TOP GEAR Season 14 EP 4

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Pariah

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I'm only aware of one lap time for the X5M, which is the top gear time. The M3 beat it by 2.9 secs. 3 seconds on that track is an eternity.

Where do you live that you don't see or know people who own multiple vehicles that serve different purposes? If you need to tow a trailer or make a run to home depot to pick some stuff up, or move some furniture, would you stand in your driveway trying to figure out which vehicle has the best 0-60 time and skidpad numbers to decide what you would use? Your point doesn't make any sense.

The X5M's performance is mediocre compared to the track performance you can get from something else in the $50k-60k range and closer to poor in the hauling capabilites compared to pickup trucks in the $30k range. When you consider those 2 combined cost the same as an X5M, the choice is rather obvious. Purpose built items will almost always be better for less than attempts at being a jack of all trades.
 

EightySix Four

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Jul 17, 2004
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I'm only aware of one lap time for the X5M, which is the top gear time. The M3 beat it by 2.9 secs. 3 seconds on that track is an eternity.

Where do you live that you don't see or know people who own multiple vehicles that serve different purposes? If you need to tow a trailer or make a run to home depot to pick some stuff up, or move some furniture, would you stand in your driveway trying to figure out which vehicle has the best 0-60 time and skidpad numbers to decide what you would use? Your point doesn't make any sense.

The X5M's performance is mediocre compared to the track performance you can get from something else in the $50k-60k range and closer to poor in the hauling capabilites compared to pickup trucks in the $30k range. When you consider those 2 combined cost the same as an X5M, the choice is rather obvious. Purpose built items will almost always be better for less than attempts at being a jack of all trades.

Sure, let me get my cell phone, calendar, email device, gameboy, texting device, web browser, contact book, camera, mp3 player, video player, weather checker, sports score checker, and calculator out my pockets real quick.

Some people do not have to have the very best. Sometimes people would prefer to have one thing that does 100 things "ok" than one thing that does one thing "great."
 

Pariah

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If all you need is the most basic of functionality from all those devices, an all in one unit might be fine for you (ie an X5M). Some of us may have more specific needs or higher standards and don't want to deal with the shortcomings of the individuals functions of such a device.

I notice you also ignored to respond to every wrong assertion you made in your earlier posts.
 

ElFenix

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You could clearly argue that for the development of the X6 and the rest of the upcoming semi-SUV coupes from Audi and Acura. They're bigger without actually providing much room, actually only seating 4 max. It gets worst gas mileage too. The tagline has been... a solution to a problem they created themself. I don't understand it myself either, but it is different, and people are into that.

i'm fairly certain that only women buy those things.

'hey i've got an idea! lets create something as heavy and slow and guzzling as a 5,000 lb SUV, but only give it the space of a cramped sports coupe!'


Where's the race across Europe on a tank of gas?
didn't they just do that?
 

PricklyPete

Lifer
Sep 17, 2002
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i'm fairly certain that only women buy those things.

'hey i've got an idea! lets create something as heavy and slow and guzzling as a 5,000 lb SUV, but only give it the space of a cramped sports coupe!'



didn't they just do that?

I'm on it! How many cup-holders should it have...24? Might only get seating for 3...but they can stop at McDonalds 8 times without having to clean the vehicle...
 

rh71

No Lifer
Aug 28, 2001
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I'm only aware of one lap time for the X5M, which is the top gear time. The M3 beat it by 2.9 secs. 3 seconds on that track is an eternity.

Was the M3 time on a wet track, or does traction not matter?

Where do you live that you don't see or know people who own multiple vehicles that serve different purposes? If you need to tow a trailer or make a run to home depot to pick some stuff up, or move some furniture, would you stand in your driveway trying to figure out which vehicle has the best 0-60 time and skidpad numbers to decide what you would use? Your point doesn't make any sense.

Of course it makes sense if you have something that can do most things. Look at the threads in Garage and tell me if people put down multiple criteria for what they're looking for in a car. I thought you were arguing that this vehicle was POINTLESS... and by even affirming that it can do this and that at the same time... well there's the point. Does it matter if it's not best? What vehicle does everyone have that is the best at anything? Is a smartphone pointless too?

The X5M's performance is mediocre compared to the track performance you can get from something else in the $50k-60k range and closer to poor in the hauling capabilites compared to pickup trucks in the $30k range. When you consider those 2 combined cost the same as an X5M, the choice is rather obvious. Purpose built items will almost always be better for less than attempts at being a jack of all trades.

So now we're calling performance based on cost? Man all those supercars on that board sure do suck.

I missed your earlier response about not having a double standard. You dismiss these things as ridiculous and have no reason for existence yet the fancy high-six-figure exotics that COST (omg this is a huge factor!!!) with little in return other than speed (some even without A/C or radio, terrible visibility, ridiculous maintenance costs, unnecessary consumption, with no capacity for anything) driven on roads with speed limits are ok in your book? Why? How are you not comparing the SUVs to anything when clearly that's the only thing you've been doing?

My point in all this is simple... I don't care if you're not an SUV fan, it's just that the haters have the dumbest and most hypocritical reasons when attempting to put them down.
 
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DivideBYZero

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1) The M3 blitzing the X5M around the track? Where are you getting your times?

2) You missed the point about having to get in a stumblin' bumblin' truck after being in a performance vehicle. Is that what a guy who doesn't have to put up with it wants, when a clear choice exists for him? And to call this type of performance mediocre is absurd.


1) M3 owns the X5M. Get us times that show the opposite.
2) Frankenstein's monster is not the answer.
 

yh125d

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Dec 23, 2006
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I agree with clarkson on the X5M. Great engineering feat, but its just completely mad and you should get a diesel range rover instead
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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bloody hell, Top Gear is fun

<--- never seen it before. I am a total tv noob.
 

rh71

No Lifer
Aug 28, 2001
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1) M3 owns the X5M. Get us times that show the opposite.
2) Frankenstein's monster is not the answer.

This isn't about who's cock is bigger although that seems to be your MO in every post. If he wants to use such an argument that one should get an M3 over the X5M because it "blitzes" it anyway, then he'd be the one to have to prove that. There are no apples-to-apples numbers that prove that, yet he stated it as fact. I know you're probably too busy editing wikipedia entries to prove your worthiness, but let's follow along here.
 

yh125d

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Dec 23, 2006
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I thought the airport vehicle race was gahddamn hilarious.

Watching all of those beasts lumer around the track with wheels up in the air was very good



I think the stair truck had its inner front wheel like 4ft in the air, and didn't roll (yet)
 
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