This. Anger issue or not.
Partial blame also for the guy who walks on the track.
Lol partial blame. If he wasn't on the track this would be a non issue.
If TS didn't put that kid into the wall, this would be a non-issue.
If TS didn't put that kid into the wall, this would be a non-issue.
Racing bro. Cars hit cars. Stay in your goddamn car after.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XvhrPu64Co
Video of him hanging off Stewarts wing and then falling.
It looks like things combined to make this happen. Ward thinks hes going to show stewart whos boss by hanging off the car, Stewart hits brakes in turn and starts sliding up the track into ward. When Stewart realized he's sliding up the track he gunned it to try and go back down and away from him not realizing ward had the bright idea to hang on the wing. When Stewart gunned it ward lost his grip and was run over.
That's just what I see.
That does make things look a bit different, although I don't know that it changes my opinion much. Stewart still looked like he was high on the line, which with a caution and the cars in front of him lower down the track there was no reason he should have been on that line. The guy actually takes a step back to miss the front of Tony's car. I just don't see how it could have gotten that close if Tony wasn't intending to get near him or wasn't paying attention.
The video does look like he swerved. I can't really see if there's any indication of him braking though. The earlier videos didn't look like he did and I can't really tell on this one, it doesn't look like much if he did. I still don't know why he acclerated. Its the worst thing he could have done. Plus if he swerved, his previous line would have taken him high up right by the wrecked car. That's a no-no in racing, you make sure and leave plenty of room around a wrecked car because if the driver is still in he might jump out or might be nearby where you can't see (exactly in the event its a case where the driver needs to get out and quickly).
The guy hanging on the car could have been because the car was sliding into him and he was avoiding getting run over by grabbing the nearest thing (the wing being the first thing his body would have made contact with). Now, maybe it was all because it happened so fast, but it appears to me that it doesn't acclerate until the guy is on the car (or the car hit him, I can't see well enough from that video to tell clearly one way or the other). Even if it was the guy ran up and jumped on Stewart's car the worst move in a vehicle like that would be to mash the accelerator. Sure he might buck the guy off but there's still that large spinning rear wheel that he could get caught on.
To me, it still looks like two idiots. I'd readily admit the other guy was the bigger one. I have never felt Tony intentionally hit the guy, but it just looks to me like he fucked up. It might have even just been his instinct to accelerate like that and things turned wrong. Maybe his reaction was to accelerate, swinging the back end down the track so that the rear wheel would miss the guy while he bucked him off?
But that's going by the evidence I've seen. Hopefully the other video and witnesses provide better information so those with the power to do anything about it can make a better conclusion about what happened.
I wont pretend to be a professional driver, but it seems like lot of you have never driven in a foot or so of snow before. To make a fast turn such as when you want to turn into an intersecting road and some ass is tailgating you sometimes you need to actually hit the gas otherwise the car wants to keep going straight. I would imagine loose dirt acts a bit similar to loose snow and hitting the gas was in an attempt to try to quickly correct the vehicle's direction after the wheels were turned. Though, are these things front wheel drive or rear wheel drive? I think this would apply more to front... Rear wheel drive is a bit more tricky in these conditions.
It's always easy to blame the driver without knowing the road conditions, the intersection of two people, and what is the right/wrong way to respond (their usually is no right way). When I was 13 I saw my best friend get hit/killed after he didn't look and turned into a car when we were riding bike. His parents tried to blame the driver until I testified that I looked, my friend didn't, and he died for it. His mom wasn't happy, but that was the truth. I felt bad but there was no way I was going to lie and the driver wasn't at fault. Could he have stopped? Maybe, but probably not. Could he have driven off the road, into a lake? Maybe, or he might have also driven into oncoming traffic to avoid.
This whole "Well, Stewart was at fault because he was driving high" is bullshit. The fucking moron decided to confront a guy in a car. Why? Because he wanted to be a big-swinging-dick. He kept going *TOWARDS* Stewart, not away, not to safety, on a track that wasn't conducive to quick stops, or diverting away from the problem. He decided to take his squishy body and try to stop a hard object that couldn't stop or move as well. That's his fucking fault. Stay in the goddamn car. It wasn't on fire, it wasn't rolling towards traffic, it wasn't out of control.
