Too much Thermal Grease???

[Diasper]

Try loading the cpu (prime 95 torture test) for half an hour to warm the thermal paste up and less like glue.

Don't worry, things'll be fine - just careful about doing it again because given laws of probability...

 

[Bobthelost]

Get someone who knows what they are doing to help you out.

 

[LiquidImpulse]

Originally posted by: Diasper
Try loading the cpu (prime 95 torture test) for half an hour to warm the thermal paste up and less like glue.

Don't worry, things'll be fine - just careful about doing it again because given laws of probability...

this comp doesnt even an OS loaded on it yet, btw, this one is not the one listed in SIG, it is a amd 3200+, with only 1 7800GT,and kingston value ram. It's my dads. The OC'ing on my previous one was done by my dads co-worker and i dont plan on OC'ing. When i get the OS (Microsoft XP x64) loaded, ill be sure to try and heat the processor up and then try removing it.

 

[Diasper]

Well in that case you can always try a hair dryer at a hot temperature..

Might not be as successful but might work...

 

[Powermoloch]

you should have went researching...

 

[Yianaki]

3/4 of a tube that's hilarious. I giggle every time I read it! I spend a half hour spreading arctic silver with a plastic toothpick on an oh so thin layer. Why didn't I just dump the whole bottle on the CPU and be done with. The thermal grease is not as good a conductor as your heatsink it is used to fill the microscopic cracks between the two. Less is more. A huge golb is actually worse.

I just use tapwater, toilet paper, and ivory bar soap. Works fer me every time. No hard water stains yet :>

I don't get it you lifted the pry bar keeping the processor locked and you can't carefully remove the chip with your fingers??? How could the grease be keeping the CPU on the motherboard?

The thing that upsets me the most when removing the heatsink is that oftentimes when I havn't run the computer when I remove the heatsink it will also pull up the CPU and slightly bend the pins depending on the motherboard. Then I slightly bend them back. I am worried if I warm up the CPU that the cpu pins will really bend and I won't be able to fix em. Any kind of grease or whatnot that doesn't keep a death grip on the CPU that is a descent heat conductor?

You can use memtest it runs its own OS to test memory should heat things up. Heck at idle on your bios screen your cpu should be at like 100f.

 

[Unkno]

hair dryer...works EVERY time

 

[hydravien1]

hair drier or heat gun should warm it up. if not, stick it upside down in oven at like 60c for 10 mins or so...

read directions on stuff like that, but this is funny

 

[LiquidImpulse]

Im glad you got a kick out of this, but the things is, even after pulling the lever ALL THE WAY vertically, the CPU STIILLL will not come out
its like its got the pins are deathgripped to the motherboard or something

 

[Aversio]

Sucks bro, but I gotta say, better you than me!

 

[RBauer]

did the compond overflow to drip down the side of the cpu and under to glue the cpu in its socket or what? just clean that crap off of it in place if need be as long as it still fucntions f it

 

[Yianaki]

Yeah I don't know how you can be getting it stuck? Is the CPU lever malfunctioning? Is there any movement like forward when you raise the lever? Is it actually not letting go of the pins or have you totally gummed it up sooo bad it seeped into the socket? You are probably going to have to put a blowdrier to it so it gets soft if it is stuck in the pins. Then lower and raise the cpu bar so it gets loose. Don't put the hairdrier on real high as it could probably melt plastic. Least some can. Test it on yer hand make sure it's hot just not melt plastic hot.

 

[hydravien1]

 

[hydravien1]

just heat it up a bit and stick a screw driver in there (gentally) and pry it out. or stick it in the oven as i said before. upside down to the grease wont drip into the socket. otherwise, im afraid your SOL

 

[LiquidImpulse]

Originally posted by: RBauer
did the compond overflow to drip down the side of the cpu and under to glue the cpu in its socket or what? just clean that crap off of it in place if need be as long as it still fucntions f it

THATS exactly what i was thinking, hopefully it BETTER not be it

 

[kainthelongshot]

I don't think its really that funny. . . Do try to read the instructions next time.

Ok, personally if the lever is all the way up, its a pin engagement issue. Thermal grease (if its AS) doesn't dry nor does it have any adheasive properties, so even if it is in the pins (god forbid), it shouldn't do anything to jam the pins. Yeah you can argue with me about the adheasiveness. But let me ask you this, if LiquidImpulse knew the error of his ways almost upon immediatetly booting up he may have had it powered for say 15 min max. There should be no time for the paste to even set let alone dry and stick. Although the additional heat can cause the grease to aquire a liquid like properties and flow into harder to reach areas. It should require zero force for you to remove the CPU, using a screw driver alone tells you something is wrong underneath. Are you sure you mounted the heatsink correctly? I.E. you didnt' twist, shove, grunt, push the cpu or the heatsink into place? Odds are, I think there is a bent pin or the pin holder it self is at fault. Thats how I see it. Applying some heat my help, but ultimately you going to have to do some grunting and pull that sucker out. Just be real careful when you do.

