Too bad no one had a CCW.. Tokyo man goes on stabbing rampage

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http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/...n.attack.ap/index.html

OKYO, Japan (AP) -- A man police said was on a murder mission plowed into pedestrians with a truck in a crowded Tokyo neighborhood Sunday and then stabbed 17 people in three minutes, killing at least seven in a grisly attack that shocked Japan.
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Rescue workers from the Tokyo Fire Department gather to help the injured in Tokyo's Akihabara district.

The lunchtime assault -- on the seventh anniversary of a mass stabbing in Japan in 2001 -- sent thousands of pedestrians into a panic in Tokyo's crowded Akihabara district, an electronics and video game area wildly popular among the country's cyber-wise youth.

A 25-year-old man, Tomohiro Kato, was arrested with blood on his face. Police said Kato provided no motive for the attack -- other than he wanted to murder strangers.

"The suspect told police that he came to Akihabara to kill people," said Jiro Akaogi, a spokesman for the Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department.

"He said he was tired of life. He said he was sick of everything," Akaogi said.

The violence began when he crashed a rented, two-ton truck into pedestrians. Kato jumped out and began stabbing the people he'd knocked down with the truck, then turned on horrified onlookers, police said.

Police confirmed seven deaths -- six men and one woman -- but they could not say whether the victims had died of injuries from the truck or were stabbed to death. Video Watch report on stabbing spree »

Reports said the attacker grunted and roared as he slashed and stabbed at Sunday shoppers crowding a street lined with huge stores packed with computers and other advanced electronics, and the latest in video and computer games.

"He was screaming as he was stabbing people at random," an unidentified male witness told public broadcaster NHK.

A witness also told NHK the suspect dropped his knife after police threatened to shoot him. Amateur video filmed by mobile phone showed policemen overpowering the bespectacled, bloodied suspect.

The attack paralyzed the district and sent thousands of Sunday shoppers into a panic. Amateur video taken five minutes after the rampage showed shoppers helping victims and a man screaming, "Ambulance, Ambulance!"

At least 17 ambulances rushed to the scene, and rescue workers feverishly tended to victims in the blood-pooled street.

As night fell on Akihabara, several pedestrians stopped by and prayed at the crime scene. A bouquet of flowers, bottles of green tea and incense sticks were placed at the site.
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Once rare, stabbing attacks have become more frequent in Japan in recent years as violent crime has increased.

In March, one person was stabbed to death and at least seven others were hurt by a man who went on a slashing spree with two knives outside a shopping mall in eastern Japan. In one of the worst attacks, a man with a history of mental illness burst into an elementary school in Japan on June 9, 2001, and killed eight children. The killer was executed in 200

If this had happened in say Texas he might have made it to stabbing one person before he was gunned down and stopped. Good job Japan gun laws keeping them safer.
 

fskimospy

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Gun deaths per 100,000 in Japan in 2007:
0.7
Gun deaths per 100,000 in the US in 2007:
7.07
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Gun deaths per 100,000 in Japan in 2007:
0.7
Gun deaths per 100,000 in the US in 2007:
7.07

They also live in a more or less police state. Another awesome trade off of no guns. Either way, my point in the OP still stands.
 

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Clearly the solution is to limit knife purchases as well as restricting the sale of non-kitchen and utility knives. Doing this will make society safer.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Gun deaths per 100,000 in Japan in 2007 = 0.7
Gun deaths per 100,000 in the US in 2007 = 7.07
Living in a free society = Priceless

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Gun deaths per 100,000 in Japan in 2007:
0.7
Gun deaths per 100,000 in the US in 2007:
7.07

Your leaving out an important fact... Japan happens to be one of the most homogeneous nations in the world. It has been proven when you have people from many different cultural, ethnic, and, religious backgrounds it causes social tensions and violence.
 

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I didn't say anything about the value of a free society, relative homogeneity, blah blah, whatever. If you plug it into a regression with the overall murder rate between Japan and the US you will still find a significantly lower rate of gun deaths.

