Can you give me the link where it mentions the new gTX to have a 512mb internal bus?
And for a fact, you cant Sli 7800GTX 256mb and 7800GTX 512mb. Tried at digit life but didnt work.
Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: munky
Originally posted by: Matt2
I'm gonna assume that the driver issues were because of the 512bit-wide internal bus.
In reality, the NVIDIA GeForce 7800 512 graphics card had its core redesigned with some tweaks to the layout, to improve the overall processing flow. It also now has a 512 Bbit wide bus.
You got a link to any of this? Cause until then, I say you're just blowing smoke.
Seriously, it's the same core. They did not rearrange the ALU's, and neither does it have a 512 bit bus. None of the changes or "tweaks" I have read about would require a new driver for optimal performance.
It has a 512bit INTERNAL bus. External bus is still 256bit-wide, much like the X1800XT.
Considering it took a new driver just to RECOGNIZE the 7800 512, I would say this is a pretty plausible explanation.
Originally posted by: Matt2
Considering it took a new driver just to RECOGNIZE the 7800 512, I would say this is a pretty plausible explanation.
In reality, the NVIDIA GeForce 7800 512 graphics card had its core redesigned with some tweaks to the layout, to improve the overall processing flow. It also now has a 512 Bbit wide bus. This is not the first time we have seen 512Bit with graphics cards - ATI incorporated a 512 Bit bus into its X1000 series cards, but even these weren't the first in the consumer space. That honor goes to Matrox with the Parhelia 512 (this company was also first with a 256 Bit memory bus.)
On the 7800 GTX 512, the internal bus is able to transfer 512 Bits of data per clock, because of its double data rate capability. External data transfers remain 256 Bit wide, so transfers to and from the 512 MB frame buffer memory remain the same.
And its not damn personal how the little ATI 'crue' mobs on Rollo constantly?Originally posted by: munky
You trying to make this personal? Rest assured I have no intentions of hiding anywhere.
But since you seem to be into Nv so much, explain to me why a gpu that's architeturally the same as the 256mb model would need new drivers to unleash it's full potential? What's a more likely scenario - Nv releases a beta driver to get all the fps they can from their new big bad card, or that this card is actually a g80 in disguise, with a brand new gpu design, and needs all-new drivers to really see it's full potential?
:roll:
Originally posted by: southpawuni
I think alot of people were really turned off by the attitudes of the ATI crew during the 9700-era and what goes around...
(yes I had a 9800Pro, just saying the ATI fanboys turned me off from taking their side from years of IQ cheating in NV drivers ect. It got ridiculous.)
Originally posted by: malG
This is gonna hurt: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2607&p=4 It's an ATI game and gets completely smacked by NVIDIA.
Not only NVIDIA dominates the high-end, but also the mid-range (6800GS) and low-end (6600 DDR2). Congrats NVIDIA for the excellent product, product launch and availability.
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
G71 is a 90nm GTX isnt it?
However, toms is the only site to claim this new feature (512bit internal bus). Shouldnt the core name be changed?
Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
G71 is a 90nm GTX isnt it?
However, toms is the only site to claim this new feature (512bit internal bus). Shouldnt the core name be changed?
Ok, so maybe it's not a G71, but it still ahs to be a respin. That throws M0RPH's and the other fanATIcs theory of speed binned cards out the window.
Originally posted by: southpawuni
And its not damn personal how the little ATI 'crue' mobs on Rollo constantly?
If you dont plan on hiding, you'll continue to be a one-man army
It needs a new driver to recognize it. I think Gstanfor would be able to better answer your question, shoot him a PM and ask him to visit the thread.
But I'm not "into NV", I'm into the best product. I'm not ashamed of that. Just cuz I toss little jabs about ATI doesnt mean I'm a NV loyalist, I think alot of people were really turned off by the attitudes of the ATI crew during the 9700-era and what goes around...
(yes I had a 9800Pro, just saying the ATI fanboys turned me off from taking their side from years of IQ cheating in NV drivers ect. It got ridiculous.)
Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
G71 is a 90nm GTX isnt it?
However, toms is the only site to claim this new feature (512bit internal bus). Shouldnt the core name be changed?
Ok, so maybe it's not a G71, but it still ahs to be a respin. That throws M0RPH's and the other fanATIcs theory of speed binned cards out the window.
The 7800 GTX was going to be left ?as-is? with a single slot cooler and 430 MHz core speeds. What was going to be in the air was where it would be introduced at in terms of price. If the R520 was the performer that NVIDIA feared it would be, then NVIDIA was expecting X1800 XL, X1800 XT, and X1800 XT/PE editions. If that was the case then the 7800 GT would be introduced at $399, the 7800 GTX at $499, and the 7800 Ultra at $649 to compete with everything ATI could throw at them.
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One of the first things to be developed for the ?Ultra? was the cooling system. This had to be quite robust yet avoid the ?Dustbuster? reputation that NVIDIA accrued during the disastrous FX 5800 Ultra days. The design they came up with was the one initially spotted with the Quadro FX 4500 version using the G70. The core of the cooler is copper (which touches the GPU die), while the fins are aluminum. Copper is outstanding at transferring heat, but is not as effective as aluminum at dissipating heat into air. The combination of a copper core and aluminum fins insures that the heat is more evenly spread throughout the cooler, and it maximizes heat dissipation in air. The addition of heatpipes also helps to more evenly spread the thermal load. The 80 mm fan does a very good job of pushing air yet staying fairly quiet. Overall the cooler NVIDIA developed is quite impressive.
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NVIDIA now has officially dropped the MSRP on the 7800 GTX to $499 and the 7800 GT to $399.
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Fast GDDR-3 memory is also in much greater supply, and this again brings the total board cost down
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The R580 looks to be a breakout product for ATI, and it will provide NVIDIA with some real competition come late Winter 2006. NVIDIA will be ready to respond to this attack with their 90 nm Low-K high end product.
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NVIDIA will not stop at just clock speed. We can expect that it will have a full 8 quads of pixel shaders, 10 vertex shaders, and 16 ?Super? ROPS that will be able to handle the output of those shaders.
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I have heard rumors that the AA unit will be getting a makeover and it will be able to handle HDR anti-aliasing. I have also heard rumors that texture filtering will also be getting a boost and we can expect texture quality to match that of the older FX series. This product could easily hit 380 million transistors, and with the addition of 90 nm Low-K (remember, the regular G70 is 110 nm FSG- it does not get a transistor performance increase by using Low-K) this product will hit some impressive clockspeeds. One thing that does not look to change will be the memory controller. NVIDIA does not feel the need for a programmable memory controller like ATI has as of yet, and will instead rely on faster GDDR-3 memory to make up the difference.
Originally posted by: x80064
Yea, but do you realize most of the games benched...favors Nvidia?
Originally posted by: reever
Beating ATI handily on one benchmark indicates "total" domination. It's more like "Total domination in B&W2"
Originally posted by: southpawuni
Rollo, you were 100% correct.
A few people around here owe you a big apology.