[TPU] 1080 TI specs leaks

[Thinker_145]

Well I just got a pair of Titan XPs and I can say that I think anecdotally they're a bit quicker than 45% faster than my 980tis. I hate Nvidia BUT unless and until AMD can pull their underfunded finger out Nvidia are the only game in town. Playing at 4K everything maxed now feels like 1920/1200 did with 295x2 quadfire BUT in Arma 3 object draw distance 4000M and general view distance 6500 is smooth 55-60fps in multiplayer (60 people).

What I can't understand is how much better the same games at the supposedly same settings look with SLI Titan XP vs SLI 980ti. StarWars BF and Arma 3 both look noticeably better on the exact same settings as well as playing way snappier.
I'm glad Nvidia may gimp the 1080ti but only because it makes me feel less silly having way overspent on the Titan XPs. Reminds me of when I got my second Voodoo2 and couldn't quite believe how good everything looked on screen!

My numbers were for 1440p. They are likely to be a bit more at 4K but roughly we can give a 50% performance boost to the XP in non VRAM bottlenecked scenarios not more than that.

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[Grooveriding]

Pascal Titan X is just like GM200 was; it overclocks very well over the stock speeds, generally 25%-30% can be achieved. This is the same thing we saw with Maxwell comparing 980 to 980ti/TX. The 1080, like the 980, is a mid range card shipped clocked near its limits, about 10% of headroom is left in the cards. The Pascal Titan X has a lot more headroom left because they want to ship the card with a certain TDP labeled on it, but you're free to generally get about a 2ghz overclock out of it and just chew up some more power.

Barring the reduced memory bandwidth having any impact on 1080ti, I expect it will play out just like the 980ti vs Maxwell TX. The card will review about 5% slower than a Pascal Titan X but overclock better because of a more refined process, less cores chewing up power and AIB versions of the card. In the end winding up faster than the more expensive Pascal Titan X with overclocking accounted for. This is how the sell these cards, people go ape because it's suddenly the performance of a $1200 card in a card priced for hundreds less.

 

[Head1985]

Omg it's you again with your whining? All the Pascal cards have less OC headroom than the 980Ti. Overclocking was the big reason why the 980Ti is so legendary and left the Titan X in the dust.

Max OC 1070 is 65% faster than max OC 970 plus a VRAM difference which will actually matter in the near future.

A max OC Titan XP is only 45% faster than max OC 980Ti so ya the 1080Ti has a pretty tall order here not to be the worst performance jump with a VRAM difference unlikely to matter in the near future.

yeah TITANXP running at 1600-1700mhz and is still 72% faster than 980TI.Thinker_145 you really dont know what you are talking about.Btw 1070 vs 970 is only 60% faster there.1080 vs 980 is 68% faster.And no Max oc 1070 is not 65% faster than max oc 970.I have both cards and it is 50-60% average depend on game.

 

[Thinker_145]

yeah TITANXP running at 1600-1700mhz and is still 72% faster than 980TI.Thinker_145 you really dont know what you are talking about.Btw 1070 vs 970 is only 60% faster there.1080 vs 980 is 68% faster.And no Max oc 1070 is not 65% faster than max oc 970.I have both cards and it is 50-60% average depend on game.

72% faster yes but max OC AIB 980Ti cards gain 35% over the reference numbers which will take it well past the 1070 in the graph. The Titan stock is 50% faster than 1070 stock with both having roughly the same OC headroom. Max OC 1070 is pretty much the same as max OC 980Ti so hence I came with the 50% number.

I haven't looked into the Titan XP overclocking I just assumed it's only average so excuse me if I am wrong on that.

And doesn't matter what you have. You haven't done tests which are more scientific than TPU lol.

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[Maverick177]

72% faster yes but max OC AIB 980Ti cards gain 35% over the reference numbers. I haven't looked into the Titan XP overclocking I just assumed it's only average so excuse me if I am wrong on that.

And doesn't matter what you have. You haven't done tests which are more scientific than TPU lol.

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Again, no OC AIB 980Ti is 35% faster than reference 980Ti. Stop spreading fuds.

 

[Thinker_145]

Again, no OC AIB 980Ti is 35% faster than reference 980Ti. Stop spreading fuds.

Be my guest.

And 22% faster "stock" performance.

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[Maverick177]

This has been debated too many times already, I won't delve into this kind of mess. The point is this:

 

[Thinker_145]

This has been debated too many times already, I won't delve into this kind of mess. The point is this:

What does this prove?