I was just pointing out that the OP's contention that Japan's gun laws weren't keeping people safe because of the lack of a CCW guy there is somewhat specious.
 

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
I didn't say anything about the value of a free society, relative homogeneity, blah blah, whatever. If you plug it into a regression with the overall murder rate between Japan and the US you will still find a significantly lower rate of gun deaths.

I was just pointing out that the OP's contention that Japan's gun laws weren't keeping people safe because of the lack of a CCW guy there is somewhat specious.


Stop throwing facts at the gunz fetish boyz. It makes them homicidally mad.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: eskimospy
I didn't say anything about the value of a free society, relative homogeneity, blah blah, whatever. If you plug it into a regression with the overall murder rate between Japan and the US you will still find a significantly lower rate of gun deaths.

I was just pointing out that the OP's contention that Japan's gun laws weren't keeping people safe because of the lack of a CCW guy there is somewhat specious.


Stop throwing facts at the gunz fetish boyz. It makes them homicidally mad.

I suppose someone who staunchly supports the first amendment has a word fetish?
 

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I needed a part for my computer and was thinking about going to Akihabara (where this happened) yesterday. My wife and 6 month old came with me. Luckily, we decided to go to a different part of town. We would have been there when this took place.
 

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TOKYO, Japan (AP) -- A man police said was on a murder mission plowed into pedestrians with a truck in a crowded Tokyo neighborhood Sunday and then stabbed 17 people in three minutes, killing at least seven in a grisly attack that shocked Japan.

A gun would be hard pressed to stop a truck or any vehicle traveling at speed. if the truck hadn't been used, the death toll would have been lower. weather or not a gun had been there, the truck did the most damage. the gun control argument just does not hold water for me. using this as a pro gun argument falls far short.
 

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Originally posted by: dawp
TOKYO, Japan (AP) -- A man police said was on a murder mission plowed into pedestrians with a truck in a crowded Tokyo neighborhood Sunday and then stabbed 17 people in three minutes, killing at least seven in a grisly attack that shocked Japan.

A gun would be hard pressed to stop a truck or any vehicle traveling at speed. if the truck hadn't been used, the death toll would have been lower. weather or not a gun had been there, the truck did the most damage. the gun control argument just does not hold water for me. using this as a pro gun argument falls far short.

Police confirmed seven deaths -- six men and one woman -- but they could not say whether the victims had died of injuries from the truck or were stabbed to death. Video Watch report on stabbing spree »

what do you know that we don't

Either way, if someone had a CCW he would have been shot down after stabbing one person, or even before that when running around with a knife.
 

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Originally posted by: babylon5
Originally posted by: RichardE
If this had happened in say America he might have purchased guns with lots of bullets to shoot many person before he was gunned down and stopped.

Fixed

Still would have been taken out quickly by someone with a CCW, probably before seven people were stabbed/shot.
 

magomago

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Gun deaths per 100,000 in Japan in 2007:
0.7
Gun deaths per 100,000 in the US in 2007:
7.07

Well I don't think this statistic is fair because it makes it seem like deaths only come through guns. OF COURSE in a society where it is banned you will have substantially lower deaths due to guns. The question is if many of these deaths get shifted to other areas.

However, what this statistic should really show to us is that in a society where guns are banned, you still have about ~1000 shootings a year. This shows that if a criminal really wants a gun, they WILL find a way to get a hold of one. Is it worth it to ban guns for the safety of society? Its a slippery slope, and one I'd prefer we do not go down because the same rationale can be used to limit our own freedoms to protect us against the "TerrA4ists"
 

dawp

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: dawp
TOKYO, Japan (AP) -- A man police said was on a murder mission plowed into pedestrians with a truck in a crowded Tokyo neighborhood Sunday and then stabbed 17 people in three minutes, killing at least seven in a grisly attack that shocked Japan.

