[TPU] 1080 TI specs leaks

[jpiniero]

My bet is the leak with DDR5 was intentional to lower expectations. Then when they release the actual card with DDR5X, people will flip the hell out and start shipping their money to Nvidia on large pallets.

It's possible nVidia waits until AMD releases consumer Vega to make up their mind about the actual specs. Or if they will even release one at all.

 

[frozentundra123456]

can we keep this restricted to actual 1080 ti speculation/spec leaks please?

In this forum? Are you kidding?? Actually all this complaining about price, and die size, and whether a card is really high end is missing the point. Both the 480 and the 1060, and to a lesser extent the 1070/1080 offer improved performance per dollar over similarly priced cards (at release) from the previous generation.

 

[frozentundra123456]

How much of a performance increase is there between a 2600K and a 6700K and what is the performance delta between the GTX 560 and the GTX 1070?

You can also play today's games just fine with a 2600K, but a 560 is unusable today.

Exactly. I dont remember how long ago it was, but in the range of 5 or 6 years ago, I bought a 512 mb 9800GT for around a hundred dollars (or thereabout). Now a hundred dollars or a bit more will buy an RX 460 or on sale gtx 950. I dont really feel like digging up data for the 9800gt, but off the top of my head, I would say either of the new cards is at least 3x as fast, and for all the vram lovers, the 950 and even the cheapest 460 have 4x the vram.

 

[nurturedhate]

Exactly. I dont remember how long ago it was, but in the range of 5 or 6 years ago, I bought a 512 mb 9800GT for around a hundred dollars (or thereabout). Now a hundred dollars or a bit more will buy an RX 460 or on sale gtx 950. I dont really feel like digging up data for the 9800gt, but off the top of my head, I would say either of the new cards is at least 3x as fast, and for all the vram lovers, the 950 and even the cheapest 460 have 4x the vram.

You want to compare buying an at the time 3 generation old 9800gt in roughly 2011 to buying a brand new current generation 460? We might as well start talking about buying a 580 today because it is the same exact thing you just stated.

 

[Grooveriding]

No surprise. Why wasn't everyone expecting to see this card a few months after Pascal Titan X released ? I remember seeing some conversations here from buyers/ posters of TXP thinking they wouldn't do this... Nvidia has followed this same pattern for 3 generations now.

Interesting about the GDDR5, another cash grab by nvidia. A card more expensive than 1080 will not have the same quality of memory. I guess we'll have to wait for benches to see if the reduced memory bandwidth actually matters for performance, or if it's not really of any use for GP102.

I'm expecting the card to cost $849 and $1000 for FE (lol). Full chip Titan X Black out in another 6 months for $1500 ?

 

[RaistlinZ]

What a letdown. Guess I'll be holding onto my 980 Ti into 2017.

 

[moonbogg]

What a letdown. Guess I'll be holding onto my 980 Ti into 2017.

Me too. I'm fine with it. I can see myself becoming someone who simply buys a generation behind or something like that or just going mid range. You can buy two 1070's in SLI and they will be faster than a Titan x in SLI supported games, and it will cost you about 2/3 the price. Its a shame because I'm trying to think of a way to buy two high end cards like I always have and not spend ridiculous money, but Nvidia has made that impossible. I just won't do it anymore at these new prices. I will tend to hang on to my cards a lot longer with these prices or simply buy 1070 class cards, which is honestly plenty good enough anyway.
Right now you can get 980ti SLI for what, around $600? That's not a bad option really and when OC'd its still faster than a Titan X and for half the cost. I might just start buying used cards and let you guys absorb the insane Nvidia tax for me. Used cards are pretty much new anyway these days. People junked their 1080's before they hardly had a chance to install them.

Dude, late next year you will probably find 1080ti's and Titan X's going for $350-400. Volta will make them look absolutely ridiculous.

 

[showb1z]

Starting to think some people here would even argue it would make perfect sense for Nvidia to charge $20,000 for their cards. Just look at the performance increase and the new experiences these enable compared to their older cards!
Mind-boggling how any hardware enthusiast could reason like this.

 

[ultima_trev]

I see several points points being brought up, mostly:

1. Price/Performance ratio versus previous generations (or versus GTX 1080 vanilla)
2. Memory Bandwidth is too gimped vs GTX Titan X 2016

I do hate nVidia, almost as much as Apple, but I do realize their products have their place and perform quite well in whatever role. That being said, while I myself couldn't justify spending $800-900+ for what the GTX 1080 Ti will likely cost, I am not everyone and some are willing to pay another couple hundred for piece of mind. I'm sure, if it actually does "only" have a 20% bandwidth increase over GTX 1080 vanilla as according to the rumors, 20% is nothing to scoff at. How bandwidth starved is GTX 1080 vanilla at 1080P / 1440P? Not much, if any.

