Well you mention you moved... and I know you don't like LI, I want to know where's better, for consideration. We're thinking VA/MD as good options. And where'd you move from exactly?
Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
Originally posted by: rh71
where'd you move to & from?
why?
Originally posted by: Fayd
Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
Originally posted by: her209
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_1...935750000P?vName=Tools
is this really necessary?
would it be redundant to have standard sockets + flex, when i could just get flex and use them in all situations?
you try using a flex "in all situations".
you're gonna get your ass in the car and drive to sears to pick up a standard set.
btw, to the op, i recommend waiting till sears has a nice sale going on, then buying a good assortment of tools. reason i recommend craftsman is they're relatively cheap, and have lifetime warranty. even if you snap the tool due to misuse, it's still covered. bring it in, they replace it NQA.
things you'll want:
dikes (small and large)
pliers (needle nose and larger)
forceps
crescent wrenches
C-clamps
quick-clamps
screwdriver set (0-3 phillips and standard)
torx set
assorted other screwdriver sets
mini-screwdrivers set (jewelers?)
socket set
metric socket set
a multimeter
a soldering iron (well, you may not want one, i'd be lost w/o this)
wire strippers(Ideal stripmasters... best wire strippers ever.)
cordless drill (18v line!)
corded drill (get a heavy duty one.. use this for jobs like stirring paint.)
drill bit set (buy an assortment here)
down the line, you're gonna end up needing some hole saws as well
in addition to the socket sets, you're gonna want:
a breaker bar for every standard
a speeder wrench for every standard
a torque wrench for every standard (preferably the one that detents, instead of the bending bar one)
a deep socket for whatever your car's spark plugs are in. or maybe just a deep socket set.
and the obvious... ball peen hammer, claw hammer, rubber mallet, 8 lb sledge.. drywall saw, coping saw, hacksaw (few blades for each), a few chisels...
well, that'll get you started.
Originally posted by: Elbryn
no offense to the name brand folks here but for us weekend warriors whats the point of getting a good name brand? i'd rather go to harbor freight and get the cheap knock off tool for that weekend's of work. it'll probably be a couple of years before i run into another project that will need that tool anyway. if it dont work then, i'll go get another cheapie tool. i can probably get 3,4,5 cheap tools versus the brand name? if you're in construction and use your tools daily, get the good stuff. us guys with projects every once in awhile dont need it. this all changes if there is a clearance name brand tool that gets into the right price range however.
Originally posted by: Elbryn
no offense to the name brand folks here but for us weekend warriors whats the point of getting a good name brand? i'd rather go to harbor freight and get the cheap knock off tool for that weekend's of work. it'll probably be a couple of years before i run into another project that will need that tool anyway. if it dont work then, i'll go get another cheapie tool. i can probably get 3,4,5 cheap tools versus the brand name? if you're in construction and use your tools daily, get the good stuff. us guys with projects every once in awhile dont need it. this all changes if there is a clearance name brand tool that gets into the right price range however.
Originally posted by: geno
Elbryn, weekender or not, wait until you break a tool you absolutely need before you finish up the job and see how frustrated you get I'm not saying everyone has to buy Snap-On, but the dirt cheap stuff you find at Autozone and the like can save you a few pennies but cost you a lot of headaches. I'm sure there are a lot of tools at HF which will work just fine for years, abused or not, just be wary of cheap tools is all I'm saying.
it's like getting a nice set of kitchen knives. why not spend a little more for something that will last a lifetime, or longer? and something you'll enjoy using that makes doing your work easier? cheap tools need constant replacement; you'll spend $ but have nothing to show for it. and they just feel like crap in your hands. have you ever used cheap tools and compare it with quality tools?
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Cheap tools have gotten better, but there are still many not even made with hardened steel.
The main problem with a broken tool (even the cheapest have lifetime warranties usually but you have to mail them in) is your project is stopped or worse that break causes collateral damage.
