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hans007

Lifer
Feb 1, 2000
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ok i am not gonna read all the garbage above since this seems like a troll flamewar.

the 2008 and 2010 altima coupes are more or less the same.

the reason this is not a "deal" is its likely you had to put down say $2500 or $4000 or whatever at lease signing.

if you terminate your lease with no "penalties" that $2500 or $4000 is not spread out over the normally longer lease period, so they are totally screwing you.

I would assume if you leased a new one you'd have ot put down the "cash due at signing" again. so its a terrible deal.

Also here is my opinion on leasing (my friend who is a moron leased a C350 mercedes for $33k for 48months including tax, when buying one was 38k+tax 3.9% over 60 months so i have thought about this a lot lately since i have been telling him he's an idiot for a while).

My mom leases a car through my parents business. its a bmw. if the business is profitable its probably an ok idea because of the tax deduction if you can say its for the business.

Now, if you dont own a business....

first off you have to be really careful with leases ince they will screw you over with fees and money factor adjustements. Dealers like to lease to people because there are more numbers and terms involved. More fees and such, so more stuff to slip something in.

Also leases are factored with interest (since they have to borrow money to buy the car to lease to you) now in the case of my friend they factored in basically 7.8% interest which was at the time a typical interest rate on a 5 year car (on a 4 year lease though).

so they factor in higher interest rate than their promo rates for people who are buying and financine to own the car. so already the lease is more expensive because they are factoring in a non promo interest rate, that is for a 48 month loan.

SO... given that, leases are determined by some money down + lease payments = cost of car at negotiated price - residual.

Its possible you can win on this if they do not factor the residual and you do not get screwed on random terms even on a longer lease. A lot of car dealers lost a lot of money when SUVs suddenly stopped being cool and residuals tanked. so they got back a near worthless SUV that they had factored at much higher value on the origina l lease.


so yeah, that said, leases are not horrible deals on a car that holds value well since if the residual is high the monthly lease payments will be lower. so oddly in cases of say a bmw which holds value well (say a 3 series and not a 7 series) if you only want to own a car for say 36-42 months it is not an all together horrible idea if you do your research and dont get scrwed on 5000 random fees that they had adjusted. obviously even better if you own a business, but that isnt really a factor for most people.

Leasing for a non business owner like my friend last year who got fooled badly was IDIOTIC on the other hand. if you leased last year you also could not do the car sales tax deduction. And if you lease this 2010 altima coupe.. you are definitely getting screwed. Don't even think about it. really dont.
 

Bignate603

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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Oh shut the fuck up. I shouldn't even be responding to your trollish post but in case someone actually gives what you say a second thought, I'd just like to point out some things..

Firstly, there is no way I'm going to spend more in modifying my car to save fuel than this guy is going to spend just LEASING his cars.. In one year of this guy leasing his stupid car, he'd already have enough money to buy my car, IN FULL. With the amount of money he spent leasing that car for 3 years, he'd have enough money to buy a car and replace every single part that could possibly fail in that car. Spending $10,800 on a car he doesn't even won't even own.. how stupid is that? After three years, he is left with nothing..why? So that he can say he drives a new car? This guy better not be in his 30s because he should know better by then.


Doing a very quick search, I found this:
http://www.moneycrashers.com/seven-reasons-why-leasing-a-car-is-a-bad-deal/

I can't believe Bignate would go out of his way to discredit me on something I'd figure anyone with a brain would agree with me on.. Either you're just a troll looking to attack me at all angles or you're just as clueless as I fear you to be.. I understand you don't know that it's ok to inflate your tires to sidewall, I do, but that's not excuse not to know leasing is a terrible idea..

Hey Jeff, just remember that with your $350 a month for 39 months, you just spent $13,650 on a car you don't even own.. That's not even including things like maintenance and whatnot. Leasing is basically like living on credit, a terrible idea that will get you NOWHERE in life...

You're comparing your old civic which was an ok but not amazing car for its day which was a decade ago to a brand new car. No one is going to cross shop a brand new altima and a decade old civic. Why? Because either they want something cheap or they want something that's actually nice. A 10 year old economy car just isn't as nice as the brand new midsized car.