Either way, the GTX 1080 vanilla is a great 1080P / 1440P card and GTX 1080 Ti will be a slightly better 1080P / 1440P card if you are able to pay the premium. I'm also certain 1080 Ti will be close enough to Titan X 2016 performance to obsolete it despite the 25% bandwidth deficiency in pretty much all scenarios short of 4K gaming.

 

[mohit9206]

Haha what an awful post. No one is arguing they deserve a new Titan XP for $1.

But i want Titan XP for $1.It will be $2 after taxes in my country but that's ok.
I'll also have to buy a new PSU and case so we are talking about almost $100 here.

 

[guskline]

Even though Nvidia is the MASTER of marketing, why would anyone believe a spec of GDD5 instead of GDDR5X when the Titan X Pascal is GDDR5X AND the GTX 1080 is GDDR5X and this card is a step UP from the GTX 1080 (sorry for shouting)?

Seriously?

Nvidia is lot more intelligent than that.

BTW, even though I own two high end Nvidia rigs (GTX 1080 and GTX 980TI see below) and have been extremely pleased with their performance, my most recent experience with the AMD Polaris gpus, RX 480 in my 6700k build listed below and my most recently build of a RX460/6700k combo for my daughter and son-in-law has given me renewed faith that AMD is back in the game, at least in the lower to mid range with Nvidia.

I think and hope Vega will be a respectable new foray into the upper end, now ruled by Nvidia.

 

[antihelten]

Even though Nvidia is the MASTER of marketing, why would anyone believe a spec of GDD5 instead of GDDR5X when the Titan X Pascal is GDDR5X AND the GTX 1080 is GDDR5X and this card is a step UP from the GTX 1080 (sorry for shouting)?

Seriously?

Nvidia is lot more intelligent than that.

In some ways I cant help but think that the GDDR5 spec actually makes the leak more trustworthy.

If this was fake or just simple wish listing, then the person who made it would almost certainly have put GDDR5X in there, since that's what the 1080 and the Titan X has.

And as others have already pointed out, the bandwidth with GDDR5 would appear to line up just fine with the shader performance of the 1080 Ti (both roughly 20% higher than the 1080).

 

[Thinker_145]

So the 1080Ti max OC is unlikely to kill a Titan XP. That means the 1080Ti would relatively be the most disappointing Pascal card in terms of generational leap.

Sent from my HTC One M9

 

[zinfamous]

it's actually pretty brilliant, wish I'd predicted this. This way, NV can advertise 12GB of VRAM, it can advertise more memory bandwidth than on GTX 1080, but the Titan X has a nice point of differentiation and it is cheaper to produce (GDDR5X is likely much more expensive, especially since only Micron is making it atm, while there are tons of GDDR5 suppliers).

That's like advertising more MP is somehow better than a larger, physical CMOS. marketing 101 and as a tech geek, you should understand that this is rather shameful from a quality perspective, as more MP on the same-sized CMOS makes for individually crappier megapixels (to use a technical term).

 

[Arachnotronic]

That's like advertising more MP is somehow better than a larger, physical CMOS. marketing 101 and as a tech geek, you should understand that this is rather shameful from a quality perspective, as more MP on the same-sized CMOS makes for individually crappier megapixels (to use a technical term).

lol, I bought the Titan X and frankly it would have been a slap to my face if they didn't cut the 1080 Ti down in a way that makes the Titan X superior. I bought a pair of the GTX Titan X (Maxwell) and made sure to dump them for a pair of 980 Tis once I saw that the 980 Ti was actually better.

 

[antihelten]

lol, I bought the Titan X and frankly it would have been a slap to my face if they didn't cut the 1080 Ti down in a way that makes the Titan X superior.

True, but slapping Titan owners in the face is kinda par for the course from Nvidia.

 

[zinfamous]

lol, I bought the Titan X and frankly it would have been a slap to my face if they didn't cut the 1080 Ti down in a way that makes the Titan X superior. I bought a pair of the GTX Titan X (Maxwell) and made sure to dump them for a pair of 980 Tis once I saw that the 980 Ti was actually better.

Be honest, you still would continue to buy 100% nVidia for now and forever. Them "not slapping the consumer in the face" with such a proper release is the kind of argument against nVidia and their brilliance that you guys never make.


