Toyota fixes arent working.

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Ken g6

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You already have several overrides. You've got neutral. You've got off. You've got brakes.

With the brake override, you'll have 4.

Why do we need a big clunky 5th one?
Ummm...you listed brakes twice.

Anyway, a lot of this is going drive-by-wire in software. Off can be a problem with push-buttons. (Which is why they should only go with keys or key-like switches, but that's a different issue.) I think transmissions are going drive-by-wire too. They'd more-or-less have to in most hybrid designs.

So a mechanical brake link that disengages the clutch and prevents the electric motor in hybrids from accelerating sounds like a good idea to me.
 

HybridSquirrel

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Many of the accidents/deaths the brakes were actually on fire from people trying to stop the car and the brakes were totally shot.

I hadn't heard or seen this, and i've been following this closely. The report I read was some family that died had the brakes in perfect condition and showed no signs of hard braking. Feel free to prove me wrong.
 

spidey07

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I hadn't heard or seen this, and i've been following this closely. The report I read was some family that died had the brakes in perfect condition and showed no signs of hard braking. Feel free to prove me wrong.

There are others as well. One of the ladies that was killed when she careened into a building rescuers found both of her feet wedged onto the brake pedal. Before she died she frantically told them she was pushing on the pedal with both feet.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...ving-luxury-Toyota-brand&template=fullarticle

And even though several witnesses said the car's brakes were on fire in the moments before the crash, another said it didn't have brake lights on.
 

Vette73

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I hadn't heard or seen this, and i've been following this closely. The report I read was some family that died had the brakes in perfect condition and showed no signs of hard braking. Feel free to prove me wrong.


That story, if we are thinking the same, is the OLD toyota where the guy is in jail. That, IMO, is not a toyota issue but him being a new US citizen and new driver.

The one spidey is talking about is probable the State tropper one. And yea his brakes were tore up. I don;t think there was even any rotor left. That IS on toyota, again IMO.
 

bob4432

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That is pretty god damn bad. Fucking cover ups.

fuck it, if this is the case w/ them keeping info, one of the large law firms that routinely goes after car companies should offer up a $100K for hackers to crack the toyota black boxes and then a possibly standard made effective. the old boxes would be giving data out in 6mos or less.
 

LTC8K6

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From my 08 Jeep owner's manual:

Event Data Recorder (EDR)
In the event of an accident, your vehicle is designed to
record up to 5-seconds of specific vehicle data parameters
(see the following list) in an event data recorder prior to
the moment of airbag deployment, or near deployment,
and up to a quarter second of high-speed deceleration
data during and/or after air bag deployment or near deployment.
EDR data are ONLY recorded if an airbag
deploys, or nearly deploys, and are otherwise unavailable.
NOTE:
² A near-deployment event occurs when the airbag
sensor detects severe vehicle deceleration usually indicative
of a crash, but not severe enough to warrant
airbag deployment.
² Under certain circumstances, EDR data may not be
recorded (e.g., loss of battery power).
In conjunction with other data gathered during a complete
accident investigation, the electronic data may be
used by DaimlerChrysler Corporation and others to learn
more about the possible causes of crashes and associated
injuries in order to assess and improve vehicle performance.
In addition to crash investigations initiated by
DaimlerChrysler Corporation, such investigations may
be requested by customers, insurance carriers, government
officials, and professional crash researchers, such as
those associated with universities, and with hospital and
insurance organizations.
In the event that an investigation is undertaken by
DaimlerChrysler Corporation (regardless of initiative),
the company or its designated representative will first
obtain permission of the appropriate custodial entity for
the vehicle (usually the vehicle owner or lessee) before
accessing the electronic data stored, unless ordered to
download data by a court with legal jurisdiction (i.e.,
pursuant to a warrant). A copy of the data will be
provided to the custodial entity upon request. General
data that does not identify particular vehicles or crashes
may be released for incorporation in aggregate crash
databases, such as those maintained by the US government
and various states. Data of a potentially sensitive
nature, such as would identify a particular driver, vehicle,
or crash, will be treated confidentially. Confidential
data will not be disclosed by DaimlerChrysler Corporation
to any third party except when:
1. Used for research purposes, such as to match data
with a particular crash record in an aggregate database,
provided confidentiality of personal data is thereafter
preserved
2. Used in defense of litigation involving a
DaimlerChrysler Corporation product
3. Requested by police under a legal warrant
4. Otherwise required by law
Data Parameters that May Be Recorded:
² Diagnostic trouble code(s) and warning lamp status
for electronically-controlled safety systems, including
the airbag system
² Airbag disable lamp status (if equipped)
² Time of airbag deployment (in terms of ignition
cycles and vehicle mileage)
² Airbag deployment level (if applicable)
² Impact acceleration and angle
² Seat belt status
² Brake status (service and parking brakes)
² Accelerator status (including vehicle speed)
² Engine control status (including engine speed)
² Transmission gear selection
² Cruise control status
² Traction/stability control status
² Tire pressure monitoring system status
 

