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FelixDeCat

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Washington to the rescue:

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Obama administration is considering requiring all cars and trucks sold in the U.S. to have brakes that can override gas pedals to prevent sudden acceleration problems like those that led to reports of deaths and the recall of millions of Toyotas, Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood told Congress on Tuesday. "We're looking at it," LaHood told the Senate Commerce Committee. "We think it is a good safety device." The panel's chairman suggested "strong legislative action" was needed, including brake overrides, which would require a relatively inexpensive software upgrade.
 

Eli

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Nebraska Senator Mike Johanns (R) says the US should look into banning Japanese car imports until all the safety issues have been worked out.

Johanns, who as USA Today notes used to be the Agriculture Secretary during the beef import ban, likened such a move to restricting tainted meat from foreign countries.

http://www.businessinsider.com/senat...imports-2010-3

Wow.. talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
 

HybridSquirrel

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Using microchips to replace something that your foot and one wire attached to the throttle has done reliably for over 100 years is just stupid.

We need to bring these scoundrels to justice.


They have been using the same drive-by-wire system since 2000 on camrys with no problems. This is most likely a bad batch. What ever happened to just shifting into neutral? Just because the accelerator doesn't work doesn't mean you can't shift into neutral and brake.
 

Ken g6

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The panel's chairman suggested "strong legislative action" was needed, including brake overrides, which would require a relatively inexpensive software upgrade.
Wrong! Don't have the failsafe for a software drive-by-wire system in software! It needs a hardware override.
 

Chunkee

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but they are giving huge incentives to regain your trust....LOL...

a whole 1500 bux and 0% on a 43000 tundra...woohooo...lets get three!!!

toyota is overpriced for what you get. their days of false claims of superiority are over. i am not saying the others are not the same, but their designs are boring, performance mediocre and reliability is not that great any more...they have pushed profits over everything else, just like the rest of them...cheapest POS plastic infested, loose fit and finish crap...i wish more people would band together as consumers, and not buy any fucking cars..margins are way too high, they use cheap crap parts and resale is a friggin joke...

the worst part is that most car dealers still act like it is a privilege to be on their lot, to wheedle and lie... bottom feeders. screw them all...just buy a car from someone else. your chances are just as good.

consumers...demand better and quit fucking buying shITE.
 

IGBT

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OOOHHHh what a feeling to haul arse down the road out of control looking for a guard rail to smak into.
 

SooperDave

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Wrong! Don't have the failsafe for a software drive-by-wire system in software! It needs a hardware override.

Agreed! The heavy equipment I work around has big red push buttons in all the key areas known as e-stops. Cuts power immediately in case of emergency. Motorcycles have kill switches along with the key ( some new bikes have keyless system now tho).
 

LTC8K6

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It needs a hardware override.

You already have several overrides. You've got neutral. You've got off. You've got brakes.

With the brake override, you'll have 4.

Why do we need a big clunky 5th one?
 

bob4432

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You already have several overrides. You've got neutral. You've got off. You've got brakes.

With the brake override, you'll have 4.

Why do we need a big clunky 5th one?

i wouldn't count off because you know somebody is going to turn it off too far and lock the steering wheel....
 

arcenite

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I've lost a bit of respect for Felix in this thread. For the record, my car has drive by wire and works flawlessly.
 

SooperDave

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They have been using the same drive-by-wire system since 2000 on camrys with no problems. This is most likely a bad batch. What ever happened to just shifting into neutral? Just because the accelerator doesn't work doesn't mean you can't shift into neutral and brake.

The transmission no longer have mechanical linkages. I have read a few times that these vehicles won't got to nuetral under acceleration. I don't know that for fact tho. If you had to hold the stop button for several seconds and the trans. wouldn't go to nuetral than I can understand why people panicked.
 

HybridSquirrel

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The transmission no longer have mechanical linkages. I have read a few times that these vehicles won't got to nuetral under acceleration. I don't know that for fact tho. If you had to hold the stop button for several seconds and the trans. wouldn't go to nuetral than I can understand why people panicked.

my mom has an 08 camry, and i can shift into neutral under acceleration. TBH I had problems with the accelerator in her car when I was baby sitting it over winter break, and all I had to do was shift to neutral and brake. I am a toyota fanboy and I am a little biased towards toyo, but the point is I just think this is a bad batch of drive-by-wire systems, and some people are blowing this way out of proportion. She got hers back from the dealer recall and hasn't had any problems since.
 