...anyway, this is a TPU "leak" so who knows what this will be, right? IIRC, there is still no official release plan that a 1080 ti will exist, right? It's reasonable to confidently assume it will, of course, but it is still an unknown.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Be honest, you still would continue to buy 100% nVidia for now and forever. Them "not slapping the consumer in the face" with such a proper release is the kind of argument against nVidia and their brilliance that you guys never make.

I buy the best stuff on the market. Lately that's been NVIDIA and my G-Sync monitors will serve as a "tie breaker" in situations too close to call. But if AMD were to put out a substantially better GPU than NVIDIA, I would switch over without any hesitation.

Anyway this discussion is only for my main system anyway. I buy cards with both AMD and NVIDIA GPUs for evaluation purposes -- I was an owner of an RX 480 on day 1, for example.

 

[Arachnotronic]

True, but slapping Titan owners in the face is kinda par for the course from Nvidia.

If they keep doing it, some people still stop buying them in anticipation of the "Ti." That's a bad way to run a business.

 

[antihelten]

If they keep doing it, some people still stop buying them in anticipation of the "Ti." That's a bad way to run a business.

I suspect that plenty of people have in fact already stopped buying them, and have instead elected to wait for the Ti version. Of course we will never know if this is indeed the case, since Nvidia doesn't report sales for individual cards.

 

[railven]

I suspect that plenty of people have in fact already stopped buying them, and have instead elected to wait for the Ti version. Of course we will never know if this is indeed the case, since Nvidia doesn't report sales for individual cards.

At the rate that some cards come in and out of stock, there is still strong demand for the GTX 1080.

I'd wager more likely the folks who buy a GTX 1080 Ti already have a GTX 1080 and will dump it if it's worth the upgrade, or like me if I can Step-Up to it.

 

[antihelten]

At the rate that some cards come in and out of stock, there is still strong demand for the GTX 1080.

I'd wager more likely the folks who buy a GTX 1080 Ti already have a GTX 1080 and will dump it if it's worth the upgrade, or like me if I can Step-Up to it.

We're not talking about demand for the 1080 here though, we're talking about demand for the Titan X.

 

[Head1985]

So the 1080Ti max OC is unlikely to kill a Titan XP. That means the 1080Ti would relatively be the most disappointing Pascal card in terms of generational leap.

Sent from my HTC One M9

What?3328SP is only 7% less than 3584 on TITANXP.It will be 10-20% faster than stock TITAXP after oc or aftermarket cards at 1900Mhz vs 1600Mhz TITANXP.

Worst pascal card is 1070 with 33% less SP and 25% less bandwidth than 1080.

 

[Thinker_145]

What?3328SP is only 7% less than 3584 on TITANXP.It will be 10-20% faster than stock TITAXP after oc or aftermarket cards at 1900Mhz vs 1600Mhz TITANXP.

Worst pascal card is 1070 with 33% less SP and 25% less bandwidth than 1080.

Omg it's you again with your whining? All the Pascal cards have less OC headroom than the 980Ti. Overclocking was the big reason why the 980Ti is so legendary and left the Titan X in the dust.

Max OC 1070 is 65% faster than max OC 970 plus a VRAM difference which will actually matter in the near future.

A max OC Titan XP is only 45% faster than max OC 980Ti so ya the 1080Ti has a pretty tall order here not to be the worst performance jump with a VRAM difference unlikely to matter in the near future.

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[Jackie60]

Omg it's you again with your whining? All the Pascal cards have less OC headroom than the 980Ti. Overclocking was the big reason why the 980Ti is so legendary and left the Titan X in the dust.

Max OC 1070 is 65% faster than max OC 970 plus a VRAM difference which will actually matter in the near future.

A max OC Titan XP is only 45% faster than max OC 980Ti so ya the 1080Ti has a pretty tall order here not to be the worst performance jump with a VRAM difference unlikely to matter in the near future.

Sent from my HTC One M9

Well I just got a pair of Titan XPs and I can say that I think anecdotally they're a bit quicker than 45% faster than my 980tis. I hate Nvidia BUT unless and until AMD can pull their underfunded finger out Nvidia are the only game in town. Playing at 4K everything maxed now feels like 1920/1200 did with 295x2 quadfire BUT in Arma 3 object draw distance 4000M and general view distance 6500 is smooth 55-60fps in multiplayer (60 people).

What I can't understand is how much better the same games at the supposedly same settings look with SLI Titan XP vs SLI 980ti. StarWars BF and Arma 3 both look noticeably better on the exact same settings as well as playing way snappier.
I'm glad Nvidia may gimp the 1080ti but only because it makes me feel less silly having way overspent on the Titan XPs. Reminds me of when I got my second Voodoo2 and couldn't quite believe how good everything looked on screen!