Took my car to Brainerd International Raceway this weekend

Page 2 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.
Feb 10, 2000
30,029
66
91
Originally posted by: thescreensavers
I do have a small track about 50 miles north of me. Its like a 1 minute course, I don't know if they changed it.

But I dont have a helmet! How much are they?

I think most courses will let you use a motorcycle helmet, which is almost identical and much cheaper (my understanding is that an auto racing helmet is required to resist igniting in a fire for some fixed number of seconds, a requirement that doesn't apply to motorcycle helmets). You can buy a motorcycle helmet for well under $100.

I bought a car racing helmet just to be on the safe side. I paid $275 for a Bell Mag 5, a lightweight open-face helmet, on closeout. You can definitely find cheaper helmets (you can find a Bell Sport helmet for around $200, for example), but I wanted a nice light one and preferred an open design since I wear glasses.

Whatever helmet you buy, make sure to buy one certified by Snell for the year 2005 (the most current road certification is SA2005). I believe the certifications only last ten years, so if you buy a year-2000 certified helmet, you can only use it for one more year.
 

helpme

Diamond Member
Feb 6, 2000
3,090
0
0
I'm glad that enough GT-R owners are making it out to the track. Here's a picture of one coming over the corkscrew from a wet day at laguna seca. He was there with a group of 4 GT-Rs.

http://iidx.smugmug.com/photos/507952390_8quhC-X2.jpg

I think the rarest car I have seen actually being driven on the track is a Carrera GT. Sadly I don't have any pictures of it since I didn't have my camera at that point (it was some time in late 2007.
 
Feb 10, 2000
30,029
66
91
Originally posted by: hiromizu
That leading Mini Cooper with the driver in a helmet pic is funny as heck.

How come? We were all required to wear helmets.

Actually that guy went off the track right in front of me on one occasion - fortunately I didn't follow him!
 

AMCRambler

Diamond Member
Jan 23, 2001
7,701
26
91
This may be a dumb question, but did you get any extra insurance to cover you should you go off the track and flip? I'm pretty sure you're boned if you total your car at a race track.
 
Feb 10, 2000
30,029
66
91
Originally posted by: AMCRambler
This may be a dumb question, but did you get any extra insurance to cover you should you go off the track and flip? I'm pretty sure you're boned if you total your car at a race track.

Not a dumb question at all, particularly since this car went off at high speed and rolled several times. (In fairness to the Club I think this was only the second accident in the several years they've been holding this event). As an attorney I am very cognizant of these kinds of risks, and wouldn't be comfortable risking my car without insurance.

The BMW Car Club of America has a relationship with an insurance company that sells coverage for these weekends - I think for my car (worth around $30K according to KBB) it would have been $180 for a two-day event. I was actually planning to buy it, but I called my own insurer, USAA, just to see if it was necessary. I explained that this was a non-timed, non-competitive driving school (the Club is adamant about that, and they actually insist that if your car is equipped with a lap timer - e.g., a 911 with the Sport Chrono package - you must cover it up), but that it would be held on a racetrack and that there might be significant speeds involved. The guy I talked to checked with his supervisor, and they agreed I would be fully covered, since this was in no sense a race.

USAA is the best insurance company in the industry, and I have no idea whether others would follow the same logic. Honestly if I were insured by some companies (Progressive being one) I probably wouldn't trust their reassurances, and would buy track-day insurance anyway.
 

Viper GTS

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
38,107
433
136
Progressive explicitly does not cover any event that happens on a surface intended for racing. I paid for a supplementary policy covering one day only, ran me about $80 for everything ($55 of which was the actual insurance premium). It helps that my car isn't worth a lot.

One picture for now:

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/ViperGTS/DSC_0366.JPG

It was raining off and on and at times the track was quite wet but we ran anyway. The biggest thing I learned is that my car is capable of much more than I am willing to ask of it (so far anyway). Then again it's hard to know how much you can ask when the corners have puddles...

Viper GTS
 

Arkaign

Lifer
Oct 27, 2006
20,736
1,377
126
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Progressive explicitly does not cover any event that happens on a surface intended for racing. I paid for a supplementary policy covering one day only, ran me about $80 for everything ($55 of which was the actual insurance premium). It helps that my car isn't worth a lot.

One picture for now:

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/ViperGTS/DSC_0366.JPG

It was raining off and on and at times the track was quite wet but we ran anyway. The biggest thing I learned is that my car is capable of much more than I am willing to ask of it (so far anyway). Then again it's hard to know how much you can ask when the corners have puddles...

Viper GTS

Heh, that always amazed me, how on Top Gear (it apparently rains constantly in England) the Stig would go out and put down a whopping good time in the wet.

I'm a fairly experienced driver, and I've tracked more than a few cars, but one thing I'm very conservative about is driving in the wet. I simply can't bring myself to push it whatsoever in inclement weather.
 

helpme

Diamond Member
Feb 6, 2000
3,090
0
0
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Progressive explicitly does not cover any event that happens on a surface intended for racing. I paid for a supplementary policy covering one day only, ran me about $80 for everything ($55 of which was the actual insurance premium). It helps that my car isn't worth a lot.

