Top U.S. General Says Number of Capable Iraqi Battalions Drops to One...Bush "encouraged"

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http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGB60MB97EE.html
WASHINGTON (AP) - The number of Iraqi battalions capable of combat without U.S. support has dropped from three to one, the top American commander in Iraq told Congress Thursday, prompting Republicans to question whether U.S. troops will be able to withdraw next year.

Gen. George Casey, softening his previous comments that a "fairly substantial" pull out could begin next spring and summer, told lawmakers that troops could begin coming home from Iraq next year depending on conditions during and after the upcoming elections there.


"The next 75 days are going to be critical for what happens," Casey told the Senate Armed Services Committee.

The Bush administration says training Iraqi security forces to defend their own country is the key to bringing home U.S. troops. But Republicans pressed Casey on whether the United States was backsliding in its efforts to train Iraqis.

In June, the Pentagon told lawmakers that three Iraqi battalions were fully trained, equipped and capable of operating independently. On Thursday, Casey said only one battalion is ready.

"It doesn't feel like progress," said Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine.

Despite the drop, Casey hailed significant progress in training Iraqi security forces and noted that U.S. troops are embedded with more Iraqi units in mentoring roles than before. "Have we lost ground? Absolutely not," Casey said.

Casey said the Pentagon's standard for what constitutes a fully capable Iraqi battalion is high and that it's been difficult to ensure logistical support for Iraqi units. "I understand how it could be perceived as disappointing," he told Collins.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., questioned why the generals are discussing troop withdrawals when it's clear Iraqi security forces aren't ready.

"You're taking a very big gamble here. I hope you're correct. I don't see the indicators yet that we are ready to plan or begin troop withdrawals given the overall security situation. And that just isn't my opinion alone," he said.

Casey, the most senior commander of coalition forces in Iraq, said the result of the upcoming Iraqi referendum on a new constitution on Oct. 15 and December elections will affect whether conditions on the ground will be appropriate for withdrawing U.S. troops.

By the December elections, Casey said, the number of Iraqi security forces available will rise to 100,000, allowing the United States to ask for only 2,000 more U.S. troops compared with the 12,000 extra needed during last January's elections.

He and Gen. John Abizaid, the commander of U.S. Central Command, were testifying before the Senate and House Armed Services committees alongside Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Gen. Richard B. Myers, the outgoing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

The hearing came on a day when five American soldiers were killed by a roadside bomb in Ramadi in western Iraq. That brought the number of U.S. troops who have died in Iraq since the war began in 2003 to 1,934, according to a tally by the Associated Press.

President Bush sent the group to Capitol Hill for back-to-back House and Senate hearings to try to convince lawmakers - and their skeptical constituents - that the United States is making progress in the war despite slipping support at home.

Before the Senate panel, the generals warned that defeating the insurgency would take time. "To be sure the next couple of months are going to be tough," Casey said, warning that the insurgents will ramp up their efforts in the coming weeks to try to affect the political process.

While the Bush administration has refused to set a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops, Casey has repeatedly said a "fairly substantial" pullout could begin next spring and summer as long as the political process stayed on track, the insurgency did not expand and the training of Iraqi security forces continued as planned.

But when reporters asked Casey on Wednesday whether he still believed that to be the case, he said, "I think right now we're in a period of a little greater uncertainty than when I was asked that question back in July and March."

"Until we're done with this political process here with the referendum and the elections in December, I think it's too soon to tell," Casey said.

Congress has not held a hearing on Iraq with top officials since before its August break.

Back home in their districts, lawmakers heard from constituents whose discomfort about Iraq was reflected in polls showing sliding support for Bush and the war effort.

Republicans have increasingly started expressing concern, although most continue to support the president, while Democrats have begun to intensify their criticism of Bush's Iraq policy as the U.S. death toll approaches 2,000.

Bush 'encouraged' despite report on Iraqi troops
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051001/pl_nm/iraq_bush_dc
"I'm encouraged by the increasing size and capability of the Iraqi security forces. Today they have more than 100 battalions operating throughout the country, and our commanders report that the Iraqi forces are serving with increasing effectiveness," Bush said in his weekly radio address.


Wow.



Completely.

Fvcking.

Clueless.

Bastard.



IMPEACHMENT NOW!


