn't, that he wouldn't, he vowed to live with it, to be an example.

Our friend, our boss, Roger Ailes called him a "renaissance man." He was. Articulate, educated, informed, he was all those things. But for me, what defined him was not what was in his head but what was in his heart. He was a mensch. A good man died yesterday.
 

Mxylplyx

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All you people celebrating are worthless pieces of shit. He was a asked to be the public face for the administratin because of his talents. He had a PR job, and he did it well. This thread, and many of the people in it, embody everything that is wrong with politics in this country. Until radical and hateful people like those here are sidelined, we will never have moderation and political cooperation in Washington.
 

Lemon law

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Well one thing for sure, if you add the Citrix post to the Mxylplyx post, they add up to about zero. Last time I checked, Tony Snow is still dead.

Regardless if you think Tony Snow made your life better or worse, we can't kick him around anymore, and that is maybe where we should leave this thread.
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: Taejin
Why don't you express your sincere sadness at Stalin, Hitler and Mao's deaths as well.

We've hit a new low here at ATPN. Comparing a White House Spokesman to Stalin, Hitler and Mao.
 

Thump553

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While I agreed with maybe 10% of Snow's politic views, I still respected him. More so since I read the following quote from an article he wrote last July in Christianity Today:

"I don't know why I have cancer, and I don't much care...The mere thought of death somehow makes every blessing vivid, evey happiness more luminous and intense."

I'm not religious at all but I was deeply touched by the outlook he showed there.

PS-this should be a wakeup call to all us middle age males to remember to submit to a frequent two finger salute from your doctor.

 

Red Dawn

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From what I read it seems he was a well liked person, even by those who didn't agree with his politics. His legacy in the annals of American Politics will not even amount to a footnote but his legacy among those who knew him will live on. It appears he lived a good life albeit to short, many of us should be so lucky.
 
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