We were talking about generational leaps and of course we are going to use the best cards released for comparison.

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[moonbogg]

Those charts show Titan XP about 40% faster than 980ti/TitanX, unless I missed something. For the cost of a Titan XP, NVidia should at least include a "free" custom aluminum gamer tag wall sign.

 

[Hi-Fi Man]

This has already been discussed at overclockersclub. 1070 and Titan X have around equal performance after OC.

 

[alcoholbob]

Put a hybrid cooler on though, and you can get the Titan X to run 2050-2.1GHz stable, so once we have max OC vs max OC comparisons (true apples to apples), the Titan XP stretches its legs back to about 70% faster than a 980 Ti Max OC.

 

[OatisCampbell]

So customers paying $800 don't deserve best tech but customers paying less (Vanilla 1080) do. WOW



And it shows tech advancement, a great selling point as it should be. It's a card that despite it's limitations, trades blows with GTX 1070 in some DX12 titles.


Quote from another thread... seems that Nvidia will do anything to milk it's way into uninformed people's pockets. Again, why pay $800 in 2016 for a GDRR5 video card???

Personally I think $800 is optimistic for this card if AMD has no competition for it at launch.

With 1080 AIB/FE launching and holding at $600/$700, you really think you'll get TitanP performance for $800 when they cost $1200?

More like 1080Ti AIB/FE $900/$999.

This is the result of total monopoly at the high end. (and no, competition at mid range in DX12 only counts for nothing in this discussion)

As far as RAM type goes, I've never understood this argument. Whether its GDDR vs GDDRX vs HBM, or the old RDRAM vs DDR, if the part has the bandwidth to work in 99.9% of situations consumers won't care. The makers of the costlier tech putting together contrived, "Well, look! In app X and setting Y we get Z% more performance, you need that!" won't matter to the public.

For most people the number of GB on the box label means more than the flavor or RAM.

Won't be buying a $900 Ti, hope Vega brings the goods at a price that is somewhat sane.

Otherwise, my crystal ball sees a Scorpio in my future and a PC gathering dust in the corner like Tiny Tim's crutch.

 

[happy medium]

"the best tech", really?

I don't care if they use DDR2 memory on the 1080ti, the performance is what counts.
if its under 250 watts they will sell like hotcakes.

It should be priced at 850$.
If it were me, I'd price it at 950$ and sell every one of them for more profit.

 

[Arachnotronic]

"the best tech", really?

I don't care if they use DDR2 memory on the 1080ti, the performance is what counts.
if its under 250 watts they will sell like hotcakes.

It should be priced at 850$.
If it were me, I'd price it at 950$ and sell every one of them for more profit.

happy medium, you should know what's going on by now

 

[Aristotelian]

This has already been discussed at overclockersclub. 1070 and Titan X have around equal performance after OC.

That review does not seem to support that premise at higher resolutions with overclocking. Look here: http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/nvidia_geforcegtx_1070_overclocking/2.htm

Why is the performance of a Titan X (not pascal) vs a 1070 relevant in a 1080 speculation thread?

 

[IllogicalGlory]

This has been debated too many times already, I won't delve into this kind of mess. The point is this:

That chart doesn't tell the whole story. It's the thermal and power constraints that hamstring the reference 980 Ti and Titan X. Even though the clock speeds on the reference 980 Ti look impressive, the truth is, it only gains 9.4% performance total without increasing thermal and power limits. Aftermarket 980 Tis out of the box are 20% faster than the reference and when overclocked, match or approach 30%.

You can see TPU illustrate this in their reviews for both Titan Xs. For the Titan X Maxwell, adjusting clock speed sliders provided 4.1% extra performance, for the Titan XP, it was 7.9%. However, with the thermal and power limits increased, but the sliders untouched relative to the above situation, the boost jumps to 11.8% and 19.3% respectively. A huge increase! With proper cooling solutions and more robust designs, we see those increases improve even more, much more in fact, in the case of GM200. We'll see the same thing with GP100.

 

[Fire&Blood]

My 4-core CPU handicapped the overall Timespy benchmark results but my two 980ti's score 12K on the graphics segment: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/14930947

Single Pascal Titan scores 9K: http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/nvidia-geforce-titan-x-pascal-review,26.html

Grooveriding already explained it well. Make up a new uber category of $1000+ GPU's, launch it and let the crowd simmer, after a while, offer them basically the same thing at a slightly less insane price (but still off the performance/price charts) and they'll go for it.