Don't kid yourself, replacing every single thing on your car that could break to get it to 100% perfect shape (which it would have to be if you want to compare it to a new car with no problems) would cost more than what he paid on his lease over the life of the lease. Not everyone can or wants to do their own work so you're not just looking at the cost of parts. Engines and transmissions die, CV shafts go, suspensions need to be replaced, window motors or regulators break, radiators leak, etc. The mechanic's bill would be insane. Used cars tend to be cheaper because hopefully not everything dies all at once, but you can never know when you're suddenly going to shell out cash for it.

You're also ignoring the fact that real adults can't have their mom or dad drive them around when their car is in the shop. If their car breaks they can't get to work, which can make them lose serious money. For people that are hourly and earn $50k a year that's almost $200 a day if they can't get to work. Having a car that they know is going to start up every day is worth quite a bit.

As people have repeatedly pointed out, after you look at depreciation a lease isn't a terrible way of doing things if you aren't going to drive it into the ground. To some people driving newer cars is important. If that's what they want a lease is one of the best ways of doing that.

You've already made it quite clear that you're perfectly happy with a decade old civic. Great, I hope you're happy with the decent little car though I'm relatively certain you are going to destroy it in your attempts to 'improve' it. If that's what you want that's fine but don't assume everyone wants the same thing as you do.
 

PhoKingGuy

Diamond Member
Nov 15, 2007
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He's beyond that.

Nothing wrong with leasing a car if that's the route you choose to go.

Exactly, when I leased my GTI I put the money I got from selling my cobalt into a high interest savings account and let it autopay out of that. I got about a month or two free out of it and still had a bit of change left over when it was done. I used the rest on the down payment for my TDI.
 

Jeff7181

Lifer
Aug 21, 2002
18,368
11
81
For those that are interested, it did turn out to be too good to be true. There's a little asterisk next to the thing that says "Dick Scott Nissan will buy your vehicle and terminate your lease/loan agreement, NO matter how many payments are left." Says see dealer for more info.

So I saw the dealer. They wanted to take my '08 Altima Coupe 2.5S that I'm paying $355/mo for and give me the '10 Sentra SR for $350 per month. I told them they're insane, and they said they could get it down to $317... I pointed to the ad and the lady tried to convince me the Sentra is better because it has 4 doors and gets better fuel economy. I laughed at her so she went and got someone else to talk to me. He told me they can't do the $199 price because there's about $4k left to pay on my lease that has to be covered... I continued to argue with him for a few minutes and finally just told him I'm not going to downgrade for the same price and I'm sorry I wasted his time and walked out.
 

ShawnD1

Lifer
May 24, 2003
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For those that are interested, it did turn out to be too good to be true. There's a little asterisk next to the thing that says "Dick Scott Nissan will buy your vehicle and terminate your lease/loan agreement, NO matter how many payments are left." Says see dealer for more info.

I don't know why companies try pulling this. What will happen every time is that people go there, find out it's not what they thought it was, get angry, leave angry, post angry messages online and tell everyone they know.
 

jhu

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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For those that are interested, it did turn out to be too good to be true. There's a little asterisk next to the thing that says "Dick Scott Nissan will buy your vehicle and terminate your lease/loan agreement, NO matter how many payments are left." Says see dealer for more info.

So I saw the dealer. They wanted to take my '08 Altima Coupe 2.5S that I'm paying $355/mo for and give me the '10 Sentra SR for $350 per month. I told them they're insane, and they said they could get it down to $317... I pointed to the ad and the lady tried to convince me the Sentra is better because it has 4 doors and gets better fuel economy. I laughed at her so she went and got someone else to talk to me. He told me they can't do the $199 price because there's about $4k left to pay on my lease that has to be covered... I continued to argue with him for a few minutes and finally just told him I'm not going to downgrade for the same price and I'm sorry I wasted his time and walked out.

Wait a minute. Why did you apologize? They should be apologizing for wasting your time!
 

Jeff7181

Lifer
Aug 21, 2002
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81
Wait a minute. Why did you apologize? They should be apologizing for wasting your time!