A gun would be hard pressed to stop a truck or any vehicle traveling at speed. if the truck hadn't been used, the death toll would have been lower. weather or not a gun had been there, the truck did the most damage. the gun control argument just does not hold water for me. using this as a pro gun argument falls far short.

Police confirmed seven deaths -- six men and one woman -- but they could not say whether the victims had died of injuries from the truck or were stabbed to death. Video Watch report on stabbing spree »

what do you know that we don't

Either way, if someone had a CCW he would have been shot down after stabbing one person, or even before that when running around with a knife.



The bolded is my point.The truck knocked them down, and until we have more info we don't know if they were stabbed to death or killed by the truck. And the truck was the first weapon. and if it was traveling at 20-30+ mph. a bullit will not stop a vehicle in motion immediatly. it will continue on and possibly cause more damage if the driver is shot and spasms with his foot on the gas pedal.
 

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Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Gun deaths per 100,000 in Japan in 2007:
0.7
Gun deaths per 100,000 in the US in 2007:
7.07

Well I don't think this statistic is fair because it makes it seem like deaths only come through guns. OF COURSE in a society where it is banned you will have substantially lower deaths due to guns. The question is if many of these deaths get shifted to other areas.

However, what this statistic should really show to us is that in a society where guns are banned, you still have about ~1000 shootings a year. This shows that if a criminal really wants a gun, they WILL find a way to get a hold of one. Is it worth it to ban guns for the safety of society? Its a slippery slope, and one I'd prefer we do not go down because the same rationale can be used to limit our own freedoms to protect us against the "TerrA4ists"

I already addressed that. Even when you put in the general murder rate per 100,000 compared to the US in a regression table, you still end up with a statistically significant difference. So no, the deaths are not all shifted to other places.

I'm a firm believer in the 2nd amendment even though I would never ever own a gun. (I feel like if you want people to respect the parts of the bill of rights that I value, I have to respect the ones I don't like) As someone else said though, this situation is hardly a convincing pro-gun argument.
 

magomago

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Fair enough, although I tossed in that last comment in the first paragraph only because I still wasn't positive.

That said I'm glad you are for the 2nd amendment while choosing not to own a gun. I do agree there is no way to say this is an argument for guns ~ one would have to assume that at that location there is a person that is not only carrying a loaded gun, but is in distance to shoot the person, has an accurate shot and is experienced with guns in general.
 

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Personally, I think that taking isolated incidents (like the OP) and saying "this is why CCW is good" or "this is why CCW is bad" is a little ridiculous.
 

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If this had happened in say Texas he might have made it to stabbing one person before he was gunned down and stopped. Good job Japan gun laws keeping them safer.

Wow, very nice!!!! Lets see, What is the current crime rate in Texas compared to Japan?
I know this is the time someone will chime in and say you have to consider the population
size? I have been around the world several time and lived in Japan for 16 years. One of the very few places that I didn't have to be constantly worried about my children.

Everyone thinks they have the solution, I would suggest look at your own state first and solve it's problems first.
 

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Japan is gun free because of their culture. We had to order their police to carry firearms after WWII. Which helps contribute to the very low gun crime rate. It isn't about the laws. Its about the cultures
 
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Whats with the Japan hating in this thread?

Its perfectly obvious why Japan has a low rate of crime.

1) The Culture is very orderly and straightforward. Hear about that guy a week ago who had a towel left in him by a Japanese hostpital yet he didn't sue? You can bet in America there would have been 5 years of lawsuits. In japan, adults don't really do that sort of thing

2)As said, there are very few gun deaths in Japan, I really think partialy from a very well enforced gun ban.

3) Why the hell are people trying to enforce their beliefs on Japan? Japan doesnt have the US constitution. Its a differant country, with their own government and values. Japanese values dont emphasize guns. japan is an amazingly safe place to live. I've never seen anyone complain about the Gun ban, because theres really not much that needs to be defended from with lethal force. Amazing isn't it? A country that feels so damn safe, that they don't feel a need to carry a weapon.

America isn't the whole damn country. There are differant ideals elsewhere folks
 
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