This country cannot survive with incompetence like this in the White House. This country is being bankrupted by the new spenders who are so closely tied to big business and the military-industrial complex that one cannot tell the difference between them.
 

Strk

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You can only get in trouble if you fire one off at a chubby girl, not mishandling a war; I thought you knew that? :roll:
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Where the difference come in between Bush and the General in numbers is that there is 1 first rate battalion, however there are certain to be many many of lesser quality. Bush would have included those. What is the real ability of the Iraqis to fight? I have no clue.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Where the difference come in between Bush and the General in numbers is that there is 1 first rate battalion, however there are certain to be many many of lesser quality. Bush would have included those. What is the real ability of the Iraqis to fight? I have no clue.

I'd like believe in the number of those capable of protecting the country when we leave. In which case, I'm much more inclined to take the opinion of the General.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Where the difference come in between Bush and the General in numbers is that there is 1 first rate battalion, however there are certain to be many many of lesser quality. Bush would have included those. What is the real ability of the Iraqis to fight? I have no clue.

I'd like believe in the number of those capable of protecting the country when we leave. In which case, I'm much more inclined to take the opinion of the General.

As would I. I am not justifying it, merely stating the obvious as to why both could be construed to be telling the "truth".

I don't care much for deception, and I have little doubt that what the General told Congress is a "true fact". I am not reassured.
 

dahunan

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They were so full of sh1t and lying so terribly during the debates trying to tell us how many Iraiq Platoons were ready to defend and police their own country.. Assholes.. lying pieces of crap
 

Steeplerot

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How does "U.S. support has dropped from three to one (battalions)"

change to: captain cookoo-bannanas bush today:

"I'm encouraged by the increasing size and capability of the Iraqi security forces. Today they have more than 100 battalions" from bush today?

What a piece of sh1t liar...hes 100x off...

In other words the glorious us corporate overlord's war machine is operating at 1%?

Is this baghdad bob talking?

"There are no 99 battalions missing from my speech...these battalions are on the moon!"
 

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this is absolutely pathetic. forget about your left/right ties for one second, and realize how much this administration has lied to the American public. this is absolutely unacceptable, and if the American people don't start demanding more from our elected officials this is what we are going to get every year. the politicians have pitted us against ourselves, when we should be focusing our energy on them.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
this is absolutely pathetic. forget about your left/right ties for one second, and realize how much this administration has lied to the American public. this is absolutely unacceptable, and if the American people don't start demanding more from our elected officials this is what we are going to get every year. the politicians have pitted us against ourselves, when we should be focusing our energy on them.

This is precisely what the American public wants. No one wants the truth. They want to hear what they want to hear. Political parties are fed by us, and we expect to get our fully paid share of deception. That way we can forget about everything and not have to be bothered.
 

Steeplerot

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Hmm I wonder what my boss would say if I told him I fixed 700 computers that day instead of 7....
 

BaliBabyDoc

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I'm inclined to agree with Hayabusa Rider. Bush had a better shyte selling ad campaign than Kerry. Even if you reversed the "support" personnel you might have the same outcome.

I traveled throughout East and SE Asia in 2000. People LOVED American tourists. I had a few "odd" encounters in Indonesia, but otherwise being an American tourist was tops. These days we are disliked in almost every country on the globe except Israel.

We screwed the pooch on Iraq. Most Americans have a clue and deep down inside (the thinking ones), they know Iraq/Saddam was a problem made three orders of magnitude worse by Bush policy. Yet there is no real antidote for the powerful self delusion that grips our country.

Over 1900 US service people dead . . .
10x that number leave the theatre less than whole . . .
$7B a month on top of $300B and counting . . .
No real prospect for "success" . . .
And hated across the globe.

I'm encouraged . . . really I am.
 

conjur

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I'm so encouraged I'm going to donate my next paycheck to the RNC.

Republicans are what this country needs.
 

Czar

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It is very true that he might be talking about the total number of battalions and the general was talking about like he said, fully working and independant battalions. But that doesnt change the fact that Bush is trying to make Iraq seem to be going along very well while in fact it is not. This makes the US public think that the US is doing a much better job then they are more ready to leave Iraq and let them take care of themselves. Thats when only one battalion counts, not nearly close to enough.

So when Bush's term is over, democrats take over they can focus on this issue. Why is Iraq not ready? whats taking so long when it was going so well.

