Tony Stewart killed a 20 year old dirt track driver....

[ElFenix]

But the VIDEO!!!!!

Building 7!

 

[xBiffx]

Right. Because the legal matter is being decided on a medical issue.

Bottomline is that marijuana, technically, is no more a narcotic than water. It's simply not a narcotic, and the definition of a narcotic was only twisted to include it in attempt to demonize marijuana and associate it to actual dangerous narcotics.

Essentially, a definition of narcotic that includes marijuana is a corrupted definition.

That's all I'm getting at.

It'd be like someone stretching the definition of vegetable to include tomatoes because most people already think it's one. In reality, it's not.

What medical issue? WTF are you even going on about now?

It is illegal in New York to operate a vehicle under the influence of any drug. This argument of yours is completely ridiculous. Arguing semantics isn't going to win you many points here.

 

[TechBoyJK]

What medical issue? WTF are you even going on about now?

It is illegal in New York to operate a vehicle under the influence of any drug. This argument of yours is completely ridiculous. Arguing semantics isn't going to win you many points here.

It was determined by a medical professional (medical), not a lawyer (legal) that he was impaired.

It's totally semantics. I said earlier on that 'it is what it is' in regards to the guy possibly being so stoned he was fucked up enough to get hit by a car.

IMHO, it's not accurate to call marijuana, in and of itself, a narcotic on it's own merit.

Sorry. To me, I just feel like the narcotic label is a casualty of the drug war, and continuing to call it one lessens the importance of the word and those drugs which truly are narcotic.

Kind of like including marijuana as a schedule 1 controlled substance really diminishes the value of the label as it's applied to those things that truly should be schedule 1.

Nobody cares. I get it.

EDIT: I think what I'm trying to say is that there's the political agenda definition of narcotics, and then there's the scientific definition. It's a major issue, imho, as our drug policy is being shaped around political ideologies, not based at all in science. In a recent interview, when asked about the legitimacy of marijuana criminalization, Attorney General Eric Holder raised the same question.

"I think it's certainly a question that we need to ask ourselves — whether or not marijuana is as serious a drug as is heroin," Holder said. "[T]he question of whether or not they should be in the same category is something that I think we need to ask ourselves, and use science as the basis for making that determination."

 

[TechBoyJK]

So, you agree that cocaine should be treated in the same manner as you wish marijuana to be treated, since it is also not a "medical narcotic".

I've only heard the argument of is/isn't a narcotic as applied to marijuana. I really have no idea of how it should/shouldn't be applied to other substances.

 

[smackababy]

It was determined by a medical professional (medical), not a lawyer (legal) that he was impaired.

It's totally semantics. I said earlier on that 'it is what it is' in regards to the guy possibly being so stoned he was fucked up enough to get hit by a car.

IMHO, it's not accurate to call marijuana, in and of itself, a narcotic on it's own merit.

Sorry. To me, I just feel like the narcotic label is a casualty of the drug war, and continuing to call it one lessens the importance of the word and those drugs which truly are narcotic.

Kind of like including marijuana as a schedule 1 controlled substance really diminishes the value of the label as it's applied to those things that truly should be schedule 1.

Nobody cares. I get it.

Only recently (past like 10 or so years) could marijuana have been qualified to be removed from schedule 1 classification. The requirements are:

The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

You could argue it would now be schedule 3, based on that it has acceptable medical use and little physical dependence, even if it has high psychological dependence.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Only recently (past like 10 or so years) could marijuana have been qualified to be removed from schedule 1 classification. The requirements are:
You could argue it would now be schedule 3, based on that it has acceptable medical use and little physical dependence, even if it has high psychological dependence.

I would argue that it should have never been placed on Schedule 1 to begin with, but at the time, even the science community thought it was proper.

I'm not saying marijuana isn't a drug. It can definitely be used as one, for both medical and strictly enjoyment. It is also possible to abuse it, and harm can be caused. But I also think it's disingenuous for it to be grouped with heroin and actual narcotics. It lessons the value of the word and perpetuates misunderstanding of the potential harms. If someone tries marijuana and realizes it's about as dangerous as pepsi, teaching them that it's in the same class as heroin is incredibly dangerous in and of itself.