I paid $700 for my 980 TI SLI setup, it now goes for $600, nearly half the Titan XP cost but still beating it's performance. Even the 1080ti won't dip lower and the 1070 SLI option still sits at $800.

If 4K/60Hz is the target here, no single card get's it quite done, 1080ti will get close.
The next x80 card should be one to finally get it done, at that point 4K/60Hz+ will be a thing with DP 1.3 &1.4.

I expect it to be similar deal as between TX and 980TI, performance within 5% but I am not so sure another TI will be priced at $649, not with the 1080FE's pricing. I'm expecting Nvidia to put the 1080ti at $749 because they can.

 

[sxr7171]

Every Titan is underspeced. Seems like a marketing thing to help sell the ti.

But also IMHO every Titan needs a water cooler to reach its potential. GP100 is different from GM200 in that we had BIOS editing available in the GM200. That last degree of performance is exposed only with BIOS mods. Many people have TXP under water and some have tested under LN. That power limit is locked in very hard this time. In fact somebody just showed how it throttles between 34C and 35C. It's pretty ridiculous.

If you are in the market for a TXP then you must consider the very likely possibility that today's watercooled levels (2050-2100MHz) are all you will get.

On the other hand IMHO every titan discussion should have it at its clock that it reaches with water cooling. Or even high fan profile. It's just how they are typically used.

 

[Headfoot]

happy medium, you should know what's going on by now

Enthusiast buyers want the best (or at least something which is in line with prior enthusiast "2nd tier" chips), not something with glaring compromises on day 1?

 

[Mondozei]

Enthusiast buyers want the best (or at least something which is in line with prior enthusiast "2nd tier" chips), not something with glaring compromises on day 1?

Previous X80 Ti GPUs have not had any "glaring compromises". It remains to be seen if the next one will. In fact, all previous Titan GPUs before Pascals have been terrible buys. Obsolete within months. One can justify it by saying they really needed that 12 GB. But in reality they didn't.

 

[moonbogg]

1080ti has to be twice as fast as 980ti and cost $500 or no buy. I'm applying Zen mentality to this release, and sticking to it. I see myself holding out until Volta unless something interesting happens with Pascal. Interesting as in not costing an arm and a leg. The pricing is so funny Nvidia should start a comedy show or something.

 

[crisium]

While you are being moonbogg, 780 Ti was basically exactly twice as fast as a 580 at launch. But of course 780 Ti was the full chip, and $700 not $500.

I think a 3840 core GP102 could get 100% faster than a 980 Ti at 3440x1440 - the cut Titan XP isn't that far off. If 1080 Ti is cut further than TXP then forget it though.

 

[moonbogg]

I get the whole monopoly thing, but isn't it a little funny when Nvidia tells themselves, "ZOMG its just us left now. Lets charge a BILLION DOLLARS for the mid range and a life of hard labor for the high end!"
I mean, there is a point at which people just won't be able to afford these things. For crying out loud, isn't $1,200 already there? A single GPU costing $1,200? Really guys? You guys bought that. You straight up bought that thing, lol. Throw away product. Lasts 12 months until it becomes a joke, and you guys bought it. Holy cow.

 

[Headfoot]

Previous X80 Ti GPUs have not had any "glaring compromises". It remains to be seen if the next one will. In fact, all previous Titan GPUs before Pascals have been terrible buys. Obsolete within months. One can justify it by saying they really needed that 12 GB. But in reality they didn't.

Right, exactly. If this one shipped with GDDR5 and not GDDR5X it would be the first $500+ 2nd from the top chip with a massive compromise built in right off the bat. It was fine when thats what they did on the 4870 -> 4850 because those were cheap. It's even still fine on the 1080 -> 1070. At $700+ its completely unacceptable. I'm not paying $700 for a GPU and getting GDDR5 because nVidia wanted to save a few tens of dollars. At $700+ for a single card I expect pretty much the best of the best, with it being a little cut down just to save the top slot for Titan

It's like when Apple wants to charge you hundreds to move up how much storage is in the phone. It's offensive because its so wildly detached from reality and how much that extra storage actually costs. GDDR5X costs more than GDDR5, sure. It doesn't cost hundreds of dollars more per card (e.g. the cost differential between Titan and x80 Ti)

 

[jpiniero]

Again, It's probably not about the cost savings, it's about ensuring the Titan XP is undeinably better.