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Obsoleet

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I know you can't help but to keep pouring on the salt here but there is no other controller on the market that can write at those speeds without use of compression. And there is no other controller that uses compression at this time either. So,.. if the shoe fits.
And it would be an acceptable solution if it were being sold by Intel or Samsung who have the QA necessary to put out world-class drives.
People buy them due to the lure of cheap prices and the highest benchmarks. I know, I got sucked into the "OCZ" crowd early on because I didn't think Intel was worth it.

It is.
 

groberts101

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well.. all I can tell you for a fact is that these Intel prices are kept in check by companies who are willing to take more chances and produce massive amounts of more affordably priced drives to lure folks into catching the SSD bug.

Without the lowballers?.. the highballers would be sitting up on those high horses and telling us average folks what the weather is like up there.

And I too have owned several Intel already(even killed one right off the bat) and they're not all that and a bag of chips, IMHO. Intel has their flaws too and the chipsets and software is surely a good testament to that fact. Not nearly as bad as Micropatch Windows.. but they still pass gas once in a while.

Anywho.. you like this.. I like that.. that guy(or gal) likes the other. It's this diversity that has propelled this industry to where it is today and I'm 110% for it to continue.

One company alone(or even 3) cornering the market would not have us to this juncture already. Hell.. even Sandforce's controllers are forcing the advancement of the sata spec at an accellerated pace regardless of whether or not you like those controllers.

Has less to do with the vendor who decides to "stabilize them" since people with working units from other vendors have already tasted more speed and push for more by simply buying more. Intel is just trying to get their piece of such a huge market share just like the rest, is all.

That's good enough for me and the girls I hang out with.
 

bryanW1995

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It's very difficult for me to pull the trigger on a 512GB M4 when like you, my Intel drives have been extremely solid. I'm tempted to just take the 250GB Intel 510.

What is the price difference? I know the 510 is very expensive. If they're anywhere near the same price, I'd immediately jump on the m4. Remember when the 320 series had the 8mb issue, then intel quickly diagnosed and fixed it? Crucial did even better with the m4 imho, they look to me to be making that leap into the top tier and are at least a viable alternative when intel is too expensive. I'm planning on getting a 2x256gb ssd setup on BF this year, and I won't have any reservation about grabbing an m4 then. Hopefully prices will be a bit lower then, as well.
 

bryanW1995

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that's an asynch nand equipped model.

I'd rec to go with the synch nand equipped GT for better low end grunt where the OS runs. :thumbsup:

Just my opinion based on experience with that Sandforce 2281 controller , is all.

I agree 100%. Force GT has an excellent reputation, much better than Force 3.
 

bryanW1995

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If you want Sandforce, just wait for Intel's Sandforce drive (if the rumors are true). You'll have the best of every world, probably lower (benchmark) performance than other SF drives but it will be done right.

I'm torn between Intel and Samsung drives myself, with the 510 being the hands-down way to go. It just has no 500GB+ model.

Intel needs a high performance 510-like drive with 512GB - 1TB capacity for users like myself that demand that. If the 520 is 500GB+ and Sandforce maybe we'll all (besides those who buy non-Intel drives partially based on their high price)- be happy.

With the Samsung 830 being as (or close) to being as reliable as the Intel, and using the same delayed garbage collection method as Crucial, I'm going to stop recommending Crucial drives and stick to Intel or Samsung depending on need.

For me, due to the way sometimes I will utilize the majority of space on my SSD, Intel's 'worst case scenario' is a superior situation. I think people (esp SSD haters who think we're all beta testers) would be shocked at how even my 'lowly' G2 40GB has been an amazing performer with never a hiccup for years.

Ha, my g2 80gb is split into 18.6 gb cache and 57 gb data/OS drive right now, and I'm happier than a pig in ****. And that's without having raid trim even available yet. The only reason I'm upgrading on BF is that I'm planning an IVB rig anyway, and with 480gb or so of actual ssd space I wouldn't need to worry about using SRT anymore (hopefully).

Nice, the 480GB / $1,000 drive is exactly what I'm looking for. It's about $250 more than the comparable 512GB Samsung 830, but I'm guessing it's the best of every world.
Active GC + Sandforce with Intel reliability.

I'm no OCZ or other odd-ball drive user (anymore), and I'm willing to bet that 480GB drive is worth the price of admission and last as long and be as rock-solid as my G2s have.

I'd like a little more information on it, hopefully we'll see a review soon.

Gak. $2/gb isn't a bad deal, especially for a drive like that, but my cheap-O-meter is going crazy. When I could buy a 320 series 160gb for $155 on BF this year + get bf3 free (which I actually use and enjoy as well), that leads me to hope that a quality 6gb/s 240/256gb ssd from intel/samsung/crucial will be $1/gb or less on BF 2012.
 
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groberts101

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if you're assuming that "reputation" is based on anything being fundamentaly different between those drives?.. you're assuming too much. Same EXACT drive.. PCB and all.. just more affordable nand on the cheaper model, is all.

Personally I don't care for asynch equipped models when the synch versions are so close in price. I seriously wish more knew the differences before purchase and steered clear from them more often to wittle down the product offerings a bit more. Some brands have far too many models based on nearly the exact same drive already as it is and this just adds confusion to an already confusing subject for many new SSD adopters.

That way the price of superior models would be driven down with all the extra sales and competition of those drives. Same could even be said for toggle nand in that regard. That's probably just me wanting more though and not everyone cares about that last few percent gain. They'd rather keep that extra 10 bucks, I guess.
 

bryanW1995

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Far to many people around here take things to serious, and figure they have it all worked out.

The way the page is laid out in the link I gave, should have said enough about it's validity.

hook line and sinker, to coin a phrase.

Said it before, people will buy what they want to buy, and what they can afford. As long as they are happy with their purchase, no harm is done.

Now that reminds me. I must look out all my old JMicron based SSDs.:whiste:

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bryanW1995

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well.. all I can tell you for a fact is that these Intel prices are kept in check by companies who are willing to take more chances and produce massive amounts of more affordably priced drives to lure folks into catching the SSD bug.

Without the lowballers?.. the highballers would be sitting up on those high horses and telling us average folks what the weather is like up there.

And I too have owned several Intel already(even killed one right off the bat) and they're not all that and a bag of chips, IMHO. Intel has their flaws too and the chipsets and software is surely a good testament to that fact. Not nearly as bad as Micropatch Windows.. but they still pass gas once in a while.

Anywho.. you like this.. I like that.. that guy(or gal) likes the other. It's this diversity that has propelled this industry to where it is today and I'm 110% for it to continue.

One company alone(or even 3) cornering the market would not have us to this juncture already. Hell.. even Sandforce's controllers are forcing the advancement of the sata spec at an accellerated pace regardless of whether or not you like those controllers.

Has less to do with the vendor who decides to "stabilize them" since people with working units from other vendors have already tasted more speed and push for more by simply buying more. Intel is just trying to get their piece of such a huge market share just like the rest, is all.

That's good enough for me and the girls I hang out with.

I completely agree with the first part of your post. OCZ, corsair, adata, etc etc etc have done a fabulous job of getting prices low enough for ssd's to be a viable option even for the budget-conscious.

I disagree with your generally negative comments about intel. It is not a matter of opinion that intel drives go through much more testing than those of 2nd/3rd tier manufacturers. It is not a matter of opinion that intel drives are more stable/reliable than any but the best of their competitors, it's a matter of fact. And it's not a matter of opinion that intel and crucial have fixed serious issues in a matter of days while all of the sandforce 2281 companies have fixed their issues in a matter of months. Just because you have had a few favorable experiences with OCZ doesn't mean that everybody else will, and your campaign of FUD about intel or other quality manufacturers won't fool anybody who takes the time to do his/her own research.

And don't think that I'm biased against OCZ, corsair, patriot, etc etc, because I'm truly not. I'm very interested in following the octane series, and everest 2 looks to be important as well. If they prove to have top-notch quality this year there's a very good chance that I'll buy one on BF in fact. But based upon past ssd's, it's disingenous at best and dishonest at worst to imply that any of those companies deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as intel.
 

Obsoleet

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But based upon past ssd's, it's disingenous at best and dishonest at worst to imply that any of those companies deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as intel.

Not only that, but Anand has stated that it will require 12 months minimum of Intel-level support to gain that credibility. For me though it will take more than 1 year of top tier QA and support. Intel and Samsung have been essentially providing top notch everything (not just SSDs), for years if not decades. Micron is certainly extremely close to Intel and Samsung. I have 0 qualms with buying Crucial drives.

It's insulting to mention Intel and Samsung (especially), but also Crucial with all the 'others'. I respect OCZ crew for wanting to get paid, but the market will consolidate over time and we're already looking at (even with various companies offering controllers to Intel), the "big 3" already dominate the scene that's outside of playful enthusiasts.

The big 3 are even starting to take over the enthusiast market, as evidenced by the testing/results/feedback/purchases of those in this forum.
 

bryanW1995

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I think that there is still a very robust market for 2nd and 3rd tier ssd's, especially for those on a tight budget. Let them get used to ssd's with one of the cheaper ones, then, if they end up with a problem, they'll probably spend the extra $$$ for one of the better ones. And if they don't, then they're still happy b/c they get to have an ssd.
 

VirtualLarry

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I think that there is still a very robust market for 2nd and 3rd tier ssd's, especially for those on a tight budget. Let them get used to ssd's with one of the cheaper ones, then, if they end up with a problem, they'll probably spend the extra $$$ for one of the better ones. And if they don't, then they're still happy b/c they get to have an ssd.

You mean like me? Thinking about Intel drives, but choosing to go with a lesser OCZ Agility drive because of price, primarily, and the thoughts of speed (RAID-0 of two SATA2 drives, equalling in theory a SATA 6G SDD). Of course the realize is different, I paid for a cheap SSD, and I got what I paid for. And after a week or two of RAID-0 without TRIM, well, what a snafu that was, the array was slower than a single drive.

Now I'm thinking of buying an Intel 320 120GB drive, since they are on sale at BestBuy. (Yes, I know I could have gotten one cheaper AR at Newegg a few days/weeks ago, but I don't do rebates anymore.)
 

bryanW1995

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$170 with no rebate isn't too bad if you don't hassle with MIR's. Make sure that you update to latest firmware, the 2nd review on BB's website complains about the 8mb issue. I verified that my firmware was updated my 320 series immediately after booting into windows.

I still think that the cheaper units have their place. Many/most people who are dipping their toe into the ssd market will be afraid of RAID and stick to a single 60-120gb ssd. One of those that is literally plug and play is better for novices. Your problem is that you hang out here so went after a more advanced setup with the inferior/small/old equipment.

As I'm sure you're aware, the next iteration of IRST has support for RAID TRIM. Not that I've seen a need for it yet on my rig, but it's nice to know that it's on the horizon in case I need it in the future.
 

VirtualLarry

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As I'm sure you're aware, the next iteration of IRST has support for RAID TRIM. Not that I've seen a need for it yet on my rig, but it's nice to know that it's on the horizon in case I need it in the future.

I'm definately looking for that. I hope that it will be supported on the ICH9R, and not just on SB chipsets. (Some talk of needing a newer OROM to support the newer driver revisions.)
 
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