He wanted to keep talking... it was my way of politely telling him to stop wasting my time if they're not going to honor their advertisement.
 

jhu

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
11,918
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He wanted to keep talking... it was my way of politely telling him to stop wasting my time if they're not going to honor their advertisement.

I guess so. I would have just told them to stop wasting my time. hehe!
 

Jeff7181

Lifer
Aug 21, 2002
18,368
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I guess so. I would have just told them to stop wasting my time. hehe!

Well, they're having a big event this weekend. We were already having this quite audible discussion right in the middle of the sales floor... I didn't want to be rude, but I was happy that their other potential customers got a chance to hear how they're trying to lure people in with low advertised prices and then saying "oh, well... yeah but... "
 

PhoKingGuy

Diamond Member
Nov 15, 2007
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I guess so. I would have just told them to stop wasting my time. hehe!

I dont even know why dealers pull this shit. Its so fucking annoying to have to deal with idiots who think they're better than you. I've straight got up and walked out or just hung up on salesmen who think they can pull a fast one on you.

It was so refreshing to talk to my VW guy and just have him say I can give it to you for under invoice if you come in. So i went there, had him locate a vehicle, signed the papers and drove off. Couldn't have been easier, I've referred him at least 10 sales by now because of it.
 

Mermaidman

Diamond Member
Sep 4, 2003
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Wait a minute. Why did you apologize? They should be apologizing for wasting your time!
Well--There is apologizing, and then there's saying "Soooooorry" with a head bob and eye-roll.

the reason this is not a "deal" is its likely you had to put down say $2500 or $4000 or whatever at lease signing.
if you terminate your lease with no "penalties" that $2500 or $4000 is not spread out over the normally longer lease period, so they are totally screwing you.

I would assume if you leased a new one you'd have ot put down the "cash due at signing" again. so its a terrible deal.
Good point!
 

Jeff7181

Lifer
Aug 21, 2002
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Well, it's completely understandable from a financial standpoint on their end. The problem I have is their deceptive advertisement. I may just bring this to the attention of the BBB... maybe not... I'm not sure I care enough.
 

ShawnD1

Lifer
May 24, 2003
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It was so refreshing to talk to my VW guy and just have him say I can give it to you for under invoice if you come in. So i went there, had him locate a vehicle, signed the papers and drove off. Couldn't have been easier, I've referred him at least 10 sales by now because of it.
I remember getting the big presentation and test driving a Honda with a guy who liked to talk a hell of a lot. When it came time to deal, he didn't seem too interested in negotiating. I left, came back the next day and bought the car from a sales guy who was a bit more eager to talk.

Being a crappy salesman must work to some extent if these guys manage to keep their jobs.
 

Jeff7181

Lifer
Aug 21, 2002
18,368
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I remember getting the big presentation and test driving a Honda with a guy who liked to talk a hell of a lot. When it came time to deal, he didn't seem too interested in negotiating. I left, came back the next day and bought the car from a sales guy who was a bit more eager to talk.

Being a crappy salesman must work to some extent if these guys manage to keep their jobs.

That's the thing... you HAVE to be willing to walk out if you're going to negotiate with these people. They believe they're such good talkers that as long as they keep you in the building, they can talk you into spending money... and they often can.

It's no wonder so many people come into a dealership with a certain amount of hostility.
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
70,150
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I got one of these in the mail today saying my local dealership is buying back 1996-2007 vehicles. I have a 2000 maxima. They said no early lease or finance termination fees. I haven't owed money on the car in years. They say I can probably make the exchange to a 2010 CPO vehicle with little or no out of pocket and monthly payments to fit my budget, whoo hoo!

I doubt I'll be doing anything with this

I got a personalized website too, myname.nissanincentive.com. I just plugged in the info for my vehicle but said to contact by email and not call me on phone. I doubt I'll get anything.
 
