Tony Stewart killed a 20 year old dirt track driver....

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kevman

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whether you are on the street or on a race track, a natural reaction to someone walking toward your vehicle is to hit the goddamn brakes. Unless you have intent to do some harm , it doesn't make any sense why you would not try to stop or slow down along with swerving out of the way. Given his angers issues I think he did it on purpose and it appears that he will get away with murder.
 
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purbeast0

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whether you are on the street or on a race track, a natural reaction to someone walking toward your vehicle is to hit the goddamn brakes. Unless you have intent to do some harm , it doesn't make any sense why you would not try to stop or slow down along with swerving out of the way. Given his angers issues I think he did it on purpose and it appears that he will get away with murder.

that's not true at all. if i was going fast and someone jumped out infront of my car and they were 20 feet away from me, my natural reaction would be to swerve out of the way, which is what tony stewart tried to do but it was too late.
 

waggy

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Regardless of intentions, who in their right mind walks out into the middle of a DARK field at night, during a race on dirt where its more difficult to swerve out of the way?

also look at this picture



you notice the wings come down the side (kinda like a tie-fighter lol) it really restricts viewing,.
 

olds

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whether you are on the street or on a race track, a natural reaction to someone walking toward your vehicle is to hit the goddamn brakes...
This IS a natural reaction. But it is the natural reaction of an inferior driver. They are other ways to slow or steer. Especially on loose material like dirt, snow and ice.
 

bradley

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Well this other driver in the race thinks he was trying to avoid running the guy over.

Additionally to reiterate, the driver of the #45 car also testified to police that he reacted just in time to miss Ward... Stewart was directly behind him with likely less time to react. But this guy doesn't post on ATOT, so he isn't exactly an expert.

Also... if Ward charged the car and then *did* indeed attempt to grab hold of it, his actions are just plain foolish and a deathwish.
 
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lupi

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Did you fail to look at the consistency of the racing surface. You slam your breaks on that doing 30 and you'll be doing a good bit of gliding, probably some at an angle, before coming to a stop.
 

M0oG0oGaiPan

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ugh no you don't slam on your brakes. one it's dirt so how much traction is he really going to get? he's on the race line so that's just going to cause a pile up. he might not really even see the car in front of him. he's probably looking for his next reference point on the track.
 

OverVolt

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Man if only TS had the time to read these 16 pages in half a second second he'd have known exactly what to do.
 

kevman

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Of course you guys are correct slamming your brakes on a dirt track surface, my point is about his reaction to the situation. No matter how good of a driver he is, I still can't understand why he didn't slam the brakes or even attempt to slow down or swerve. Trying to stop even if it would not have worked is the reaction I would have expected if he had no intention of trying to hit him or nick him or intimidate him. Give his anger issues I think he was in a blind rage and his intent was there to do some harm to this kid and his reaction shows it.
 

Ns1

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Of course you guys are correct slamming your brakes on a dirt track surface, my point is about his reaction to the situation. No matter how good of a driver he is, I still can't understand why he didn't slam the brakes or even attempt to slow down or swerve. Trying to stop even if it would not have worked is the reaction I would have expected if he had no intention of trying to hit him or nick him or intimidate him. Give his anger issues I think he was in a blind rage and his intent was there to do some harm to this kid and his reaction shows it.

see:
This IS a natural reaction. But it is the natural reaction of an inferior driver. They are other ways to slow or steer. Especially on loose material like dirt, snow and ice.
 

TerryMathews

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Of course you guys are correct slamming your brakes on a dirt track surface, my point is about his reaction to the situation. No matter how good of a driver he is, I still can't understand why he didn't slam the brakes or even attempt to slow down or swerve. Trying to stop even if it would not have worked is the reaction I would have expected if he had no intention of trying to hit him or nick him or intimidate him. Give his anger issues I think he was in a blind rage and his intent was there to do some harm to this kid and his reaction shows it.
Assuming that a professional race driver will react in the same way as your grandma while driving a Buick is a strong indication that you ate lead paint as a child.
 

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While there is disagreement about when Stewart saw Ward, I think everyone agrees he saw #45--the car directly in front of him--constantly. The race is under caution and the guy in front of you suddenly makes a sharp left turn. Doesn't that tell you something? For example that there is something on the track (maybe debris, maybe something else) so you need to move over too? [Note this is under caution, so it is difficult to think of alternative explanations for a sudden sharp turn.]
 

HumblePie

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Assuming that a professional race driver will react in the same way as your grandma while driving a Buick is a strong indication that you ate lead paint as a child.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Okay that was funny comment and completely true.

To add to Terry's post:
Basically, professionals react the way they do because they TRAIN for it. If the natural reaction for a scenario is the wrong reaction for a fairly common scenario (ie avoiding a hazard on a dirt track) then the good professional drivers are going to train away their natural reactions. They train tot he point that the new reaction is now their natural reaction which may be completely different that what a non professional would do.
 

VulgarDisplay

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I take it people haven't see the video where it looks like ward is handing from the wing of Stewarts car on purpose.
 

lupi

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he's pulled out of next week's race. sources saying he's too upset over the matter still.
 

MongGrel

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Stewart was definitely blocking an outside pass. It takes two for a crash like that. Ward wasn't backing down. Stewart didn't put Ward into the wall per se, he was closing off Wards ability to pass.

I guess don't try to pass Stewart on the outside. Get the inside line and do the same thing to him, if he can catch back up. Tis racing.

I don't think he lost control of his car he was going for a pass he couldn't actually make. Reminds me of Ayrton Senna and his "If you don't go for a gap you aren't a racer." The older I get it seems racing is a dumber and dumber idea.
What does that have to do with smashing him later to be honest ?

I still think he misjudged trying to spray dirt on him in a rage and killed him.

I'd be hanging on to something to keep myself from going underneath the back wheel myself at that point.
 
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VulgarDisplay

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XvhrPu64Co

Video of him hanging off Stewarts wing and then falling.

It looks like things combined to make this happen. Ward thinks hes going to show stewart whos boss by hanging off the car, Stewart hits brakes in turn and starts sliding up the track into ward. When Stewart realized he's sliding up the track he gunned it to try and go back down and away from him not realizing ward had the bright idea to hang on the wing. When Stewart gunned it ward lost his grip and was run over.

That's just what I see.
 
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MongGrel

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He could have just kept coasting on the bottom of track like the guy before him that went by and there wouldn't even be an issue.
 
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