One picture for now:

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/ViperGTS/DSC_0366.JPG

It was raining off and on and at times the track was quite wet but we ran anyway. The biggest thing I learned is that my car is capable of much more than I am willing to ask of it (so far anyway). Then again it's hard to know how much you can ask when the corners have puddles...

Viper GTS

Heh, that always amazed me, how on Top Gear (it apparently rains constantly in England) the Stig would go out and put down a whopping good time in the wet.

I'm a fairly experienced driver, and I've tracked more than a few cars, but one thing I'm very conservative about is driving in the wet. I simply can't bring myself to push it whatsoever in inclement weather.

The rain isn't so bad to drive in as long as you have the right tires. You MAY have to modify your line depending on how long it has been raining. I don't have a hard time in the rain, however, being a front wheel drive car with understeer at the limit, it is much eaiser to push it.

I do hate it when it is raining on only part of the track, or if the rain starts and stops during a session.
 

thecoolnessrune

Diamond Member
Jun 8, 2005
9,673
580
126
I'm going to take my old Ford Bronco to a track someday just for kicks!

Maybe I should put a roll-cage in it first
 

DarkThinker

Platinum Member
Mar 17, 2007
2,822
0
0
Does one's insurance policy cover such events?? OR is there a special policy for the club and it's members?
 
Feb 10, 2000
30,029
66
91
Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Does one's insurance policy cover such events?? OR is there a special policy for the club and it's members?

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

The BMW Car Club of America has a relationship with an insurance company that sells coverage for these weekends - I think for my car (worth around $30K according to KBB) it would have been $180 for a two-day event. I was actually planning to buy it, but I called my own insurer, USAA, just to see if it was necessary. I explained that this was a non-timed, non-competitive driving school (the Club is adamant about that, and they actually insist that if your car is equipped with a lap timer - e.g., a 911 with the Sport Chrono package - you must cover it up), but that it would be held on a racetrack and that there might be significant speeds involved. The guy I talked to checked with his supervisor, and they agreed I would be fully covered, since this was in no sense a race.

USAA is the best insurance company in the industry, and I have no idea whether others would follow the same logic. Honestly if I were insured by some companies (Progressive being one) I probably wouldn't trust their reassurances, and would buy track-day insurance anyway.

 
Feb 10, 2000
30,029
66
91
Originally posted by: kevman
That last picture is really awesome! Your car looks good!

Thanks, dude! I believe that picture was taken in the middle of a long right turn, hence the tire-fender gap - it doesn't look that large when the car is parked.
 

Koing

Elite Member <br> Super Moderator<br> Health and F
Oct 11, 2000
17,090
2
0
Originally posted by: helpme
Originally posted by: Koing
Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Originally posted by: Koing

Koing

Do any of you guys feel 'f0cked' by the time you have done 5/6 laps? I know I do? I don't even drive to the track in the morning as they are usually 2-3hrs away. I go the night before and stay somewhere near.

Koing

Yeah, that 2-3 hour drive the morning of is a killer (gotta get to sleep real early ).

Depending on the track, I usually need to have a break if I am on for more than 30 minutes. It also depends if I am trying to set a fast lap, or am dealing with traffic.

One of the local clubs basically lets you get unlimited track time. I've run 70 laps in one day at Thunderhill (3 mi) in 100F weather, and was so beat up afterwards...

When I run with that group, since track time is not an issue, I tend to stay out longer if I see my times being consistent each lap, or getting faster each lap. If I am getting erratic or stuck in traffic, I will pull in for a break. Usually I will take off by 3 pm since track time is not an issue.

More power to you mate! My lack of experience and adrenaline pumping too hard is probably the biggest cause for me to get so smashed up mentally. I've never felt anything so fatiguing in my entire life. The concentration just beats up on me. But I guess over time I'll relax more and 'become one with the car' and feel less beat up.

Trackt ime is about 3.5hrs before lunch and then 3.5hrs after lunch. Oh yeah I also noticed that people tend to either get too cocky or get sluggish and run off wide more often for the 30mins directly after lunch LOL.

I'm strictly 5-6laps for my own safety and for the car which is completely stock. But I'm sure the car can do more, I'm just smashed by then.

Koing
 

Koing

Elite Member <br> Super Moderator<br> Health and F
Oct 11, 2000
17,090
2
0
Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Originally posted by: AMCRambler
This may be a dumb question, but did you get any extra insurance to cover you should you go off the track and flip? I'm pretty sure you're boned if you total your car at a race track.

Not a dumb question at all, particularly since this car went off at high speed and rolled several times. (In fairness to the Club I think this was only the second accident in the several years they've been holding this event). As an attorney I am very cognizant of these kinds of risks, and wouldn't be comfortable risking my car without insurance.