As far as Stewart putting him into the wall, that's racing. There is an assumption of risk when you race cars at high speeds in a clustered group, any mistake can, and will, happen. Don't like it, don't race.
You people keep going on about how its so explicitly obvious to stay in the car (although for some reason you people also keep ignoring that this type of racing actually has a pretty well established and even celebrated history of the complete opposite of that including by Tony Stewart himself, and yes its very stupid and was just asking for situations like this to happen). Like I've said, multiple times now, it is absolutely also explicitly known to not go anywhere near wrecked cars, debris, or people either, especially when the track conditions and handling of the cars are such an issue.
The road conditions are known. I don't know why you act like oh shit there could've been 12 inches of black ice suddenly appeared right in front of Stewart. The road conditions were not the cause of this, the actions of one or more of those directly involved in it were. If there's evidence to support it I'll gladly admit Stewart did what he could to avoid the guy and isn't at fault. So far I haven't seen any that show that enough to change my opinion. I still think he was intending to get close to the guy and just fucked up. Its possible we might never know.
That's terrible and sorry you had to experience that, but kudos for not hiding the truth.
He very clearly was not trying to get in front of Stewart's car (he clearly was trying to get Stewart's attention though so yes again he absolutely did move to get close to it, and yes for about the 50th time, that was stupid).
You people keep going on about how its so explicitly obvious to stay in the car (although for some reason you people also keep ignoring that this type of racing actually has a pretty well established and even celebrated history of the complete opposite of that including by Tony Stewart himself, and yes its very stupid and was just asking for situations like this to happen). Like I've said, multiple times now, it is absolutely also explicitly known to not go anywhere near wrecked cars, debris, or people either, especially when the track conditions and handling of the cars are such an issue.
Just because its the fault of the guy for being there in the first place does not absolve Stewart if he also took action that caused the collision. If say I'm in a footrace and someone is standing in the overall path but there's enough room to avoid them like others did ahead of me, and I go running by to scare them but instead I slide at the last moment and crash into them causing them to fall and crack their head open on the curb, I don't expect people to go "dur, dumbass shouldn't have been standing there!" I'd feel like my actions were the reason for such a serious outcome.
You really don't know any better than I. I'm stating how it looks to me based on the limited video evidence so far. I get you disagree, but you seriously have already completely ruled out that Stewart had any culpability? What if someday Stewart admits to intentionally hitting the guy or trying to buzz him? Is it possible that things will more conclusively show your opinion to be right? Of course, and I would definitely agree with it then. I don't know why some of you act like its just completely unfeasible that Stewart's actions might have made the situation worse.
Uh...ok? So, why not explain that to people like Tony Stewart who seem to take issue with it? Oh, right, his history of confrontational behavior on racetracks doesn't matter at all. I don't think I even mentioned anything about the wall incident in that post, and the original time I did I didn't take any issue, was merely explaining why it led to that situation (and, hey, maybe I should again say, the guy was stupid for doing that?). Race drivers are basically passionate assholes, and they react accordingly. I don't know why its so unfathomable to believe that its possible that two passionate assholes fucked up and it led to a worse situation.
The district attorney is taking the case to the grand jury:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...o-to-grand-jury-kevin-ward-jr-death/15724209/
Any lawyers have any experience with this? My guess is that this wouldn't happen unless there is some evidence indicating Tony's guilt.
I am no lawyer, but I know in the situations concerning high profile clients, DAs will turn over all evidence to a grand jury to see if they find sufficient evidence to return and indictment. It could be that is the case, and not necessarily that there is evidence indicating Tony's guilt.
Yep, this way if they don't prosecute, he can say "eh, grand jury did it", and he can also present things in a way to lead to that if he thinks he doesn't have enough for a conviction as well.
Basically dump responsibility off his shoulders.
What a crock of shit. Just be a famous race car driver and you can get away with man slaughter. Wonderful
Tmz reporting he's been cleared by a grand jury, to be officially announced later today.
If it's good enough for them to not find culpability, it's good enough for me.
What a crock of shit. Just be a famous race car driver and you can get away with man slaughter. Wonderful
What a crock of shit. Just be a famous race car driver and you can get away with man slaughter. Wonderful
What a crock of shit. Just be a famous race car driver and you can get away with man slaughter. Wonderful