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Shingi

Senior member
Oct 7, 2000
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HELLO Ladies,

Whats the problem here eh. I hope while you're holding your dick and explaining yourselfs you remember the old notion that says " DO WHAT MAKES YOU HAPPY". If it makes you happy then there can be no wrong done. That is of course until you screw yourself in a deep finiancial shithole that you can't get out off. um, excuse the language there ladies we are all adults. It's kind of saying what you can't see doesn't hurt; immediately at least. Try standing on the street and close your eyes and see if that hurts. Hope you're still alive to tell if that hurts. Anyway point being Leasing for average dummies is bad, but you only live once so if it makes you happy I say it's absfuckinglutely right to have it your way, just don't complain when you're screwed that is if you get screwed (not everone get screwed, only the screworthy gets it). On the other hand if I was pulling 10k a month and my expense is only like 4-5k Hell, I'll lease a limo and I'll still be fine.

Keep an eye on those debt to income ratio. and keep your balls in you pants, and your nesteggs(retirement funds) filled to the brink of explosion and you will be fine.

Shingi
 

fleabag

Banned
Oct 1, 2007
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HELLO Ladies,

Whats the problem here eh. I hope while you're holding your dick and explaining yourselfs you remember the old notion that says " DO WHAT MAKES YOU HAPPY". If it makes you happy then there can be no wrong done. That is of course until you screw yourself in a deep finiancial shithole that you can't get out off. um, excuse the language there ladies we are all adults. It's kind of saying what you can't see doesn't hurt; immediately at least. Try standing on the street and close your eyes and see if that hurts. Hope you're still alive to tell if that hurts. Anyway point being Leasing for average dummies is bad, but you only live once so if it makes you happy I say it's absfuckinglutely right to have it your way, just don't complain when you're screwed that is if you get screwed (not everone get screwed, only the screworthy gets it). On the other hand if I was pulling 10k a month and my expense is only like 4-5k Hell, I'll lease a limo and I'll still be fine.

Keep an eye on those debt to income ratio. and keep your balls in you pants, and your nesteggs(retirement funds) filled to the brink of explosion and you will be fine.

Shingi
only worthy post of the thread.
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
70,150
5
0
HELLO Ladies,

Whats the problem here eh. I hope while you're holding your dick and explaining yourselfs you remember the old notion that says " DO WHAT MAKES YOU HAPPY". If it makes you happy then there can be no wrong done. That is of course until you screw yourself in a deep finiancial shithole that you can't get out off. um, excuse the language there ladies we are all adults. It's kind of saying what you can't see doesn't hurt; immediately at least. Try standing on the street and close your eyes and see if that hurts. Hope you're still alive to tell if that hurts. Anyway point being Leasing for average dummies is bad, but you only live once so if it makes you happy I say it's absfuckinglutely right to have it your way, just don't complain when you're screwed that is if you get screwed (not everone get screwed, only the screworthy gets it). On the other hand if I was pulling 10k a month and my expense is only like 4-5k Hell, I'll lease a limo and I'll still be fine.

Keep an eye on those debt to income ratio. and keep your balls in you pants, and your nesteggs(retirement funds) filled to the brink of explosion and you will be fine.

Shingi
I enjoyed it. You kind of remind of Johnofsheffield of P&N. Very caustic but mean no harm. You should post more in the garage.
 

PhoKingGuy

Diamond Member
Nov 15, 2007
4,685
0
76
HELLO Ladies,

Whats the problem here eh. I hope while you're holding your dick and explaining yourselfs you remember the old notion that says " DO WHAT MAKES YOU HAPPY". If it makes you happy then there can be no wrong done. That is of course until you screw yourself in a deep finiancial shithole that you can't get out off. um, excuse the language there ladies we are all adults. It's kind of saying what you can't see doesn't hurt; immediately at least. Try standing on the street and close your eyes and see if that hurts. Hope you're still alive to tell if that hurts. Anyway point being Leasing for average dummies is bad, but you only live once so if it makes you happy I say it's absfuckinglutely right to have it your way, just don't complain when you're screwed that is if you get screwed (not everone get screwed, only the screworthy gets it). On the other hand if I was pulling 10k a month and my expense is only like 4-5k Hell, I'll lease a limo and I'll still be fine.

Keep an eye on those debt to income ratio. and keep your balls in you pants, and your nesteggs(retirement funds) filled to the brink of explosion and you will be fine.

Shingi

You should meet that guy who tried to fuck his engine up to get a new one
 
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