 

[BUTCH1]

Does marijuana not "make numb", does it not reactive primarily on the central nervous system? Sounds a lot like a narcotic to me.

If you truly believe marijuana does not impair judgement, effect mood or brain function, or such things; you are literally to dumb to insult.

Yes, of course it does, that's why it's called "dope", if it had no effect no one would fork over $30 for a gram of it. Whats odd about this whole deal is that marijuana is not known as a drug that induces hostile actions, like meth for example. In any event Ward had no business whatsoever getting out of his car and going down the track forcing other drivers to avoid him, if you want to confront Stewart about what happened during the race wait till it's over and do it then, IMHO since it involves Stewart Ward wanted to "make a name" for himself as the dude that challenged a NASCAR champion..

 

[TechBoyJK]

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/...nweedrethinkingmarijuanaasaschedule1drug.html

Just posted article on ALJ about shifting from a political view on marijuana to a view grounded in science

 

[smackababy]

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/...nweedrethinkingmarijuanaasaschedule1drug.html

Just posted article on ALJ about shifting from a political view on marijuana to a view grounded in science

It doesn't need to be any kind of shift. It no longer meets the requirements for being level 1 controlled substance. It has medical use, in some capacity. It should be, at most, level 3 controlled substance.

I think, as more states elect to decriminalize and outright legalize it, the federal law will be changed to show that. Regardless, currently, it is illegal under federal law and impairs judgement.

My biggest problem with legalizing marijuana is there is no test (that I've heard of or read about) that can test if someone is currently under the influence of it. I know they can detect if it has been used at some point, up to a certain extent, but unlike alcohol, there is no breathalyzer to check.

 

[Ns1]

My biggest problem with legalizing marijuana is there is no test (that I've heard of or read about) that can test if someone is currently under the influence of it. I know they can detect if it has been used at some point, up to a certain extent, but unlike alcohol, there is no breathalyzer to check.

Such a device does exist and is being used by LAPD. Too lazy to search for it now.

 

[smackababy]

Such a device does exist and is being used by LAPD. Too lazy to search for it now.

That is awesome then. I have no issues, if the device works as good as the breathalyzer, to outright legalization.

I do suspect quite a few people are going to end up short on friends afterwards. They will have to come to the harsh realization that the only reason people hung out with them was because they sold them weed at a reasonable price. Once Starbucks can beat that, I've no reason to see you anymore, creepy dude!

 

[TechBoyJK]

It doesn't need to be any kind of shift. It no longer meets the requirements for being level 1 controlled substance. It has medical use, in some capacity. It should be, at most, level 3 controlled substance.

I think, as more states elect to decriminalize and outright legalize it, the federal law will be changed to show that. Regardless, currently, it is illegal under federal law and impairs judgement.

My biggest problem with legalizing marijuana is there is no test (that I've heard of or read about) that can test if someone is currently under the influence of it. I know they can detect if it has been used at some point, up to a certain extent, but unlike alcohol, there is no breathalyzer to check.

That's (onsite testing) not an issue. Police already have a method to check for being under the influence of many drugs. It's called a field sobriety test.

If someone is 'high as a kite', but it's a seasoned user, there's very little impairment. It's very possible that they could still pass the strictest of field sobriety tests and a cop would never know. But it's no different than any other drug. It starts with a field sobriety test.

People texting while driving is remarkably more dangerous than people driving stoned. (and texting while driving stoned is terribad....)

My question is, if I can pass a field sobriety test with flying colors, does it really matter passed that point? Also, there are methods in development that can actually give a pretty accurate assessment of how much thc is actively in your system (versus the metabolites that can reside for months).

 

[PastTense]

The family of a young driver struck and killed by Tony Stewart's car on an upstate New York dirt track filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the NASCAR star Friday.
The lawsuit was filed as Stewart returns to Watkins Glen International on the one-year anniversary of the fatal crash.
The lawsuit accuses Stewart of gross negligence, saying he gunned his engine and put his car into a skid as 20-year-old Kevin Ward Jr. walked on the track after a crash at Canandaigua Motorsports Park on Aug. 9, 2014. The car struck Ward, and he was killed.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CAR_NASCAR_TONY_STEWART