Its all about making a certain group of people belive in a certain version of reality. They will belive this like they still belive that Iraq had wmd's and Syria must have them now. This is an image that will get stuck for years to come.
 

dahunan

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And people wonder why the media continues to talk about the bad news in Iraq.. because the only good reports are fvcking lies from this POS worthless lying bastard drunk MFing disgusting thing that spends his time in the white house
 

Rainsford

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This seems like a major issue to me. If we can't increase the number of Iraqi troops and police, we are NEVER LEAVING. EVER. Forget tough, positive talk, it's simple logic. If we can't get someone to replace our boys and girls, they are going to be there for a long time. How can this be "encouraging"?
 

Deus3344

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Wow.



Completely.

Fvcking.

Clueless.

Bastard.

Actually the president is right, there are currently 100 independent (varying degrees) Iraqi battalions accounting for around 80% of current military operations.

Here is a pentagon report about the matter; you can find the trained and equipped number (~171,300) in the middle of the document:

Linky

Here is the CSPAN press briefing where Defense Sec. Rumsfeld and Gen. Clark discuss the matter. Its in RM format, sorry. If it doesn't work just go to c-span.org.

rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/iraq/iraq093005_dod.rm

The reason why 2 of those units were downgraded was because of improved standards, according to Clark.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Deus3344
Wow.



Completely.

Fvcking.

Clueless.

Bastard.

Actually the president is right, there are currently 100 independent (varying degrees) Iraqi battalions accounting for around 80% of current military operations.

Here is a pentagon report about the matter; you can find the trained and equipped number (~171,300) in the middle of the document:

Linky

Here is the CSPAN press briefing where Defense Sec. Rumsfeld and Gen. Clark discuss the matter. Its in RM format, sorry. If it doesn't work just go to c-span.org.

rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/iraq/iraq093005_dod.rm

The reason why 2 of those units were downgraded was because of improved standards, according to Clark.


I truly no longer trust anything our pentagon tells us - EOS!
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: Deus3344
Wow.



Completely.

Fvcking.

Clueless.

Bastard.

Actually the president is right, there are currently 100 independent (varying degrees) Iraqi battalions accounting for around 80% of current military operations.

Here is a pentagon report about the matter; you can find the trained and equipped number (~171,300) in the middle of the document:

Linky

Here is the CSPAN press briefing where Defense Sec. Rumsfeld and Gen. Clark discuss the matter. Its in RM format, sorry. If it doesn't work just go to c-span.org.

rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/iraq/iraq093005_dod.rm

The reason why 2 of those units were downgraded was because of improved standards, according to Clark.
Uh, so the old standard was BS?! I know Bush is used to grade inflation, but this shenanigans is ridiculous.

Here's my beef:
We get something close to the truth on CSPAN, which few people watch.

We get a polished turd in Bush's weekly radio address, which is then parrotted by most media including the Sunday farting heads.

Clinton lied to his wife and a grand jury . . . not counting his, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." But Clinton's lies, half-truths, and obfuscations rarely killed and were definitely much cheaper.

 

Rainsford

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Apr 25, 2001
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Originally posted by: Deus3344
Wow.



Completely.

Fvcking.

Clueless.

Bastard.

Actually the president is right, there are currently 100 independent (varying degrees) Iraqi battalions accounting for around 80% of current military operations.

Here is a pentagon report about the matter; you can find the trained and equipped number (~171,300) in the middle of the document:

Linky

Here is the CSPAN press briefing where Defense Sec. Rumsfeld and Gen. Clark discuss the matter. Its in RM format, sorry. If it doesn't work just go to c-span.org.

rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/iraq/iraq093005_dod.rm

The reason why 2 of those units were downgraded was because of improved standards, according to Clark.

That report seems pretty negative to me, in many catagories we have made little progress (look at electricity production) and in some catagories things are getting worse (look at unemployment). As for the number of troops and police, the 171k number is split between military and police, and given the size of Iraq and the state of terrorism, that number of EITHER police or military isn't even close to what is required, much less combined. The number should be (and needs to be) a lot higher before we're even close to being able to pull out.
 

db

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Bush "encouraged" -- as expected from The Chimp (aka The Wood-headed Dummy, which has Cheney's hand up its ass to make the head work).
 
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