There is some good news. There is a site and guy that can fix pins off a cpu in such a case (if that is the case).

http://www.motherboardrepair.com/index.php?sec=home

He has worked in the military doing this stuff so I think he knows a thing or too. There are people on mulitple forums that swear by this guy. Treat this only as a worst case senario. Also he may be a great reference, ask him what he thinks you should do. Or, frak just send the darn thing to him, pay him the 50 bucks to fix it and never speak of this again.

A couple of things before pulling this thing out:

Check to make sure the mechanism is disengaged. The lever may be up but the mechanism it works with my not. Double check this.
Apply some heat to see if that may help (multiple people have suggested this, so i won't reiterate)
Use a small non magnetic tool (like a tweezer or a small flat head screwdrive, the kind you use to fix glasses) to gently pry one corner
Check each corner and see where the hang up might be. (My guess, its a set of corner or edge pins that are not letting go even if the lever is up)
If you got a chip puller (don't ask me the scientific term, its used to pull IC's in circuit boards), use it to pull straight up. "Gently" Apply as little force as possible. You can get this tool at any radio shack, get something large enough to grip both sides of the CPU.

Please someone confirm my logic before Liquid proceeds. (I'm tired and my spelling has grown quite attrocious)

Best case senario: The pins are freed up or you got a few bent pins and lot of thermal goop in the cpu holder.
Worst case senario: You rip out a section of pins and have to get the cpu and the motherboard serviced by the guy at the link i provided above.

Either way, it aint going to be pretty. Best of luck and do let us know how it goes. Also pics would be awesome.

 

[Hard Ball]

Originally posted by: LiquidImpulse
Im glad you got a kick out of this, but the things is, even after pulling the lever ALL THE WAY vertically, the CPU STIILLL will not come out
its like its got the pins are deathgripped to the motherboard or something

OK, let's get this straight,

Is your HSF assembly removed from CPU IHS itself; or do you still have the HSF stuck to the top of the CPU? This would make a very large difference in how we can recommend you to proceed. I still don't know which it is from reading the entire thread.

AS doesn't usually cause damage, unless you somehow get it onto the mobo or something. It's pretty difficult for some to get inside the socket pin-holes. But then again, you probably set the record on how much AS5 has been placed on a single IHS.

 

[LiquidImpulse]

Originally posted by: kainthelongshot
I don't think its really that funny. . . Do try to read the instructions next time.

Ok, personally if the lever is all the way up, its a pin engagement issue. Thermal grease (if its AS) doesn't dry nor does it have any adheasive properties, so even if it is in the pins (god forbid), it shouldn't do anything to jam the pins. Yeah you can argue with me about the adheasiveness. But let me ask you this, if LiquidImpulse knew the error of his ways almost upon immediatetly booting up he may have had it powered for say 15 min max. There should be no time for the paste to even set let alone dry and stick. Although the additional heat can cause the grease to aquire a liquid like properties and flow into harder to reach areas. It should require zero force for you to remove the CPU, using a screw driver alone tells you something is wrong underneath. Are you sure you mounted the heatsink correctly? I.E. you didnt' twist, shove, grunt, push the cpu or the heatsink into place? Odds are, I think there is a bent pin or the pin holder it self is at fault. Thats how I see it. Applying some heat my help, but ultimately you going to have to do some grunting and pull that sucker out. Just be real careful when you do.

There is some good news. There is a site and guy that can fix pins off a cpu in such a case (if that is the case).

http://www.motherboardrepair.com/index.php?sec=home

He has worked in the military doing this stuff so I think he knows a thing or too. There are people on mulitple forums that swear by this guy. Treat this only as a worst case senario. Also he may be a great reference, ask him what he thinks you should do. Or, frak just send the darn thing to him, pay him the 50 bucks to fix it and never speak of this again.

A couple of things before pulling this thing out:

Check to make sure the mechanism is disengaged. The lever may be up but the mechanism it works with my not. Double check this.
Apply some heat to see if that may help (multiple people have suggested this, so i won't reiterate)
Use a small non magnetic tool (like a tweezer or a small flat head screwdrive, the kind you use to fix glasses) to gently pry one corner
Check each corner and see where the hang up might be. (My guess, its a set of corner or edge pins that are not letting go even if the lever is up)
If you got a chip puller (don't ask me the scientific term, its used to pull IC's in circuit boards), use it to pull straight up. "Gently" Apply as little force as possible. You can get this tool at any radio shack, get something large enough to grip both sides of the CPU.

Please someone confirm my logic before Liquid proceeds. (I'm tired and my spelling has grown quite attrocious)

Best case senario: The pins are freed up or you got a few bent pins and lot of thermal goop in the cpu holder.
Worst case senario: You rip out a section of pins and have to get the cpu and the motherboard serviced by the guy at the link i provided above.