The BMW Car Club of America has a relationship with an insurance company that sells coverage for these weekends - I think for my car (worth around $30K according to KBB) it would have been $180 for a two-day event. I was actually planning to buy it, but I called my own insurer, USAA, just to see if it was necessary. I explained that this was a non-timed, non-competitive driving school (the Club is adamant about that, and they actually insist that if your car is equipped with a lap timer - e.g., a 911 with the Sport Chrono package - you must cover it up), but that it would be held on a racetrack and that there might be significant speeds involved. The guy I talked to checked with his supervisor, and they agreed I would be fully covered, since this was in no sense a race.

USAA is the best insurance company in the industry, and I have no idea whether others would follow the same logic. Honestly if I were insured by some companies (Progressive being one) I probably wouldn't trust their reassurances, and would buy track-day insurance anyway.

No insurance company will cover anything crashed on a 'race' track even if your 'only doing a non timed track day' or the 'nurburgring' specifically

I've just gone on the days without insurance and I'm careful to not go too crazy on the bank with the barrier that close to me. Still a lot of fun!

Koing
 
Feb 10, 2000
30,029
66
91
Originally posted by: Koing

No insurance company will cover anything crashed on a 'race' track even if your 'only doing a non timed track day' or the 'nurburgring' specifically

I've just gone on the days without insurance and I'm careful to not go too crazy on the bank with the barrier that close to me. Still a lot of fun!

Koing

I think things may be different in the States. As I said, my insurer specifically agreed it would cover this event (but in fairness, this was a driving school rather than an ordinary track day), and there are a number of specialty insurance companies here that sell track-day insurance. As for actual racing, I have no idea but it has certainly always been my understanding that insurers do not cover it.
 

Kadarin

Lifer
Nov 23, 2001
44,303
15
81
Very nice pics! Driving school at a track is something that I'd like to do at some point.
 

w00t

Diamond Member
Nov 5, 2004
5,545
0
0
wait till you get hooked

pretty soon you will want to buy a track car

I drive at track events about once a month

future easy upgrades you should do:
upgrade you tire compound ( something in the 200-300 treadwear )
get some street/track brake pads
replace your brake fluid with some high temp stuff

have fun
 

Viper GTS

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
38,107
433
136
My Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta tires say they're rated at 280 treadwear, does that count? I did put in Motul RBF600 prior to the event so I've got that covered for the immediate future.

I'm a little lost on pads though I'm sure I'll have to address that the next time I go and the track is dry.

Viper GTS
 

helpme

Diamond Member
Feb 6, 2000
3,090
0
0
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
My Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta tires say they're rated at 280 treadwear, does that count? I did put in Motul RBF600 prior to the event so I've got that covered for the immediate future.

I'm a little lost on pads though I'm sure I'll have to address that the next time I go and the track is dry.

Viper GTS

Wow, Motul! I still use ATE super blue / typ 200 (about 50% the cost of Motul), and flush it every couple events when it's really hot (100F days).

When you are still starting out on track days, almost any tire will do. However, once whatever you had wears out it is a good idea to buy tires that have track use in mind (if you plan to continue track events). Some all season or cheap summer tires will "chunk", and actually have chunks of the tread rip off under track use if used at full tread depth.

Some examples of affordable summer tires that are great on the track are the Bridgestone RE-11 and Dunlop Direzza sport Z1 star spec (there are plenty of choices out there). Don't worry about upgrading the tires when you are still learning.

You will not need to even consider R-compound (NITTO NT-01, Michelin pilot sport cup, etc) or slick tires (hoosier R6, etc) until you have a lot of seat time. Even then, today's street tires can still provide an excellent level of grip and life on the track without the cost and trouble of slicks.

Anyway, as far as pads, street pads are generally not good enough for track use. Pads vary in a few ways, but operating temperatures and coef of friction are the main attributes you care about.

Brake pads are probably the first upgrade you should consider (before tires, sway bars, suspension and def power upgrades). Brake pads that provide high levels of stopping force will give you confidence and allow you to focus on the line, rather than how much your brakes are fading after each lap.

Street pads may have good enough stopping power, but aren't made to handle the high heat that comes with repeated high speed stops. Once you overheat them, you will get pad fade and less braking power. If you keep driving after they overheat, they could eventually fail.

Semi-race pads have a higher heat celing, and higher coefficent of friction (more stopping power). These will typically allow you to drive on the street just fine (they operate OK when cold), and give you OK performance on the track for lower speeds. An example of semi-race pads are the Hawk HP+

Race pads have an even higher heat celing, but also do not work as well at cold temperatures (IE street use). These typically even have more stopping power than semi race-pads, but there are always selections of compounds for your specific car weight. A lot of times, race pads can overcome the amount of grip that street tires have. An example of race pads are Hawk HT-10 or DTC-70.

As w00t said, once you get hooked it's all over
 

w00t

Diamond Member
Nov 5, 2004
5,545
0
0
r-compounds will hide beginner mistakes too

helpme I'm jealous of the tracks you've been able to drive

not jealous of the neon though ( had to do it :lol: )
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |