top gear gushes too much over the bugatti

[ElFenix]

i mean, really, concorde moment? never be equaled? they're gushing sheerly because it's european and been engineered by the germans to be overly complicated and complex.

there are no less than 6 other road cars that make 1000+ horsepower. most of them for well under the bugatti's price and none of them are sold at a ginormous loss.

 

[Atheus]

Are you talking about yesterday's episode? Did they say it would never be equaled? I must have missed that.

Still, even though there are other ridiculous supercars, none are quite as ridiculous as the Veyron, and because it _is_ sold at such a huge loss it would be hard to imagine something similar being attempted again.

 

[mk52]

why is it sold at such a huge loss? R&D or cost of parts?

 

[Aharami]

so name these other 6 cars you're talking about? The Veyron is a engineering marvel.

 

[lobbyone]

would those be street legal in the US?

 

[Aharami]

trying to find a link that shows Veyron getting to 100 mph faster than other supercars getting to 60mph

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: lobbyone
would those be street legal in the US?

yes, the Veyron is

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Aharami
so name these other 6 cars you're talking about? The Veyron is a engineering marvel.

SSC ultimate aero tt (built by some guys in a shed in washington state), which has a 20 MPH higher top speed (with a push rod V8)

hennessey twin turbo viper

lingenfelter twin turbo corvette

bristol fighter twin turbo (built by some guys in a shed in england, uses a viper engine and is electronically limited to 224 cuz the aero isn't up to snuff)

ford gt-tt

mirage evolution gt (built off a carrera gt and more expensive than the bugatti by a lot)


there have been other cars proposed, but those 6 are the ones that are actually in production. the ssc aero is going to vw's track in may to make a run at it.

 

[Chadder007]

Nice to hear that you have driven the car yourself and reached this opinion. :roll:

 

[d3n]

Did they do a run around the test track?

 

[jdoggg12]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Aharami
so name these other 6 cars you're talking about? The Veyron is a engineering marvel.

SSC ultimate aero tt (built by some guys in a shed in washington state), which has a 20 MPH higher top speed (with a push rod V8)

hennessey twin turbo viper

lingenfelter twin turbo corvette

bristol fighter twin turbo (built by some guys in a shed in england, uses a viper engine and is electronically limited to 224 cuz the aero isn't up to snuff)

ford gt-tt

mirage evolution gt (built off a carrera gt and more expensive than the bugatti by a lot)


there have been other cars proposed, but those 6 are the ones that are actually in production. the ssc aero is going to vw's track in may to make a run at it.

It just seems that these are one-offs or tuner cars... not really in (exactly) the same section. Just a thought...

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: d3n
Did they do a run around the test track?

i dont think the Veyron would be as fast as the fastest supercar (Pagani Zonda, Koenigsegg CCX) around a track just because of its sheer weight. The car weight 4299 lbs and there is no way a 2 ton car can change direction as fast as a 1 ton or 1.2 ton car, no matter how powerful it is.

but the fact that Veyron does 0-60 in 2.45 secs and 0-125 in 7.3 in spite of its weight shows how well engineered this car is.

And I do believe this car will end up being like the Concorde. No way someone else will manufacture a car like this just to say they can

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Aharami
so name these other 6 cars you're talking about? The Veyron is a engineering marvel.

SSC ultimate aero tt (built by some guys in a shed in washington state), which has a 20 MPH higher top speed (with a push rod V8)

hennessey twin turbo viper

lingenfelter twin turbo corvette

bristol fighter twin turbo (built by some guys in a shed in england, uses a viper engine and is electronically limited to 224 cuz the aero isn't up to snuff)

ford gt-tt

mirage evolution gt (built off a carrera gt and more expensive than the bugatti by a lot)


there have been other cars proposed, but those 6 are the ones that are actually in production. the ssc aero is going to vw's track in may to make a run at it.

One could probably make wheeled office chair have more power and go faster than a Veyron at a fraction of the price - but that still doesnt make that office chair the better car

 

[junkiefp]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Aharami
so name these other 6 cars you're talking about? The Veyron is a engineering marvel.

SSC ultimate aero tt (built by some guys in a shed in washington state), which has a 20 MPH higher top speed (with a push rod V8)

hennessey twin turbo viper

lingenfelter twin turbo corvette

bristol fighter twin turbo (built by some guys in a shed in england, uses a viper engine and is electronically limited to 224 cuz the aero isn't up to snuff)

ford gt-tt

mirage evolution gt (built off a carrera gt and more expensive than the bugatti by a lot)


there have been other cars proposed, but those 6 are the ones that are actually in production. the ssc aero is going to vw's track in may to make a run at it.

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[Aharami]

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Aharami
so name these other 6 cars you're talking about? The Veyron is a engineering marvel.

SSC ultimate aero tt (built by some guys in a shed in washington state), which has a 20 MPH higher top speed (with a push rod V8)

hennessey twin turbo viper

lingenfelter twin turbo corvette

bristol fighter twin turbo (built by some guys in a shed in england, uses a viper engine and is electronically limited to 224 cuz the aero isn't up to snuff)

ford gt-tt

mirage evolution gt (built off a carrera gt and more expensive than the bugatti by a lot)


there have been other cars proposed, but those 6 are the ones that are actually in production. the ssc aero is going to vw's track in may to make a run at it.

It just seems that these are one-offs or tuner cars... not really in (exactly) the same section. Just a thought...

was about to say the same thing. When Dodge or Chevy comes out with a 1000 hp Viper or Vette, lets talk. And even then, the Veyron is in a whole different class than any of the cars ElFenix mentioned.

I can make my GTI into a 1000 hp car if I threw enough money into it. But that doesnt mean my GTI would be in the same league as the Veyron

 

[Aharami]

i mean c'mon... an air-intake just to cool the brakes

 

[lobbyone]

Originally posted by: Aharami
i mean c'mon... an air-intake just to cool the brakes

whoa!

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Chadder007
Nice to hear that you have driven the car yourself and reached this opinion. :roll:

why do i need to drive the car in order to disprove that a 1000 hp car that goes 250 won't be done again?

 

[junkiefp]

Top Gear glorifies Veyron simply because it deserves it. End of thread.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Chadder007
Nice to hear that you have driven the car yourself and reached this opinion. :roll:

why do i need to drive the car in order to disprove that a 1000 hp car that goes 250 won't be done again?

wont be done by a major car manufacturer ever again. Yea tuners have been and will keep on producing kits that can increase output of current cars to 1000+ hp. In those cases, the power is just an afterthought since those cars werent designed to handle that much power w/o some serious modifications. But it takes a lot more R&D for a major manufacturer to engineer a car from ground up that can put that much power down safely

 

[d3n]

Originally posted by: junkiefp
Top Gear glorifies Veyron simply because it deserves it. End of thread.

I have to agree with this. The engineering on this car is just so over the top all around. Other super car makers envision a premium car at a break even price point. Bugatti built this car just to say it could be done. Other car makers have done this with a few one count hand built cars. However. for the Veyron to mean anything it has to be put into production. That is where this is unique. Its a production car.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Aharami

wont be done by a major car manufacturer ever again. Yea tuners have been and will keep on producing kits that can increase output of current cars to 1000+ hp. In those cases, the power is just an afterthought since those cars werent designed to handle that much power w/o some serious modifications. But it takes a lot more R&D for a major manufacturer to engineer a car from ground up that can put that much power down safely

so the SSC guys going 270+ with hours of windtunnel testing under their belts don't count? seems like car built for gobs of power from the ground up. i bet koenigsegg will go after that mark too.

again, i'm taking issue with the fact that they claim this is the pinnacle, that no one will ever attempt a 1000 hp 250 mph road going car again. when that is just plain wrong.

and SSC is selling the things. sure, they may not make many of them, but then they're not in the business of giving the things away to upper level execs and heads of state.

 

[junkiefp]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Aharami

wont be done by a major car manufacturer ever again. Yea tuners have been and will keep on producing kits that can increase output of current cars to 1000+ hp. In those cases, the power is just an afterthought since those cars werent designed to handle that much power w/o some serious modifications. But it takes a lot more R&D for a major manufacturer to engineer a car from ground up that can put that much power down safely

so the SSC guys going 270+ with hours of windtunnel testing under their belts don't count? seems like car built for gobs of power from the ground up. i bet koenigsegg will go after that mark too.

Link to actual road tests at 270+... Cant find any? Then STFU.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Aharami

wont be done by a major car manufacturer ever again. Yea tuners have been and will keep on producing kits that can increase output of current cars to 1000+ hp. In those cases, the power is just an afterthought since those cars werent designed to handle that much power w/o some serious modifications. But it takes a lot more R&D for a major manufacturer to engineer a car from ground up that can put that much power down safely

so the SSC guys going 270+ with hours of windtunnel testing under their belts don't count? seems like car built for gobs of power from the ground up. i bet koenigsegg will go after that mark too.

I didnt say that it doesnt count. Although I've never heard of SSC before (yea i know, shame on me), Im sure they make some sweet cars. But how big is SSC? How big is Koenigsegg? And then how big is VW?

major car manufacturer = companies that mass produce cars. Do you think you will ever see Ford or Toyota making a 1000 hp car or any car at a loss of millions per car?

 

[Aharami]

some more Bugatti sweetness