Either way, it aint going to be pretty. Best of luck and do let us know how it goes. Also pics would be awesome.

kudso for your reply and...yes the heatsink did require some force to attach so...

Originally posted by: Hard Ball

Originally posted by: LiquidImpulse
Im glad you got a kick out of this, but the things is, even after pulling the lever ALL THE WAY vertically, the CPU STIILLL will not come out
its like its got the pins are deathgripped to the motherboard or something

OK, let's get this straight,

Is your HSF assembly removed from CPU IHS itself; or do you still have the HSF stuck to the top of the CPU? This would make a very large difference in how we can recommend you to proceed. I still don't know which it is from reading the entire thread.

AS doesn't usually cause damage, unless you somehow get it onto the mobo or something. It's pretty difficult for some to get inside the socket pin-holes. But then again, you probably set the record on how much AS5 has been placed on a single IHS.

yes, i have removed the HSF already, originally it was stuck, but it took some good-ol muscle to twist it off. also, the only reason why i dont think it would have got into the socket pin-holes is, A. the thermal paste had only a tad bit along the circumference of the processor which could of easily wiped off, and B.the processor still IS functioning, it is able to boot up and load onto the windows x64 setup screen so im assuming it still works. Maybe it would be less hassle if i just leave it there to aviod further damage?

 

[alfa147x]

Originally posted by: thegimp03
Rubbing alcohol is your friend.

 

[Aversio]

...the processor still IS functioning, it is able to boot up and load onto the windows x64 setup screen so im assuming it still works. Maybe it would be less hassle if i just leave it there to aviod further damage?

Seems like an easy decision to me.
Clean it up, and apply the paste again, instal hsf.
kick yourself in the balls, and consider yourself lucky.
No, seriously, I mean it.

 

[crazylegs]

Dude i would kill to see sum pics of what you did....

 

[Serpentor]

Not to threadjack, but is it actually harmful to not clean and reapply thermal compound when you remove/reapply the heatsink? (in terms of CPU life/longevity). I switched mobo's early on and kept the same stock AMD thermal pad on the CPU. I know it's recommended to reapply, but I didn't have any rubbing alcohol on hand at the time, and temps and max speeds were unchanged. I'm just concerned (perhaps unnecessarily so) that all the microscopic lint I introduced to the seal are slowly cooking away the thermal pad.

 

[Hard Ball]

Originally posted by: Serpentor
Not to threadjack, but is it actually harmful to not clean and reapply thermal compound when you remove/reapply the heatsink? (in terms of CPU life/longevity). I switched mobo's early on and kept the same stock AMD thermal pad on the CPU. I know it's recommended to reapply, but I didn't have any rubbing alcohol on hand at the time, and temps and max speeds were unchanged. I'm just concerned (perhaps unnecessarily so) that all the microscopic lint I introduced to the seal are slowly cooking away the thermal pad.

Usually it would be much better to reapply. The main thing is that when you separate the seal between the HSF and the IHS, the you introduced a lot of irregularities in on the surface of the thermal grease. If you don't clean and reapply, many microscopic air bubbles will still reside in the layer of thermal grease; so essentially it would cut down on the amount of surface area in contact with the IHS. You really need to do it right, and clean up with isopropyl solution, and reapply; it's not that much trouble, and it's not worth having to deal with thermal issues later on, in order to avoid it now.

 

[Hard Ball]

Originally posted by: LiquidImpulse

yes, i have removed the HSF already, originally it was stuck, but it took some good-ol muscle to twist it off. also, the only reason why i dont think it would have got into the socket pin-holes is, A. the thermal paste had only a tad bit along the circumference of the processor which could of easily wiped off, and B.the processor still IS functioning, it is able to boot up and load onto the windows x64 setup screen so im assuming it still works. Maybe it would be less hassle if i just leave it there to aviod further damage?

Yeah, my best bet would be then, that your ZIF lock was not fully disengaged when you were trying to remove the CPU. For the ZIF lock lever, the last bit of movement will take a little force (not excessive force); and the final angle of the level should be about slightly past 90 degrees (around 100) from the fully closed position for most sockets. Did you hear audible "clicl" when you unlocked the lever, or is it at least at 90 degrees from the fully locked position; if not, then the CPU pins are still locked in the socket. And you should see the socket along with the chip move a little laterally, the same direction that you are pushing the lock.

At this point, as others suggested, you may just want to reapply AS5, with the maximum size being a blob the size of a dime on the IHS. And if it runs, then your CPU is still good. You should be fine as long as the grease did not get on the under side fo the CPU, or on the motherboard. I personally would remove everything and check to make sure. But if you are uncomfortable with that, you just let it run as it is, and get someone else who's experienced at this to check it for you and reinstall the HSF at some point in the near future.

--HB

 

[Conky]

I wanna see pics too!