Most of the big store/stanley are plenty of tool for most homeowners.
I have had my craftsman through at least 10 180-250ft/lb torque sequences. I have broken 2 3/8" rachets, one 10mm deep, had to replace my screwdrivers about 10 or so times over the years. Broke a pair of square nose pliers cutting heavy wire, broke a hammer.
All of these breaks were well into the tool life or due to my own error (missed with hammer and hit the shaft, used the 10mm deep on a high torque nut that was seized).
You don't have to spend a ton on tools...they won't be cheap, but they don't have to break the bank. One needs to look at the tool costs as an offset to what labor costs would be.
If you are paying 4x+ for the tools the the lifetime labor would be, you made a 'collectors' choice.
I am using my tools practically everyday. This weekend was sockets, screwdriver and level for hanging two shop cabinets; my drill, masonary bit, wire strippers, and stapler to set up my center channel; caulking gun, socket and interior trim tool to seal a car window; just last night my jeweller's tools to replace the battery in my Visor Prism.
Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
i'm not exactly handy around the house or car, but i'm somewhat of a DIY'er on basic stuff.
for the car i've done jobs like changing brakes (calipers, rotors, pads), oil, trans fluid, battery.
i'm less adventurous at home because i don't want to mess with plumbing/electrical/gas stuff because one wrong move could be thousands of $.
probably the biggest project was mounting my 42" plasma, which was just screws and bolts.
so anyway, i moved out a couple of years ago and don't have my own tools aside from a hammer, a flat and phillips screwdriver and a wrench which i plan to upgrade since these are all cheap pos.
i plan to start with this socket set.
might be a little overkill for basic work, but i figure it's craftsman and will last a lifetime, why not.
what else do i need?
should i get a set of screw drivers, or ones with changeable bits?
a drill and set of drill bits?
oh wait, this set comes with a screwdriver + 10 bits.
Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
Originally posted by: rh71
where'd you move to & from?
why?
Well you mention you moved... and I know you don't like LI, I want to know where's better, for consideration. We're thinking VA/MD as good options. And where'd you move from exactly?
Originally posted by: Elbryn
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Cheap tools have gotten better, but there are still many not even made with hardened steel.
The main problem with a broken tool (even the cheapest have lifetime warranties usually but you have to mail them in) is your project is stopped or worse that break causes collateral damage.
Most of the big store/stanley are plenty of tool for most homeowners.
I have had my craftsman through at least 10 180-250ft/lb torque sequences. I have broken 2 3/8" rachets, one 10mm deep, had to replace my screwdrivers about 10 or so times over the years. Broke a pair of square nose pliers cutting heavy wire, broke a hammer.
All of these breaks were well into the tool life or due to my own error (missed with hammer and hit the shaft, used the 10mm deep on a high torque nut that was seized).
You don't have to spend a ton on tools...they won't be cheap, but they don't have to break the bank. One needs to look at the tool costs as an offset to what labor costs would be.
If you are paying 4x+ for the tools the the lifetime labor would be, you made a 'collectors' choice.
I am using my tools practically everyday. This weekend was sockets, screwdriver and level for hanging two shop cabinets; my drill, masonary bit, wire strippers, and stapler to set up my center channel; caulking gun, socket and interior trim tool to seal a car window; just last night my jeweller's tools to replace the battery in my Visor Prism.
I think we're saying much the same thing. for a guy who's doing minimal things with hand tools (screwdriver/sockets) whats the point of getting good tools. the knockoffs will give you the same functionality and if it breaks, who cares about the warranty, go buy another set rather than wait for replacement. I bet the knockoffs give you a fairly comparable price to labor ratio as the name brands do. They just dont last as long but thats why they're priced lower. as a weekender too, i dont have a high cost associated with a delay in a project, i can afford to take the hour or day to go get a replacement.
heh, i think i'm just cheap. but thats the way i'm wired. i dont see the value in branding. after all the basis of branding is to attempt to dissociate yourself from the competition and give the capability to sell at a higher price point.
Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
good call on the C-clamp. i'll need that for pushing the pistons back in the brakes.
Originally posted by: geno
Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
good call on the C-clamp. i'll need that for pushing the pistons back in the brakes.
Just FYI, you won't be able to use that on rear calipers. You might want to find the right tool for that before tackling a 4-disc brake job
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: geno
Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
good call on the C-clamp. i'll need that for pushing the pistons back in the brakes.
Just FYI, you won't be able to use that on rear calipers. You might want to find the right tool for that before tackling a 4-disc brake job
Depends on the brake really...some have push in rears, some have turn in rears.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: geno
Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
good call on the C-clamp. i'll need that for pushing the pistons back in the brakes.
Just FYI, you won't be able to use that on rear calipers. You might want to find the right tool for that before tackling a 4-disc brake job
Depends on the brake really...some have push in rears, some have turn in rears.
Originally posted by: takeru
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: geno
Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
good call on the C-clamp. i'll need that for pushing the pistons back in the brakes.
Just FYI, you won't be able to use that on rear calipers. You might want to find the right tool for that before tackling a 4-disc brake job
Depends on the brake really...some have push in rears, some have turn in rears.
actually i was wondering out this. i have an acura rsx. what is the right tool to push the piston back actually on front and rear? on another site someone used this but i'm not sure what this is called, or even if its the right tool.
Originally posted by: geno
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: geno
Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
good call on the C-clamp. i'll need that for pushing the pistons back in the brakes.
Just FYI, you won't be able to use that on rear calipers. You might want to find the right tool for that before tackling a 4-disc brake job
Depends on the brake really...some have push in rears, some have turn in rears.
I'm not saying I doubt you when I say this, but that's news to me. Granted, I've only done rear discs on a few Japanese and German cars.
Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
Originally posted by: Elbryn
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Cheap tools have gotten better, but there are still many not even made with hardened steel.
The main problem with a broken tool (even the cheapest have lifetime warranties usually but you have to mail them in) is your project is stopped or worse that break causes collateral damage.
Most of the big store/stanley are plenty of tool for most homeowners.
I have had my craftsman through at least 10 180-250ft/lb torque sequences. I have broken 2 3/8" rachets, one 10mm deep, had to replace my screwdrivers about 10 or so times over the years. Broke a pair of square nose pliers cutting heavy wire, broke a hammer.
All of these breaks were well into the tool life or due to my own error (missed with hammer and hit the shaft, used the 10mm deep on a high torque nut that was seized).
You don't have to spend a ton on tools...they won't be cheap, but they don't have to break the bank. One needs to look at the tool costs as an offset to what labor costs would be.
If you are paying 4x+ for the tools the the lifetime labor would be, you made a 'collectors' choice.
I am using my tools practically everyday. This weekend was sockets, screwdriver and level for hanging two shop cabinets; my drill, masonary bit, wire strippers, and stapler to set up my center channel; caulking gun, socket and interior trim tool to seal a car window; just last night my jeweller's tools to replace the battery in my Visor Prism.
I think we're saying much the same thing. for a guy who's doing minimal things with hand tools (screwdriver/sockets) whats the point of getting good tools. the knockoffs will give you the same functionality and if it breaks, who cares about the warranty, go buy another set rather than wait for replacement. I bet the knockoffs give you a fairly comparable price to labor ratio as the name brands do. They just dont last as long but thats why they're priced lower. as a weekender too, i dont have a high cost associated with a delay in a project, i can afford to take the hour or day to go get a replacement.
heh, i think i'm just cheap. but thats the way i'm wired. i dont see the value in branding. after all the basis of branding is to attempt to dissociate yourself from the competition and give the capability to sell at a higher price point.
i don't think people are recommending super pricey tools like snap-on or mac.
but just pay a little more for a quality brand like craftsman, stanley, etc. over some made in china walmart shitty tools.