spidey07

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fuck it, if this is the case w/ them keeping info, one of the large law firms that routinely goes after car companies should offer up a $100K for hackers to crack the toyota black boxes and then a possibly standard made effective. the old boxes would be giving data out in 6mos or less.

Yeah, damn that privacy thing. Toyota is the only one that encrypts their stuff and I'm glad they do otherwise it WILL be used against you if the lawyers get ahold of it.
 

bob4432

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Yeah, damn that privacy thing. Toyota is the only one that encrypts their stuff and I'm glad they do otherwise it WILL be used against you if the lawyers get ahold of it.

well, the report claimed that toyota would give leo and/or court the data on you or so you don't have to worry, yo will still be sued. just looks like they are just not giving the data that incriminates them - example - leave out the data for brake activity and just say "we don't monitor that device" because possibly somebody did in fact have their feet on the brake as they accelerated into a crowd, etc. if they never gave any data that is one thing, but is not the case. selective data reporting to cover their ass...
 

DivideBYZero

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Why do you support the idea? I think why upset the apple cart, when proven technology works? There is nothing to gain but some future automaker pulling the same stunt. If 10 years from now its the industry standard and it NEVER happens again (thus I wont be stuck with a car with NO resale value), Ill take it back. But Im rather skeptical of them reinventing the wheel for no apparent reason.

Why the fuck are you even using a car when a Horse could serve your personal transport needs? Horses are proven technology.


 

FelixDeCat

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Why the fuck are you even using a car when a Horse could serve your personal transport needs? Horses are proven technology.




You want me to ride you? Apparently you are an ass.

And this, folks, is what we call "instigating".

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DivideBYZero

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You want me to ride you? Apparently you are an ass.
I thought you only rode dicks?

And this, folks, is responding to instigation rather than leaving well enough alone.

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FelixDeCat

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Good luck with that. You attacked me by calling me an ass first, I simply asked you a question. :awe:

You suggested I ride a horse, I suggested I ride you because you were acting like a jackass (which looking at your pattern of responding to others using the f bomb frequently and being rude to everyone was right on the money).

Out of left field you felt compelled to suggest that "I ride dicks". That was uncalled for.

You need to learn how to be more polite to people. In the meantime you are on ignore on July 4th, 2010.
 

PlasmaBomb

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Why do you support the idea? I think why upset the apple cart, when proven technology works? There is nothing to gain but some future automaker pulling the same stunt. If 10 years from now its the industry standard and it NEVER happens again (thus I wont be stuck with a car with NO resale value), Ill take it back. But Im rather skeptical of them reinventing the wheel for no apparent reason.

Your premise that there is nothing to gain is incorrect.
 
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You suggested I ride a horse, I suggested I ride you because you were acting like a jackass (which looking at your pattern of responding to others using the f bomb frequently and being rude to everyone was right on the money).

Out of left field you felt compelled to suggest that "I ride dicks". That was uncalled for.

You need to learn how to be more polite to people. In the meantime you are on ignore on July 4th, 2010.

WTF? You're the one that started it. Uncalled for? And your ass comment wasn't? If you can't take shit, then don't dish it out.
 
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