LTC8K6

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i wouldn't count off because you know somebody is going to turn it off too far and lock the steering wheel....

You can't since the advent of the brake/shifter interlock, iirc. If you have to step on the brake to shift out of park, then your car has the interlock.

Modern auto trans vehicles won't allow you to lock the steering wheel unless the shifter is in park. The key won't go to the lock position while the car is in gear.

Pushbutton start vehicles generally don't even have a steering wheel lock.
 

SooperDave

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my mom has an 08 camry, and i can shift into neutral under acceleration. TBH I had problems with the accelerator in her car when I was baby sitting it over winter break, and all I had to do was shift to neutral and brake. I am a toyota fanboy and I am a little biased towards toyo, but the point is I just think this is a bad batch of drive-by-wire systems, and some people are blowing this way out of proportion. She got hers back from the dealer recall and hasn't had any problems since.

So you can shift to nuetral. Good to know. Then I don't think a seperate kill is necessary but I'm sticking with an update that makes pushing the start/stop button several times rapidly an immediate kill.
 

natto fire

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The same argument has been posted for every major technological invention since, oh, maybe the wheel. Or maybe the hand-axe.

Gonna go ahead and quote this, because it should have been the end of this thread. I mean, whats the deal with this power steering, it adds complexity to a system that has worked unassisted for years, plus it takes away road feel. Don't get me started on these crazy electric starters, heavy unreliable junk when a handcrank is much lighter and more reliable.

I like how FelixDeKat's argument to the posts calling this what it is, sensationalism, are simply ignoring them. As another poster pointed out, most people probably never even knew what "FBW" throttle control was until it was lampooned in the news, and certainly didn't realize they had driven cars with the system.
 

HybridSquirrel

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So you can shift to nuetral. Good to know. Then I don't think a seperate kill is necessary but I'm sticking with an update that makes pushing the start/stop button several times rapidly an immediate kill.

i agree, pushing the start/stop a couple times should kill it....but people will be too busy freaking the fuck out to remember to do that...just like they forget to shift to neutral.
 

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i agree, pushing the start/stop a couple times should kill it....but people will be too busy freaking the fuck out to remember to do that...just like they forget to shift to neutral.

If people are too freaked out to hit the brakes then they should not drive. You don't need Neutral or kill the engine, braking under full throttle is only a little more difficult on a huge (450+ HP) engine. On an average 300HP car, it takes an extra couple of feet.
 

spidey07

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If people are too freaked out to hit the brakes then they should not drive. You don't need Neutral or kill the engine, braking under full throttle is only a little more difficult on a huge (450+ HP) engine. On an average 300HP car, it takes an extra couple of feet.

That brakes have been shown and proved to quickly fade to useless in a short period of time. You only get one, maybe two shots to stop the car and then your brakes are gone and completely non functioning.

If you've ever overheated your brakes it's pretty wild, almost zero stopping power.
 

HybridSquirrel

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If people are too freaked out to hit the brakes then they should not drive.

To me, it sounds like a lot of these people are forgetting to hit the brakes. Or not doing it when the realize something is fucked up till the last second.
 

MJinZ

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That brakes have been shown and proved to quickly fade to useless in a short period of time. You only get one, maybe two shots to stop the car and then your brakes are gone and completely non functioning.

If you've ever overheated your brakes it's pretty wild, almost zero stopping power.

Why do you need two shots? I have braked in emergencies before where my belt buckled and the ABS cranked to the max, and it is not only second nature but also seems retarded to fail to brake and then try again. It's retarded. It's retarded. It's retarded. Retarded people should not drive.
 

MJinZ

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To me, it sounds like a lot of these people are forgetting to hit the brakes. Or not doing it when the realize something is fucked up till the last second.

My heart skips a beat when there is a disconnect while I'm driving (IE: basically when my car is doing something other than what it should be, either due to my own miscalculation or sudden changes in environment).

Sorry if I can't understand people who don't drive properly.
 

spidey07

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To me, it sounds like a lot of these people are forgetting to hit the brakes. Or not doing it when the realize something is fucked up till the last second.

Many of the accidents/deaths the brakes were actually on fire from people trying to stop the car and the brakes were totally shot.
 
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